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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

Miasma Priest was only comparable to a Yixuan who we saw was specifically weakened by taking the entire town's worth of Miasma into herself. She clearly wasn't at full strength when she took on Priest, and when she had the emotional breakthrough from the memories of Yijang, she absolutely DECIMATED Miasma Priest.
Didn’t she herself state that she mostly recovered or do they note after that she was greatly weakened at that point? Unless she’s greatly weakened, Miasma Priest should still scale to her. Ain’t nothing against it given as you said, Yixuan got a boost from a emotional breakthrough (Gold Qingming Bird)
 
Tailless is not described like a maze/hollow.

What's described as being similar to a Hollow is the Sheath that miyabi's father created to contain Tailless.

And we outright see that whatever copying done doesn't match

BECAUSE THE VERY SAME TAILLESS COPY WAS USED BY BRINGER AND HE GOT ABSOLUTELY ******* OBLITERATED. The output he had with the blade didn't even remotely come close. DESPITE the fact that his version would have no reason to restrict itself from him.

It wasn't slightly weaker. IT WAS MILES WEAKER
This is cope on a different level, no offense.
The VR systems literally copy the users abilities and physical body to a tee.
If it didn’t, that’d defeat the entire purpose of the test.
If the VR was capable of copying and inputing Miyabi into the system, NullFace should in no manner be creating a weaker version of Miyabi, he literally has complete control over their bodies due to them not correctly performing the protection ritual slop.
That’s like, the entire plot.
NullFace literally hacked and took control of this very same system which gave him access to their data. Do you not hear yourself? How in the hell is he gaining access of weaker data when the data is literally in his hands. You can’t be forreal.
He literally turns them into Bangboos once he has completely copied their data.
This shit is so potent that it allowed him to copy Tailless and his sheath (thank you for the correction) which is a complex maze like a hollow.
It literally gave Sarah the ability to unlock Tailless, and gave the enough data to corrupt it and break the seal earlier in the patch.
This is cope my guy, Miyabi mogging the clone is either bad writing, or just stylistic design. Miyabi blitzing her wasn’t intended to be an actual showing of strength but was supposed to be a “wow” moment. In no world does it make sense for NullFace to someone be incapable of copying the data he literally has access to, the entire plot of the mission.
You can’t try to reason with this, it’s literally bad writing.
 
Didn’t she herself state that she mostly recovered or do they note after that she was greatly weakened at that point? Unless she’s greatly weakened, Miasma Priest should still scale to her. Ain’t nothing against it given as you said, Yixuan got a boost from a emotional breakthrough (Gold Qingming Bird)
Right after the fight with Miasma Priest, we have a scene that shows that Yixuan was lying to her disciples about having recovered.
 
This is cope on a different level, no offense.
The VR systems literally copy the users abilities and physical body to a tee.
If it didn’t, that’d defeat the entire purpose of the test.
If the VR was capable of copying and inputing Miyabi into the system, NullFace should in no manner be creating a weaker version of Miyabi, he literally has complete control over their bodies due to them not correctly performing the protection ritual slop.
That’s like, the entire plot.
NullFace literally hacked and took control of this very same system which gave him access to their data. Do you not hear yourself? How in the hell is he gaining access of weaker data when the data is literally in his hands. You can’t be forreal.
He literally turns them into Bangboos once he has completely copied their data.
This shit is so potent that it allowed him to copy Tailless and his sheath (thank you for the correction) which is a complex maze like a hollow.
It literally gave Sarah the ability to unlock Tailless, and gave the enough data to corrupt it and break the seal earlier in the patch.
This is cope my guy, Miyabi mogging the clone is either bad writing, or just stylistic design. Miyabi blitzing her wasn’t intended to be an actual showing of strength but was supposed to be a “wow” moment. In no world does it make sense for NullFace to someone be incapable of copying the data he literally has access to, the entire plot of the mission.
You can’t try to reason with this, it’s literally bad writing.

