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Gojo powering a nation Re-Do

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As someone said recently: "JJK is more unstable than the stock market."
This is like the 50th thread on a mountain level JJK purposal;

The Feat in question
In the Jujutsu Kaisen Manga Chapter 200, Kenjaku goes to the U.S Government and proposes the usage of the jujutsu sorcerers of Japan as energy sources as the cursed energy they use is... well energy. During this, the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment speaks out and says that Gojo in specific could power an entire nation by himself. This isn't contested by Kenjaku and even used by himself as a lay-up way of convincing the U.S president even more. So the conclusion is that Gojo can power an entire nation with his raw CE output.

The current calculation used for this feat is this one, and the end used is the "1 second" one using China.


My issue
I don't have an issue with the feat and the way the current calculation is made, however, I think the current timeframe used (1 second) is just an extreme low-end on what the feat/statements truly mean.

It's made very clear by everyone around that what they're planning/thinking about is a complete replacement of every source of energy that exists, from petroleum, natural gas to solar wind, geothermal power. Everything would be replaced by the Cursed Energy of the sorcerers, however a important statement is that they say a single sorcerer can produce said energy to last a LIFETIME. So it would be reasonable to say that the idea of Gojo powering an entire nation is refering to him doing it over a lifetime, not a short period of time.
Now what I'm proposing is NOT that Gojo casually gives lifetime energy for the country in a single swoop, that would be ridiculous, but that the "1 second" end would entail that Gojo would have to constantly power the country non-stop for his entire lifetime, which makes no sense.

The more accepting ends in my opinion would be a end of 48-72 hours power. (Calculation below)
I consider this more consistent since it would take into account that Gojo would need rest in their eyes a body requires 48 to 72 hours of rest to recover to full after strength training, which should at least be comparable to the rest someone would require after powering an entire country in their view.

Addressing some Counter-Arguments
  • "Gojo would require barely if not no rest at all while powering the country because of six-eyes as they make him lose almost no cursed energy to the point he could basically never get tired"
While this is likely true, we need to look at this from the perspective of who's made the analysis/statement that Gojo could power the entire nation. That being the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment, someone who has no knowledge on six-eyes or even Gojo's CE stock at all as the recording that Kenjaku shows are likely from the Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc. As seen by how the image being used for Gojo is directly taken from Chapter 52. So in their eyes, they have no reason to assume Gojo is just some "limitless stamina" sorcerer. And at best would just assume his stamina is comparable to the other sorcerers that they see in the recordings if not just normal stamina for humans.

  • "If Gojo outputted 6-C levels of energy at once then he'd blow up every national grid on the planet which is counterintuitive." This is taken from the comments of the current calculation as it is one of the reasons why the 1 second end was used.
While this is also true, using the national grids of the country currently as a way of saying Gojo can't output more than that is unreasonable. First off because, large countries like the USA do not have a singular national grid and is actually split into regions. Second off, even small town level energy every single second would overwhelm mostly any national grid on the planet, for example, the USA section of the Western Interconnection grid has a generating capacity of 250 GW. That's around 2.5 x 10^11 Joules per second. Which is City-Block level. Gojo would blow up any singular grid on the planet even with the current calculation, or any sort of calculation that tries to calculate him powering a huge country like USA, China on his own. The whole method of Gojo powering the entire country is already working on a fictional national grid that somehow would power huge countries like the USA and China on it's own. So using the real-life ones doesn't really work as a counter argument.

Characters affected (If it's accepted)
They would go from their current High 7-C to 7-A.

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Is it a trend for new members to start off with a CRT?

Anyway, Gojo would only need to be outputting that 1 KT of TNT amount per second to power a nation for whatever amount of time.

Even if we do say he can produce mountain levels of energy in 72 hours, his output per second, which is what actually matters would still just be 1 KT. There's the general discussion thread if ya wanna discuss stuff like this.
 
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People are just gonna ignore my 7A CRT when I actually make it because of shit like this.

My brother. Gojo would only need to be outputting that 1KT amount per second to power a nation for whatever amount of time.

