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small town is still pretty damn impressive for a non VH at least lol, honestly didn't think any non-VH level agent would even be able to get that high at all
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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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I’ve never used Blender so I personally don’t know, but how does Blender know the size of models? Is there like a set coding that has the size of things inside of it?
Like how does that work?
Like there are so many shots of Ethereals next to humans and they are MASSIVE, like no joke.
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Blender has an in-built ruler that lets you measure it yourself. Now there is a caveat that models released might come out smaller than they are depicted in-game because enemies are usually bigger by virtue of game design (best example of this is comparing enemy Jane Doe and Hugo compared to their playable selves), but for the most part it's been reliable and consistent with the heights of character stated in the game so I don't try to adjust it. I'm open to adjusting it accordingly, it's just that doing it as is just requires less work.
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Maybe I’m just tripping but that seems weird to me.
Would you be fine with just straight up measuring the core using a character in comparison?
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I'll fire up the game and hop into Training and check but if it doesn't significantly deviate I'll just keep it as is
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This is not a drill: Jane is getting a new outfit.
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holy W livestream
2.5's bouta be so peak
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U.A. Sports Festival Final Event, but it's an 8-A tournament (16/16) (Full)
Depends on whether it's crazy bloody or not. If it's not, then it'll maybe be ok, but if it is, then it definitely wouldn't fly. Question, are stomps ground for reshuffling? Because I’m ngl I’m reading more and more of Luffy’s profile and his whole shtick stomps the life outta Cuphead
Yixuan is against a Deepwoken character, yeah we are cooked i think LMFAO
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You have no idea how much of restrain I took when I saw Jane skin that I almost became Kratos in the beginning of Ascension lmao
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oh boy, maybe i can use my limited deepwoken knowledge from back when i actually played the game to help out with that debate lolU.A. Sports Festival Final Event, but it's an 8-A tournament (16/16) (Full)
Depends on whether it's crazy bloody or not. If it's not, then it'll maybe be ok, but if it is, then it definitely wouldn't fly. Question, are stomps ground for reshuffling? Because I’m ngl I’m reading more and more of Luffy’s profile and his whole shtick stomps the life outta Cupheadvsbattles.com
Yixuan is against a Deepwoken character, yeah we are cooked i think LMFAO
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you gotta refresh the knowledge, alot of new stuff came around.
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We can also wait for patch 2.5.
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ZZZ: Banyue pushes up pillars of rock pt. 2
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Miyabi only scales with taillessseems like this banyue calc got the thumbs up. VH agents should at least be comparable to this if not straight up upscale from it so that's obviously a pretty massive buff for them, but i'm wondering if any other non-VHs should reasonably scale or if it should just be banyueZZZ: Banyue pushes up pillars of rock pt. 2
, non void hunters won’t scale.
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That emote is way unnecessary imma be realMiyabi only scales with tailless
And at the same time, wait for 2.5, it will be a week away, one thing for sure Ye Shunghuang might upscale a lot from Banyue and if Miyabi somehow scaled to her then so does Yixuan, but we'll see
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Devs did say this patch will explore the place where Ye Shunyhuang blade came from, which is also where Tailless came from.
We might eat good but I personally think YS will be stronger than Miyabi. She seems like the Acheron of zzz
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Ye Shunguang probably has better hax by virtue of Spatial Manip
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shunguang and yixuan are definitely both more haxed out than miyabi lol
both of their kits are just way more versatile, miyabi's kinda more of a stat brick rather than a hax merchant, not that she really needs to be one in lore. who knows though, she could always get new abilities now that she's fully grasped the power of tailless
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Heads up for anyone making a new profile, as well as revisions that would have to come with our profiles later on
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Combat intelligence statistics and optional continuity sections in verse pages
Hello everybody. Two community announcements here, one very late, and the other one new: Our character intelligence sections should no longer mention specific combat skill intelligence statistics, just explain how accomplished a character is in this area, as previously in this regard. So if...
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Why would Tailless scaling matter?Miyabi only scales with tailless
Miyabi's own patch makes note that she's unique within her clan in that her prowess is not a result of Tailless' power and we know that she didn't have access to its true power until later within the patch.
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To be fair, you can argue that Miyabi does have SOME HAX in the fact that Tailless can devour souls.
There is the caveat that mortal damage is presumably necessary, but it is still an aspect of the blade.
