Is this enough to grant immunity to soul manipulation?

[AstraphelNoctis4]

So, could this be enough to grant immunity to soul manipulation?
Basically,
Souls are crystallized energy surrounding information, which in turn surrounds the core (the core being accepted as a Type 1 conceptual and Type 2 information).

Resurrecting the dead…

Ever since the incident with Shion’s death, Raphael-san had been analyzing people’s souls. So far, things had been going well, and we had almost figured out the laws and principles behind it. This applied not only to humans, but also to monsters, whose souls could be quantified. It was a matter of pieces called “Information Particles.” As long as one could control this, they could, in a sense, control life and death.

Disregarding the quality of animals’ and plants’ souls, whose quantities were fairly low, humans, on the other hand, possessed souls that contained immense power.

I made sure that everyone here would be given an equal proportion. And depending on whether a person could utilize the energy that was their soul well, it could lead to them discovering their soul’s power—power comparable to skills.

The information embedded in one’s soul was the source of one’s strength. If that was the case, was it possible to directly imbue information into energy? Well, that was unlikely.

First of all, there would be plenty of “selves” that existed on different wavelengths, and the combined entity of Information Particles would encapsulate them—thus forming a core that included all of the information.


The crystallization of the energy that encapsulated one’s core would be their “soul.” The Emulated Soul, for example, was developed to be used as the container for such a core. The core projected into an Emulated Soul contained no energy, but it possessed “selves.” A soul without power could not perform any skills, yet it could act as long as the “self” was present.




As for the operation to revive Calgurio and his comrades, I used replacements for souls—Emulated Souls. By taking their souls and separating them from their cores, I could preserve the bare minimum of energy needed for them to be transferred into Emulated Souls.

…

Even though I had been unsure about the success rate, it was a relief that it worked in the end. However, this resurrection was not perfect.

Firstly, all of them would be drastically weakened, since their souls’ power had been taken by me—that was certain. Since I had robbed their souls clean, there was really no point in returning them. Honestly, I didn’t think they had the right to complain either. As a result, they would not be able to use their skills in the future.

Even if their cores were imbued with the information of skills, they could not use them without the power of their souls. They would also have no chance to learn or use those skills in the future. It would also impact their ability to use magic, which they would need to work on separately.

From the scans above, we know that a soul is crystallized energy that surrounds the core.


Now, Pseudo Souls (擬似魂, gijikon, literally “fake souls”) or Emulated Souls are basically devices that function as containers for the core, serving as replacements for a real or original soul. However, unlike real souls, pseudo souls are essentially just orbs rather than crystallizations of energy.

Unlike Beretta, who doesn’t possess a body in the physical world, Treyni-san has one. That’s why, in order for her to possess a new body, I need to transfer the core of her current body to the new one.

With a new core, that part is already covered.

I am able to produce a “Holy Magic Core” under special conditions and with the necessary ingredients. The orb I just took out is the vessel for the “Holy Magic Core.”

To explain this, it is like extracting the magicule stone from a monster and removing the magicules within it. It is very difficult to turn it into one without any attribute; I failed several times before succeeding. I also spent the previous day collecting the necessary ingredients to create this vessel.

So my question is , does possessing a pseudo soul in exchange for one’s original soul would be enough to grant immunity to soul manipulation, since it is not actually a soul but a device that replaces the soul’s function?

Or is this not sufficient?

 

[MrTayman616]

No, i don't think so. What it could resist is just based on the opponent's ability imo. Like can he manipulate soul entirely or has soul manipulation cuz he manipulates a part of it type of thing

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

No, i don't think so. What it could resist is just based on the opponent's ability imo. Like can he manipulate soul entirely or has soul manipulation cuz he manipulates a part of it type of thing

Can you explain this to me? I don’t quite understand what you mean by “part” , since th3 entirely of the soul itself is defined as the energy surrounding the core.

Edit : never expected to get a reply that fast imao

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

In order for a character to have immunity to an ability, they must completely lack the aspect of said ability. For example, a rock has immunity to mind and soul manipulation because it fundamentally does not possess either. I didn't give the OP a comprehensive look, but assuming the psuedo soul is a fundamentally different thing from a normal soul, even if it functions similarly it should be able to grant immunity to conventional soul hax.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

In order for a character to have immunity to an ability, they must completely lack the aspect of said ability. For example, a rock has immunity to mind and soul manipulation because it fundamentally does not possess either. I didn't give the OP a comprehensive look, but assuming the psuedo soul is a fundamentally different thing from a normal soul, even if it functions similarly it should be able to grant immunity to conventional soul hax.