Even if we do say he can produce mountain levels of energy in 72 hours, his output per second, which is what actually matters would still just be 1 KT.
Ya being too rash, the op is a new member. It's not as if they could know that you are planning any upgrades
 
We getting 9-C jjk after this 😑

Someone producing 1 kiloton per second would still power up a nation for a lifetime
 
People are just gonna ignore my 7A CRT when I actually make it because of shit like this.

My brother. Gojo would only need to be outputting that 1KT amount per second to power a nation for whatever amount of time.

Even if we do say he can produce mountain levels of energy in 72 hours, his output per second, which is what actually matters would still just be 1 KT.
I don't think you got the point.
Gojo physically can't output "1KT" per second every single second of his life in their eyes. For the 1 second end to be used Gojo would need to output energy continuously without rest for the entire time he's powering the country, this only makes no sense but as I explained in my point would not be logical to assume that the secretary made the idea of him powering the entire country as if he had infinite stamina. Gojo would need to generate excess energy in limited active periods and rest between them in their eyes.

The 1KT per second idea doesn't work at all.
 
We getting 9-C jjk after this 😑

Someone producing 1 kiloton per second would still power up a nation for a lifetime
If they had infinite stamina they would yea you're correct. Why are you treating Gojo like a energy generator that doesn't need rest (Before you use the six eyes argument, I already made a counter for it right there)
 
I don't think the point was fully read by the people answering as of right now.

My point is that Gojo can not simply output 1KT of TNT for every second of his life, the current calc being used completely ignores the fact that stamina exists. Why would the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment, who moments ago had no idea about CE, assume via Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc recordings (where Gojo barely uses any attacks) that Gojo can output the same thing he's doing every single second of his life without getting tired at all. For Gojo to power the entire country for long periods of time (in this case a "LIFETIME" according to them) he would need to generate excess energy so he could recover in-between each output.
 
From what I understand, you're trying to argue that Gojo can output around 2 to 3 days worth of energy?
 
From what I understand, you're trying to argue that Gojo can output around 2 to 3 days worth of energy?
Pretty much, I'm trying to argue that Gojo would need to output those 2-3 days worth of energy so he can then rest for those days before outputing said energy again (In this case, in the secretary's eyes since he has no idea about six eyes existing)
 
I'm very wary about trying to scale the AP of the characters off of this; we have extremely few details about how this "powering an entire nation" scheme would practically work. There's no way to translate it to any one of Gojo's attacks or physical strikes directly.

I don't see why would we use this over just directly powerscaling Gojo's attacks or calculating any of Gojo's on-screen feats.
 
I don't think the point was fully read by the people answering as of right now.

My point is that Gojo can not simply output 1KT of TNT for every second of his life, the current calc being used completely ignores the fact that stamina exists. Why would the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment, who moments ago had no idea about CE, assume via Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc recordings (where Gojo barely uses any attacks) that Gojo can output the same thing he's doing every single second of his life without getting tired at all. For Gojo to power the entire country for long periods of time (in this case a "LIFETIME" according to them) he would need to generate excess energy so he could recover in-between each output.

We don’t really run on these kinds of assumptions
 
I'm very wary about trying to scale the AP of the characters off of this; we have extremely few details about how this "powering an entire nation" scheme would practically work. There's no way to translate it to any one of Gojo's attacks or physical strikes directly.

I don't see why would we use this over just directly powerscaling Gojo's attacks or calculating any of Gojo's on-screen feats.
This is false. I'm not saying that the op's logic is correct, but they determined that Gojo can powerup a nation based on his actions and feats that Kenjaku could record
 
We don’t really run on these kinds of assumptions
Which assumptions?
I think the idea that the secretary for some reason made his statement while thinking Gojo has infinite stamina and can constantly output said energy every single second without getting tired would be more of an assumption than what I'm proposing? It isn't even about being an assumption, it's just illogical to think like that.

Unless you mean the 48-72 days time frame? If so, I simply used the normal time a body requires to recover fully after strength training.
 