So you have no answer to the fact that we see Bringer, who has both become a Sacrifice and gotten a boost, as well as provided the Tailless sword (Which you in your own previous post in this thread highlight is the entire source of Miyabi's power.) want to argue that Miyabi did not COMPLETELY overwhelm Bringer despite him having the perfect replica?

And for a perfect replica it sure didn't have the One eyed Spirit that comes along with Tailless.

Nor did it have the countless demonic voices that come along with Tailless.

Why should I believe that Nullface could perfectly copy them? Sure he could modify the script to disarm their ability within the code, but that's within code.

A miyabi clone could be well beyond Yanagi's strength and still be an imperfect clone.
 
Accusing it as a cope is just way wrong tbh and ngl what Cooler said are way more sense, you seems just trying to downplaying now, thought I was joking but your persistent over this make me doubting myself if you're just want to **** this series

I'm sorry if I'm sound mean but I need to get this out from my chest as I find you gotten annoying now
 
Also, this is super late, but the more I think about it, the more the talk of "lore-accurate" abilities feels off to me because why are we knee-capping ourselves to just stuff we need to bend backwards to prove exists when other video game verses, especially other Hoyoverse games, some already directly overseen by moderators, get to keep their gameplay kits in their abilities? It's very much a common thing for profiles to use a hybrid of mechanics demonstrated in-game and during stories.

Xingqiu's Healing was never elaborated on beyond being a part of his kit. March 7th never had an opportunity to cast some kind of shield in a cutscene, yet it's on her profile. Should we wait for the Warden to deflect projectiles in a cutscene because we're not so sure if that's actually an in-lore ability? Does Kazuma Kiryu just straight up not get HEAT's gameplay benefits because there's no basis for them? Remember, for all intents and purposes, it's meant to be a mundane Japanese setting.

You could argue that this should be a measure only for games with absolutely zero story content or cutscenes, but that's also an unfair advantage for stories that get to keep their kits while others languish with barebones ass abilities because we're walled off by an arbitrary need for a solid in-universe basis for them to be usable. And you could also argue that it should be the standard for all, but that's frankly just an opinion on standards rather than an immutable law that must be followed religiously.

If we reversed this logic and demanded gameplay feats only, and believe me, games can be as much anti-feats as they are buffs, then suddenly profiles are barren in the other direction because suddenly characters that can tank nukes or create storms with pure strength or whatever get downgraded to 9-C because they died to a ten-foot fall in-game. The point is that sticking to either extreme is unproductive and just kneecaps a verse, and takes the fun out of indexing it. Frankly, everyone loses if we are forced to adhere to a standard that forces players to fulfill a set of criteria before implementing the unthinkable: an actual part of the game instead of fishing for crumbs from text descriptions and cutscenes.

And just a reminder that most cases of Game Mechanics are addressed with the express purpose of explaining contradictions between lore and what happens in gameplay. This wouldn't target gameplay kits to begin with; it would target the fact that ZZZ characters can't jump over obstacles, need bridges to cross gaps jumpable by their normal selves, or destroy obstacles they would normally be able to with their power. There's a very high threshold for contradiction before you look at something that a character directly achieves in gameplay and think "this is too contradictory" with what's in-lore to really belong.

On that topic, if we are going through with a downgrade CRT at some point in the future, here are the following things I'll be alright with:
  • Removing Vital View only for characters who don't demonstrate it in-game. Defensive Assist characters can take the kneecap. Evasive Assists, as well as Yixuan's and Hugo's own time slow, should absolutely stay.
  • Removing in-game related stat buffs to in-game statistics like ATK, DEF, CRIT, etc., and just slapping a generic Statistics Amplification
  • Removing Mindscape stat-related buffs
Others I will heavily argue against for the sake of precedent, as well as the fact that these changes are only being implemented to please one person in this verse.
 
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So you have no answer to the fact that we see Bringer, who has both become a Sacrifice and gotten a boost, as well as provided the Tailless sword (Which you in your own previous post in this thread highlight is the entire source of Miyabi's power.) want to argue that Miyabi did not COMPLETELY overwhelm Bringer despite him having the perfect replica?
Did I ever say Bringer had a perfect replica of Tailless? I don’t think I did, if I did, I apologize that’s incorrect.
Bringer wasn’t able to utilize Tailless energy until after Sarah hit him with the second shot, which is after Sarah is shown stealing some of Tailless’ energy.
Yeah, Bringer could use some of the cursed blades power, but there’s no reason to assume he could use absolutely all of it.