Thanks. Also, in the newest volume, Veldanava (basically the god of the verse) completely steals Rimuru’s soul, after which Rimuru begins using a pseudo-soul. Veldanava calls Rimuru a soulless, autonomous being because he was unable to sense a soul within Rimuru.

Rimuru said that he has a soul, albeit a fake one, but later he again states that he doesn’t have a soul .

This is just a question not content revision, so I’m not sure whether relying on MTL is acceptable. To be safe, I do have the raw tex, since @MrTayman616 has commented here as well, I think he could confirm it If he’s willing or interested ( not forcing ypu mrTayman , so chill.!

こじつけだけど、俺が納得しているのだから問題ないのだ。

『やれやれ』

『それは俺が言いたいよ！』

　ヴェルダナーヴァが無造作に放った剣撃を、俺も軽く受け止める。

交差する剣を伝わって『魂魄破壊』の干渉波が流れ込んできた。しかし、俺には影響ない。

『──!?』

『〝魂〟のない自動人形なんだろ？　効くかよ、そんな[攻撃][もん]！』

　コイツ、散々自分で言っておいて、俺が〝魂〟のない自動人形なのかどうか疑わしくなってやがった。

　ないわけねーだろ、バカ野郎。

疑似的な代物だが、ちゃんとあるっての。

　だが、それは俺が作成したオモチャなので、ヴェルダナーヴァには探し出せなかったみたいだな。

　というか、そんな代物で代用出来るハズがないと、かえって混乱している様子である。

　それを見て、俺はラッキーだと思った。

　何しろ、今の俺には〝魂〟がない。

　それが意味するのは、大半の権能が使えないという事なのだ。

　まあ、俺にとっては大した意味はない。

　どっちにしてもシエルさんがいないので、使えたとしても俺では使いこなせなかっただろうしな。

　なので、そこはもう気にしていなかった。

大事なのは、今の俺に何が出来るのか、だ。

　先ず、さっき試したみたいに、スライムとしての[能力][スキル]は余裕で使える。

固有能力『万能感知・竜霊覇気・万能変化』なんかは、自然と扱えていた。

俺の守りは生きているので、何もせずとも『多次元結界』は万全みたいだ。

　時間が止まっても動けているので、意識せずとも『時空間支配』は行えているっぽいね。

普段から普通に扱っていた『捕食』とか、スキルとか関係なく扱えるのだ。

　これから派生して『魂暴喰』もいけるし、これもよく使う『胃袋』から派生した『虚数空間』だって、意のままに扱えていた。

ベニマルの治療にも、この『虚数空間』に溜め込まれているエネルギーを『虚無崩壊』で転用している。見よう見真似ではあったが、何とか上手く成功したのだ。

　やってみれば、何とかなるものなのだ。

　ヴェルドラとの繋がりは感じるし、ヴェルザードやヴェルグリンドだって、呼びかければ応えてくれそうな気がした。

　つまり、『竜種解放［灼熱・暴風・白氷］』や『竜種核化［灼熱・暴風・白氷］』なんかも、使おうと思えば使えそうなんだよね。

　そもそもの話、『竜種解放』は常時発動しているんだった。

　という事で、[究極能力][アルティメットスキル]『[虚空之神][アザトース]』だが、意外と全部扱えてしまった。

　それに対して、[究極能力][アルティメットスキル]『[豊穣之王][シュブ・ニグラト]』だが……。

　こちらはもう、ほぼ全滅だ。

俺では、シエルさんが行っていた『能力創造・能力複製・能力贈与・能力保存』などの権能は、他人事過ぎて理解の[範][はん][疇][ちゅう]になかった為だ。

自分に必要なら覚えるが、そうでなければ興味がない。そういう悪い面が顕著に表れた事例なのだが、まあ仕方ない。直接的な戦闘に利用出来そうな権能を扱えるのだし、そこまで気にしなくても良さそうだった。

　という訳で、俺の方では準備完了。

待つ必要もないので、早速ながら仕掛ける事にした。

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Thanks. Also, in the newest volume, Veldanava (basically the god of the verse) completely steals Rimuru’s soul, after which Rimuru begins using a pseudo-soul. Veldanava calls Rimuru a soulless, autonomous being because he was unable to sense a soul within Rimuru.

Rimuru said that he has a soul, albeit a fake one, but later he again states that he doesn’t have a soul .

Should grant him immunity then yeah.