This is false. I'm not saying that the op's logic is correct, but they determined that Gojo can powerup a nation based on his actions and feats that Kenjaku could record
They can detirmine whatever they'd like, it still doesn't translate to Gojo's attacks.

And it would be an outlier compared to everything else we've seen from Gojo and other Special Grade level characters.
 
They can detirmine whatever they'd like, it still doesn't translate to Gojo's attacks.

And it would be an outlier compared to everything else we've seen from Gojo and other Special Grade level characters.
I think it would translate to his attacks considering the conclusion they made came from him... using his attacks.

And it's made very clear by the story that both Gojo and Sukuna eclipse the entire rest of the verse pretty casually, I don't see why it'd be an outlier that he can do that and is two tiers above the rest of the verse?
 
They can detirmine whatever they'd like, it still doesn't translate to Gojo's attacks.
they determined it based on his... attacks?
And it would be an outlier compared to everything else we've seen from Gojo and other Special Grade level characters.
Idk how other special grades are relevant here when they aren't even close to anything that Gojo and Sukuna can do
But again, Idk if the op's logic is correct, I just think it's dumb to pretend that the feat with the most blatant statement ever that everyone was fine is now unreliable just because
 
But again, Idk if the op's logic is correct, I just think it's dumb to pretend that the feat with the most blatant statement ever that everyone was fine is now unreliable just because
I don't know who "everyone" is here. I'm not speaking for everyone else.
 
Eitherway the point is if the current accepted calculation is wrong or not imo- If we scale it to Gojo or not is a different convo, I just added him and sukuna/maho as characters affected because the wiki currently does indeed accept that as something that Gojo scales to, so currently it would scale to Gojo.
 
I'm very wary about trying to scale the AP of the characters off of this; we have extremely few details about how this "powering an entire nation" scheme would practically work. There's no way to translate it to any one of Gojo's attacks or physical strikes directly.

I don't see why would we use this over just directly powerscaling Gojo's attacks or calculating any of Gojo's on-screen feats.
I mean, he already explained why.
 
they determined it based on his... attacks?

Idk how other special grades are relevant here when they aren't even close to anything that Gojo and Sukuna can do
But again, Idk if the op's logic is correct, I just think it's dumb to pretend that the feat with the most blatant statement ever that everyone was fine is now unreliable just because
I think it is understandable. I mean the OP alr elaborated what he meant.
 
I consider this more consistent since it would take into account that Gojo would need rest in their eyes a body requires 48 to 72 hours of rest to recover to full after strength training, which should at least be comparable to the rest someone would require after powering an entire country in their view.
Gojo doesn’t require that, stood awake for a whole weekend and he’s a supernatural human.

You’ve extrapolated this from nothing in the manga.

Gojo would need to generate excess energy in limited active periods and rest between them in their eyes.
Where are you getting this from?
 
Gojo doesn’t require that, stood awake for a whole weekend and he’s a supernatural human.

You’ve extrapolated this from nothing in the manga.
I'm not denying that. But you are looking at this from the perspective as if the statement was made by someone who actually has info/knowledge on Gojo. The under secretrary has zero knowledge on Gojo. That argument doesn't stand because you are using things that the under secretary just doesn't know about, shifting the statement as if someone like Gege himself said it.
Where are you getting this from?
Pure logic. In their eyes gojo doesn't have infinite stamina. In the recordings they see, they literally would have seen sorcerers get tired after short fights. They have no reason to assume Gojo specficially has infinite stamina. And if they are planning/saying that Gojo powers an entire nation with enough CE "for a lifetime". Unless Gojo has infinite stamina in their eyes, he would need to take rests everytime he's tired. Gojo isn't a generator that needs no rest while constantly outputting country powering power, at least in their eyes, so excess energy would need to exist and be powering the country while he rests.