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Additionally, I think nineveh AND Gepetto both have enough information to warrant profiles
Especially considering their more or less unquestionable positions as top of the verse.
Especially considering their more or less unquestionable positions as top of the verse.
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Because becoming a void hunter normally has nothing to do with raw power. It’s about their contribution to New Eridu. Now the game has so far maybe all playable VH similar in power, sure, but it should be noted that Miyabi pre tailless is astronomically weaker than post. So much so that if she fought Yixuan before she unlocked tailless she would have been one shotted.
Point being, VH isn’t a set level of power and scaling VHs based on non VH feats become dubious when you think abt it.
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That's why i didn't specify Void Hunter.
I specified her prowess being noted to have been the greatest within her clan without need of Tailless, which would include the Void Hunter Swordmaster.
There's no reason to assume Miyabi is so much weaker without tailless that she couldn't fight Yixuan to any degree without it.
Her feat against Lerna gives us an idea of how good she is.
Not to ignore the fact of how we saw her perform against a copy of herself with a broken arm AND the juiced up version Bringer who had a copy of Tailless.
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Where is this even stated or are you just simply implying this because Tailless is an amp?
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I think it should be clarified that Miyabi actually does uses Tailless powers, even while sealed.
To the degree we do not know, but the seal doesnt allow him to consume to host for more power, but she does use it. Foxfire is a power from Tailless. It doesn’t really change much but I’d like to bring it up.
Compare Data Miyabi to post Tailless Miyabi.
I know there’s a general consensus that DC=/= AP but a Foxfire slash, which is essentially condensed Ether, being larger is a clear indication of more power.
The slash from Data Miyabi is like hundreds of times smaller than the one used against Bringer.
That’s at least why I personally believe the difference is huge, you may disagree.
Oh no she’s strong without Tailless, that’s undeniable.
Juiced up bringer is inconsistent and weird. There’s many problems with him.
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it doesnt really matter since tailles is basically her main source of strength no? so like if yixuan cant use those birds and whatever her magic is called (i didnt keep up with zzz at all) then you can also say yixuan without that would be getting gojo treatment from miyabi
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If the top tiers of the verse scale to 7-C and above, the ZZZ beating JJK verse meme becomes real
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It’s mainly me trolling but I do believe there’s some truth to it.
I just base it off Data Miyabi’s slash compared to post Taillless Slash. Considering the nature of foxfire, which is just concentrated Ether, an ether slash hundreds of times larger, is presumably stronger. In my eye at least.
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What’s the issue with 2nd form Bringer? He fought Miyabi + Section 6 and proved an issue that they recommended to use Disorder to stop his Ether Activity from further increasing.
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Regular miyabi with a broken hand absolutely dumpstered Data Miyabi and we see A much more impressive move from Miyabi against Nineveh in the beginning of the game, which would still be pre-tailless contract.
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Scaling in the game pisses me off. Particularly, the Miasma Priest who is supposed to be comparable to Yixuan. We later find out the Miasma Priest is Isolde, who becomes the Defiler and gets her shit walked by the Defense Force, and that's generously considering a combination of Seed, Trigger, and Orphie/Magus, and not that damn Beam Clash the Defiler and Magus had, it's never really stated why beyond maybe Yixuan giving them some kind of buff
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Miasma Priest was only comparable to a Yixuan who we saw was specifically weakened by taking the entire town's worth of Miasma into herself. She clearly wasn't at full strength when she took on Priest, and when she had the emotional breakthrough from the memories of Yijang, she absolutely DECIMATED Miasma Priest.
There's nothing suggesting it was only Seed, Trigger, and Orphie/Magus against Defiler. In fact, they specifically have Yixuan join the fight against Defiler (She's explicitly in the line up in the cutscene and she replaces Trigger in the actual fight.)
And Orphie and Magus outright state they only won easily because Yixuan joined.
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Juiced up bringer was not an issue at all, especially not before he used “the cursed blade’s power”.
The moment Miyabi tapped into Tailless powers she blitz and one shot bringer, who was also using Tailless powers, apparently.
If per your own words, they were forced to use a disorder due to juiced up Bringer’s strength, that kinda implies that Base Miyabi+S6 was somewhat struggling with Bringer making the two sides relative in power.