And for a perfect replica it sure didn't have the One eyed Spirit that comes along with Tailless.
That spirit is stated by devs to be a projection of tailless from when he was sealed, he could only partially manifest his eye outside the blade. Though idk how consistent this is.
Nor did it have the countless demonic voices that come along with Tailless.
Yeah, Bringer doesnt have Tailless.
Why should I believe that Nullface could perfectly copy them? Sure he could modify the script to disarm their ability within the code, but that's within code.
The VR system completely copies them. NullFace hacked and took over the VR system, he has access to all the data and their code. This is a prominent part of this story.
He’s literally stated and shown to be copying their data, he can inly bangboofy them once their data is completely copied, that’s when he has total control over their data.
Why are you ignoring this? Assuming he majestically didn’t have control of their data is contradictory to the lore established to you.
This is being dense on purpose.
A miyabi clone could be well beyond Yanagi's strength and still be an imperfect clone.
Miyabi wouldn’t have know this.
 
Before I joined to vs wiki I just typically lurked around just viewing a couple profiles so I’ll admit that I’m not 100% in line with how things are handled here. What I can say is that my intention isn’t to try to nerf the verse as much as possible, I just wish to keep them as aligned to the rules as possible. I don’t know too much about other Hoyo profiles but what I do know is that we do have rules telling us what’s acceptable and what’s not and I think it’s necessary to follows those as closely as possible, not loosely.

For example, Hugo.
How do you index his Totalize?
How do you index SAnby’s marks? Or aftershocks?
If we’re gonna include kit specific details and abilities how do we go about their limitations?
Ex specials? Do we index energy too?
Stun windows? Decibels?
What about anomaly? It clear has to be built up overtime and doesn’t just apply instantly, so how do we index that?
The list goes on.
 
For example, Hugo.
How do you index his Totalize?
How do you index SAnby’s marks? Or aftershocks?
If we’re gonna include kit specific details and abilities how do we go about their limitations?
Ex specials? Do we index energy too?
Stun windows? Decibels?
That's the stuff that usually takes personal discretion or translation into parts. The mechanics themselves that aren't translateable usually get either a generic Stat Amp, Damage Boost ability slapped onto them. Statistic specific details such as 15% boosts in damage or whatever are often disregarded. Energy, Decibles, and Stun Windows are game unique so they'd have to be recontextualized in an actual fight.

The interpretation for this gets a little loose since a lot of it gets settled in battle. HSR, for example, wouldn't really include gameplay inherent mechanics like Skill Points, where characters can't use skills if they don't have enough Skill Points. Genshin, for example, notably does not index the Favonius Sword or the need to accumulate energy for a Burst. It's a matter of interpreting their abilities in a way that's functional for combat.

Granted, I can see why it seems arbitrary to implement this for some but not all, but it's mostly for purposes of making characters usable in fights. Kind of like how players make certain assumptions to determine a player character whose "skill feats" are heavily dependent on the player's performance.

At the end of the day, it's ultimately discretionary, and I mostly follow based on other profiles I see. We're not going to delve into absurd interpretations.
 
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That ending explosion is crazy, not sure if it's a dream or not but still might be something she's theoretically capable of
it's definitely a dream yeah. kinda reminds me of miyabi's demo where she was daydreaming battle scenarios in her head. we'll have to see what 2.5 gives us but it doesn't seem like it's something completely impossible for her to replicate. in any case i am curious as to what it'd yield cause it seems very visually impressive lol
 
it's definitely a dream yeah. kinda reminds me of miyabi's demo where she was daydreaming battle scenarios in her head. we'll have to see what 2.5 gives us but it doesn't seem like it's something completely impossible for her to replicate. in any case i am curious as to what it'd yield cause it seems very visually impressive lol
Ngl, YSG might be the strongest VH out of the current three by lore, but I don’t believe she’s gonna have any impressive feats.
Her whole thing seems to be attacking with countless blades soooo yeah, I think Miyabi will hold the best feat of the three.
 