(Sorry if I clarify too much "in their eyes", it's just to get the point across that yes I know about six eyes and stuff, it just doesn't work here because from the secretary's perspective Gojo doesn't have that)
 
I'm not denying that. But you are looking at this from the perspective as if the statement was made by someone who actually has info/knowledge on Gojo. The under secretrary has zero knowledge on Gojo. That argument doesn't stand because you are using things that the under secretary just doesn't know about, shifting the statement as if someone like Gege himself said it.
It’s a more logical conclusion as they singled Gojo out as a guy who can power a nation alone. Is it not more likely Kenjaku, the guy who wants them to go into Japan for the cg, told them Gojo can’t run out of energy so that America, a country with energy problems, would have a greater incentive to capture sorcerers?

But let’s discard that as the conclusion, you still have nothing to explain the timeframe you’ve chosen as I said Gojo isn’t a regular human.

You’re merging the two statements also. Gojo’s is about powering a nation, the other is about any sorcerer producing energy for a lifetime.

It is far more likely that they came to this idea off Kenjaku than just seeing fights without context.
 
It’s a more logical conclusion as they singled Gojo out as a guy who can power a nation alone. Is it not more likely Kenjaku, the guy who wants them to go into Japan for the cg, told them Gojo can’t run out of energy so that America, a country with energy problems, would have a greater incentive to capture sorcerers?
So it's more logical to assume they just somehow know about Gojo's theoretically infinite CE, despite not even knowing about CE at first..? Or the fact that they didn't even know Gojo's name and he just called him "the guy with white hair"? I really, really don't think so.
As for the Kenjaku idea, I highly doubt that, we see in the manga how Kenjaku had just started explaining what Cursed Energy and Sorcerers even are. Why would he say "Oh this random white hair guy has infinite CE" before even explaining what CE is first. This seems like a huge stretch.
But let’s discard that as the conclusion, you still have nothing to explain the timeframe you’ve chosen as I said Gojo isn’t a regular human.
I have the idea that the people doing said statement are normal humans. Who's only view on sorcerers are short fights where they get tired/run out of CE in minutes. So why would he assume their stamina is, as you said "being able to stay awake for a weekend while constantly outputting country powering CE"? I used the 48 and 72 hours because it's the best we can assume via their knowledge. 1 second is ridiculous, no questions there. And unless you think they would have Gojo trapped and locked like those Goku in the time chamber videos while somehow giving him rest, they have no reason to assume he can even output said energy for more than minutes, less than an hour at a time, considering what they see on the recording.
You’re merging the two statements also. Gojo’s is about powering a nation, the other is about any sorcerer producing energy for a lifetime.
Said statements are directly connected and one after the other, and the context is that the secretary uses the lifetime point as a reason as to why the president should go through with abducting them. Their plan is: Abducting Sorcerers -> Using them for lifetime energy; Gojo powering a country by himself would logically be connected to this as he's one of the sorcerers.
It is far more likely that they came to this idea off Kenjaku than just seeing fights without context.
I already said why this doesn't work on the first point but let me add the fact that Gojo was sealed at this time and Kenjaku obviously knew this, why would he use Gojo as the main-selling point while he's 'out of commission'.
 
As for the Kenjaku idea, I highly doubt that, we see in the manga how Kenjaku had just started explaining what Cursed Energy and Sorcerers even are. Why would he say "Oh this random white hair guy has infinite CE" before even explaining what CE is first. This seems like a huge stretch.
He explains ce before the viewing so what are you saying? It makes perfect sense while they viewed the footage Kenjaku likely floated the idea Gojo's the strongest and has endless ce, but again it really doesn't matter if you believe this.

I have the idea that the people doing said statement are normal humans. Who's only view on sorcerers are short fights where they get tired/run out of CE in minutes. So why would he assume their stamina is, as you said "being able to stay awake for a weekend while constantly outputting country powering CE"? I used the 48 and 72 hours because it's the best we can assume via their knowledge. 1 second is ridiculous, no questions there. And unless you think they would have Gojo trapped and locked like those Goku in the time chamber videos, they have no reason to assume he can even output said energy for more than minutes, less than an hour, considering what they see on the recording.
It really doesn't matter what you assume they have knowledge on. The argument still makes no sense holistically. We're the readers calcing this, we know that the assumption 48&72hrs does not follow the story's blatant demonstration of Gojo's superior stamina to humans.