If that’s the case, Bringer using Tailless should be equivalent to Miyabi using Tailless yet we know that wasn’t the case. Miyabi straight mogged Bringer. If she did this with a direct slash at Bringer, no Tailless you might have had a point, but the fact that this was a clash of two cursed blades, which is essentially pure ether, you can’t just chalk it up to a Miyabi diff, as foxfire is purely Tailless powers.
Thats why I say Bringer is weird, no matter how you look at it it doesn’t make sense.
Either he had access to the cursed blade and couldn’t use its powers fully or he could use the power fully but Miyabi just has her own set of ether abilities alongside Tailless, could just be poor writing.
Data Miyabi is literally a carbon copy of Miyabi. This is stated in game and directly shown as she still had the physical weakness of the real Miyabi, a sprained wrist. The same sprained wrist is the reason Yanagi had the capability of dodging the attack, as implied by real Miyabi.
The game shows and confirms that this is a carbon copy of Miyabi, with her abilities and foxfire.
How did Miyabi one shot it?
Like I said up above, could be bad writing, the data could have been caught off guard, or Miyabi has some secret set of powers that nobody knows about and Data Miyabi couldn’t copy. No matter how you chalk it up, it doesn’t make sense.
Miyabi’s slash against Nineveh is totally different. It hit a hard body which caused the Ether to explode, in the VR it flew and went through the walls without resistance. They are entirely different situations.
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Did you miss how that Chapter ended?
And it's hardly the first time a story has done "The copy can't match up to the original" trope. It's hardly bad writing. It's just there to show how far ahead a character is from what's copied. It's a super common place writing bit.
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The fact they recommend to use Disorder, Soukaku mentioning him to be tough and being warned at his increasing Ether Activity to me makes it clear there was a fight as opposed to a one sided battle, if he wasn’t a issue and Miyabi could blitz and one shot him at any point then why not just do that immediately? She took him on with Section 6, not “Everyone step back, I’ma just one shot him in the opening move” and only overpowered his final Sacrificial Knife AFTER besting him with her allies.
To be clear, I’m in the camp that attack from Miyabi was emotionally empowered by the memories of her mother as we see images flash of her as she’s doing the final move against Bringer.
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I’d accept this reasoning if we didn’t have context. Before Data Miyabi came out we see Yanagi fighting Null as a robot, it’s specifically mentioned that he was using Miyabi’s data yet we see Yanagi beating him.
He asks how Yanagi is “keeping up with Miyabi” in which Miyabi replies with “because you’re not her”
This is telling us that Null can’t properly fight with Miyabi’s data so you know what he did? He just straight up projects a copy of Miyabi.
And here is where your argument falls apart, Miyabi tells Yanagi that she sprained her wrist, and that it’ll lead to subtle changes in her movements. This is what allowed her to dodge. Miyabi didn’t say “this copy might be weaker than me so you might be able to dodge” She said, “I was weakened when the data copied me so you should be able to dodge” and we see this. Yanagi barely managed to dodge, even when using her special abilities.
Miyabi implies she could only do this because her wrist was sprained.
The VR systems copy their data to the T, it could even copy Tailless which is a complex weapon, which is described as a maze, a hollow.
This idea that the data clone was weaker than the original is dumb. This isn’t someone trying to create a replica, he literally copied her body, and her blade Tailless.
This data was so proficient that they developed a serum which unsealed Tailless and they managed to create a glove which could absorb Tailless power and open Miyabi’s blade.
There’s no justifying this, is either bad writing or PIS.
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I’m sorry but this is bullshit, Foxfire is literally condensed Ether from Tailless, Miyabi’s emotional state has nothing to due with how strong the Foxfire will be, it’s all up to Tailless. I don’t even understand how one can come to this conclusion.
You could make this argument for maybe someone like Yixuan, whose powers are based in manipulating ether. Maybe her emotion state can affect her output.
But Miyabi? Her power relies strictly on The Tailless, emotion friendship power bs doesn’t work with her.
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Tailless is not described like a maze/hollow.
What's described as being similar to a Hollow is the Sheath that miyabi's father created to contain Tailless.
And we outright see that whatever copying done doesn't match
BECAUSE THE VERY SAME TAILLESS COPY WAS USED BY BRINGER AND HE GOT ABSOLUTELY ******* OBLITERATED. The output he had with the blade didn't even remotely come close. DESPITE the fact that his version would have no reason to restrict itself from him.
It wasn't slightly weaker. IT WAS MILES WEAKER