Ngl, YSG might be the strongest VH out of the current three by lore, but I don’t believe she’s gonna have any impressive feats.
Her whole thing seems to be attacking with countless blades soooo yeah, I think Miyabi will hold the best feat of the three.
i think she might at least get something notable, or if not her, maybe sarah will get something since she seems to be fully utilizing the power of the creator or whatever

i get what you mean though, she seems more hax oriented than anything else, and her demo kinda illustrated that well lol
 
i think she might at least get something notable, or if not her, maybe sarah will get something since she seems to be fully utilizing the power of the creator or whatever

i get what you mean though, she seems more hax oriented than anything else, and her demo kinda illustrated that well lol
Her hax may be limited to hollows/ether.
Would suck to see. Makes me no different as long as my Goat Miyabi remains supreme.
 
There seems to be absolutely no actual physical destruction from that massive explosion that the Qingming Sword did in that trailer other than the Ethereals.
 
This latest trailer has done irreparable damage to Ye Shunguang's reputation and she's being subjected to immense levels of slander
Ye Shunguang when poor jobber ethereals looked at Phaethon siblings wrong.


"WITH THIS TREASURE I SUMMON QINGMING SWORD!"
 
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I haven’t played the story yet and probably don’t plan to. If I do, im hitting skip. So what’s the explanation?
To keep it short

The sword basically have 2 nukes inside it, fighting against each other.

I doubt this is true but the Another Ye herself seem to think that the sword user is just sacrifice to keep the sword power in check.

I am probably not even half way into the story, this is all I currently know.
 
Knew it!

Anyway

Teacher Calore the 007

0 appearance
0 people in new Eridu, other than Wise and Belle, believe in her.
7 times saved Phaethon's ass.
 
I just watched the all of the cutscenes on yt and ngl, ts kinda ass. Obviously I gotta actually play the story to get the full picture but a lot of what I’m seeing is… terrible.

Lil nitpick, I find it very hard to believe that Miyabi failed to destroy the boulder. It’s made even worse when she and YX were the last group to destroy it.
You telling me Seed, Trigger, Magus and a couple dozen guns managed to destroy the boulder before Miyabi?
Or some of the dialogue with them saying they can’t keep fighting these low levels ethereals out of fear of being worn out?
😭
 
I just watched the all of the cutscenes on yt and ngl, ts kinda ass. Obviously I gotta actually play the story to get the full picture but a lot of what I’m seeing is… terrible.

Lil nitpick, I find it very hard to believe that Miyabi failed to destroy the boulder. It’s made even worse when she and YX were the last group to destroy it.
You telling me Seed, Trigger, Magus and a couple dozen guns managed to destroy the boulder before Miyabi?
Or some of the dialogue with them saying they can’t keep fighting these low levels ethereals out of fear of being worn out?
😭
First time? - GBF player
 
Soooo there are group of people that are as strong as Void hunter level agents out there

Lore powercreep lmao
 
Also

Probably not that most important

Miyabi stated that she can fight against miasma because of Tailless.
 
I just watched the all of the cutscenes on yt and ngl, ts kinda ass. Obviously I gotta actually play the story to get the full picture but a lot of what I’m seeing is… terrible.

Lil nitpick, I find it very hard to believe that Miyabi failed to destroy the boulder. It’s made even worse when she and YX were the last group to destroy it.
You telling me Seed, Trigger, Magus and a couple dozen guns managed to destroy the boulder before Miyabi?
Or some of the dialogue with them saying they can’t keep fighting these low levels ethereals out of fear of being worn out?
😭
I'll be real with you chief, I checked out of the story some time ago and am more or less here for vibes
Ye Shunguang when poor jobber ethereals looked at Phaethon siblings wrong.
"QINGMING, GIVE ME ALL YOUR STRENGTH, THIS IS A BASE SATYR WE'RE UP AGAINST"
 
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