Said statements are directly connected and one after the other, and the context is that the secretary uses the lifetime point as a reason as to why the president should go through with abducting them. Their plan is: Abducting Sorcerers -> Using them for lifetime energy; Gojo powering a country by himself would logically be connected to this as he's one of the sorcerers.
They are connected in the same way two sentences discussing a general topic are, but they are not talking about the same specific subject. But Gojo's is specifically singling him out for powering a nation alone. The other is about sorcerers simply producing energy for a life time.

I already said why this doesn't work on the first point but let me add the fact that Gojo was sealed at this time and Kenjaku obviously knew this, why would he use Gojo as the main-selling point while he's 'out of commission'.
Because he wants them to be incentivized to invade Japan. The guy's been lying and hiding his intentions and scheming the whole manga but somehow its impossible for you to believe he'd lied? Again, its not important because your numbers don't follow what we actually know about Gojo.

And furthermore, if you truly believe the two statements are connected, why are you only presenting this for Gojo and not sorcerers in general? With your logic, this isn't about Gojo, it's about lifetime energy production for sorcerers in general, the nation statement isn't specific to Gojo.
 
He explains ce before the viewing so what are you saying? It makes perfect sense while they viewed the footage Kenjaku likely floated the idea Gojo's the strongest and has endless ce, but again it really doesn't matter if you believe this.
Oh you mean during the viewing. My bad I misinterpreted your point. However, I still doubt that. The only reason Kenjaku even shows them said recordings is to show them the CT and CS in action. He has no reason to talk there and if something as important as that was said it would probably be shown. This is even supported by the fact that the president even after the viewing had no idea what the whole point of the recording was until the secretary told him.

And this whole point is more of an assumption than just... not making up stuff? There's no reason to assume Kenjaku told them that other than to use it as a way of debunking the feat, which kinda shows the intention here is more so debunking the idea of the feat rather than just looking at what the narrative shows, no offense, you are running on unsupported stuff.
It really doesn't matter what you assume they have knowledge on. The argument still makes no sense holistically. We're the readers calcing this, we know that the assumption 48&72hrs does not follow the story's blatant demonstration of Gojo's superior stamina to humans.
Huh? How does the knowledge of the person doing the statement not matter when interpreting the meaning of the statement???? The secretary isn't making a statement to the viewers or something, he's making it to the president. This point makes no sense. And the "readers knowing" means nothing, if the guy saying the statement just doesn't know.
They are connected in the same way two sentences discussing a general topic are, but they are not talking about the same specific subject. But Gojo's is specifically singling him out for powering a nation alone. The other is about sorcerers simply producing energy for a life time.
Gojo powering the country is still part of main point, that being that they want to use the sorcerers for a complete energy independence for a lifetime. Gojo powering a country by himself would be irrelevant as a point if they were talking about "short periods of time" specially when they literally know there's very few sorcerers because, well, Kenjaku literally tells them. So they'd run out of sorcerers easily at this point for "complete energy independence" lol.
Because he wants them to be incentivized to invade Japan. The guy's been lying and hiding his intentions and scheming the whole manga but somehow its impossible for you to believe he'd lied? Again, its not important because your numbers don't follow what we actually know about Gojo.
And when they'd ask him where Gojo is since they would much prefer abducting someone like him first...? Kenjaku is very intelligent, for him to make such an easy mistake like this and talk about the guy that they literally can't get is stupid.
Also do you not see the amount of stretches you have to do to get the "1 second" conclusion? We are making up stuff that literally isn't said in the story ever for the sake of debunking a feat, instead of simply using what's shown. How is this interpretation any less of a stretch than what I'm doing (simply using what the story shows...?)
And furthermore, if you truly believe the two statements are connected, why are you only presenting this for Gojo and not sorcerers in general? With your logic, this isn't about Gojo, it's about lifetime energy production for sorcerers in general, the nation statement isn't specific to Gojo.
Because the whole point is that Gojo could do one nation by himself. A group of sorcerers can do the same as Gojo yes but together. They all can product said lifetime energy, however only one of them can produce such a high amount by himself, that being Gojo.


Explaining the main point:
  • They plan for sorcerers to replace every type of energy for a life time
  • They single out Gojo as a special one because he can do an entire nation by himself. The wording itself is implying that, yes, others can do it but not by themselves, as they don't have as much CE Output as Gojo.


I do want an answer on how you see your interpretation as less of an assumption than mine by the way.
  • My "interpretation" Is simply: Person with 0 shown knowledge about six eyes, and simply sees sorceres getting tired after minutes of using CE says Gojo can power the entire country after seeing the recording.
  • Yours is that said person somehow got a off-screen knowledge about six eyes that allowed him to understand that Gojo has infinite stamina, and for some reason by Kenjaku himself, the guy who knows they can't have Gojo eitherway.
How is yours my reasonable can you please explain?
 
Wouldn't it be better to use the amount of time Gojo is canonically stated to sleep for? Gege gave a detailed schedule of Gojo's day-to-day life, and he sleeps every day, but just for very little time (Only a couple hours at most IIRC). I could find the scan if that would alleviate any issues here.
 
Wouldn't it be better to use the amount of time Gojo is canonically stated to sleep for? Gege gave a detailed schedule of Gojo's day-to-day life, and he sleeps every day, but just for very little time (Only a couple hours at most IIRC). I could find the scan if that would alleviate any issues here.
My issue with this is the fact that, yea, us the viewers know this. The under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment doesn't and has absolutely no reason to assume Gojo just rests fully in such a short time or that his CE is basically limitless, so yes, while this is information we know:

When analyzing a statement we kinda have to take into account who's doing it.
 
Wouldn't it be better to use the amount of time Gojo is canonically stated to sleep for? Gege gave a detailed schedule of Gojo's day-to-day life, and he sleeps every day, but just for very little time (Only a couple hours at most IIRC). I could find the scan if that would alleviate any issues here.
It was 3 hours
 
It was 3 hours

Thanks.
My issue with this is the fact that, yea, us the viewers know this. The under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment doesn't and has absolutely no reason to assume Gojo just rests fully in such a short time or that his CE is basically limitless, so yes, while this is information we know:

When analyzing a statement we kinda have to take into account who's doing it.
I agree with that, but it would help cease your debate with Arkenis if acknowledged imo. Cuz Arkenis argues as if Gojo has infinite stamina, when we know he canonically sleeps, and exactly for how long cuz we know his normal schedule (and have seen him sleeping in-universe).
 
To power the whole nation wouldn't he just have to match the energy consumption per second of the country? Why are you making the assumption that in one second he outputs multiple days of consumption?
 
To power the whole nation wouldn't he just have to match the energy consumption per second of the country? Why are you making the assumption that in one second he outputs multiple days of consumption?
Imo, I think it should be assumed they give a days worth of output in 21 hours, as Gojo needs to sleep 3 hours a day. He couldn't maintain 24/7 output. Which means the output per second would be higher as he's giving 24 hours worth of energy in 21 hours (Tho realistically it should be a bit less than 21 hours, but eh)
 
To power the whole nation wouldn't he just have to match the energy consumption per second of the country? Why are you making the assumption that in one second he outputs multiple days of consumption?
To quote myself during the thread:
"My point is that Gojo can not simply output 1KT of TNT for every second of his life, the current calc being used completely ignores the fact that stamina exists. Why would the under secretary for the U.S Office of Energy and Enviroment, who moments ago had no idea about CE, assume via Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc recordings (where Gojo barely uses any attacks) that Gojo can output the same thing he's doing every single second of his life without getting tired at all. For Gojo to power the entire country for long periods of time (in this case a "LIFETIME" according to them) he would need to generate excess energy so he could recover in-between each output."

To put it in simpler words
I'm saying the statement is about Gojo powering the country for long periods of time ("A LIFETIME"), something that would be impossible for him to do it every single second unless they knew he had infinite stamina, which they don't. So Gojo would need to produce excess energy so the country can keep having energy while he rests in their eyes. So it's fairer to assume that, in their eyes, Gojo's power can last 2-3 days while he fully regains back his stamina.
 
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