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Kamen Rider Na-Go vs Priscilla Barielle: Pawns of Love (1-0-7) RESET (INCON GRACE)

Mb, it was more of an assumption rather than anything. Still, (correct me if I'm wrong) but it all comes down to whether her intuition can come fast enough for her to figure out the music forcibly makes her dance. Actually, with that info in mind, she has to be very careful not to slip up as even a note she hears will cause her to start dancing.
She doesn't need to know all that necessarily, just that it is a threat she needs to avoid. Detecting threats and knowing how great of a threat they are is pretty standard stuff for anyone in Re:Zero, let alone Priscilla.
It also doesn't help that Na-Go can buff her summon, which is already faster than her, giving Priscilla far more pressure than usual.
Sure, and that might be a bit of a problem, except she can tank about a dozen lethal blows and can just nuke the area before that happens if she has to. Putting more pressure on her just makes that more likely to happen imo and almost makes me want to switch my vote to Priscilla.
 
She doesn't need to know all that necessarily, just that it is a threat she needs to avoid. Detecting threats and knowing how great of a threat they are is pretty standard stuff for anyone in Re:Zero, let alone Priscilla.
Fine, I'll give that the benefit of the doubt, but even knowing via intuition isn't a get out of jail card for her hax since it'd be on constantly from the start of the match onwards. Fun fact, Na-Go does all of the above.

Sure, and that might be a bit of a problem, except she can tank about a dozen lethal blows and can just nuke the area before that happens if she has to. Putting more pressure on her just makes that more likely to happen imo and almost makes me want to switch my vote to Priscilla.
I think we've established earlier that the goal is to open a window so that she'll be vulnerable to the broadway force, and would have no choice but to dance till she gets killed since she won't ever be able to defend herself once she gets affected. That's Boostriker's job, and it can be resummoned at any point, even when destroyed.
Also, Na-Go's chest armor can maximise sound to blow shit away, so trying to nuke her ass would just get blown away without any issues. The Gravity Manip will displace her right where Na-Go wants her to be, and she won't just be a sitting duck throughout, since she can fight while playing these sounds.

Fire's off the table, but Ice and Lightning will prove to be a problem for Priscilla. Lightning can hit her due to how AoE it is, and any item that has already been frozen by her ice attack also freezes the opponent. Neon has more than what it takes to face her.
 
Hearing sound that doesn't damage anything can go a lot of ways. It could be to buff herself, to debuff the enemy, among other things. Won't be easy to deduct that this ability is before it's too late.
thats the entire point of intuition
That could work... If it actually incorporated any of those three. The fact that Broadway Force needs its own page means this is neither mind, body nor soul manip in any sort of way.
you literally said it requires hearing
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Mb, it was more of an assumption rather than anything. Still, (correct me if I'm wrong) but it all comes down to whether her intuition can come fast enough for her to figure out the music forcibly makes her dance. Actually, with that info in mind, she has to be very careful not to slip up as even a note she hears will cause her to start dancing. It also doesn't help that Na-Go can buff her summon, which is already faster than her, giving Priscilla far more pressure than usual.
SIrius's authority is better than this and she was unaffected by it 😭
 
Fine, I'll give that the benefit of the doubt, but even knowing via intuition isn't a get out of jail card for her hax since it'd be on constantly from the start of the match onwards. Fun fact, Na-Go does all of the above.


I think we've established earlier that the goal is to open a window so that she'll be vulnerable to the broadway force, and would have no choice but to dance till she gets killed since she won't ever be able to defend herself once she gets affected. That's Boostriker's job, and it can be resummoned at any point, even when destroyed.
Also, Na-Go's chest armor can maximise sound to blow shit away, so trying to nuke her ass would just get blown away without any issues. The Gravity Manip will displace her right where Na-Go wants her to be,
she can cut gravity magic as its part of yin magic
and she won't just be a sitting duck throughout, since she can fight while playing these sounds.

Fire's off the table, but Ice and Lightning will prove to be a problem for Priscilla.
ice is literally fire magic and flow users have a resistance to extreme temperatures, Lightning magic also exists
Lightning can hit her due to how AoE it is, and any item that has already been frozen by her ice attack also freezes the opponent. Neon has more than what it takes to face her.
Lightning is...Aoe? well either way she could just cut it
 
you literally said it requires hearing
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What does hearing sound have to do with mind, body and soul manip? It just makes you dance and be a part of a musical or something. I'd fold if it literally had mind, body or soul manip in there, but yeah.

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SIrius's authority is better than this and she was unaffected by it 😭
Now that's just comparing apples to oranges. Sirius' shit and Na-Go's are completely different in how they work.

she can cut gravity magic as its part of yin magic
Not sure if she can just cut it ngl, since the gravity manip is just on the ground while trying to cut the spotlight beam is kinda redundant. This is how that shit works.

ice is literally fire magic and flow users have a resistance to extreme temperatures, Lightning magic also exists
You could've just said flow method resists extreme temperature, ice being fire almost got me raising an eyebrow.
Anyways, how much cold can they resist? The scan just looks like they resist normal cold or some shit. Even if she's somehow able to deal with Na-Go's Ice manip, she still finna be damaged.

Lightning is...Aoe? well either way she could just cut it
Not Sasuke Kirin AOE level, but branches of lightning like this. While they are perfectly cuttable, there's a lot to cut.

Btw with all this cutting args thrown about, she has a lot to cutting to do. Wouldn't that just mean she's more susceptible to getting backdoored by broadway force while she's busy trying to defend herself from like 4 to 5 shit at once? All the while Na-Go can continuously spam this shit without losing out on anything.
 
What does hearing sound have to do with mind, body and soul manip? It just makes you dance and be a part of a musical or something. I'd fold if it literally had mind, body or soul manip in there, but yeah.
hearing is a physical sense, and she is affecting her body which is smth Sirius can literally do. It isnt that complicated, if she can resist a much more potent, abstract and better version than she can obviously resist a simpler ability too, you just need to apply a little bit of common sense and logic to see the reason why that is the case

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Now that's just comparing apples to oranges. Sirius' shit and Na-Go's are completely different in how they work.
watch episode 2 of season 3 of Re:Zero, Sirius has a better version of Nago's ability
Not sure if she can just cut it ngl, since the gravity manip is just on the ground while trying to cut the spotlight beam is kinda redundant.
gravity is a force, priscilla can cut dimensions or space, she can also cut magic, yin magic includes gravity manipulation.
that is NEVER going to work, Priscilla would intercept his guitar, slash it in two and burn him up while he swings it
You could've just said flow method resists extreme temperature, ice being fire almost got me raising an eyebrow.
in rz, fire magic is essentially heat manipulation
Not Sasuke Kirin AOE level, but branches of lightning like this. While they are perfectly cuttable, there's a lot to cut.

Btw with all this cutting args thrown about, she has a lot to cutting to do. Wouldn't that just mean she's more susceptible to getting backdoored by broadway force while she's busy trying to defend herself from like 4 to 5 shit at once? All the while Na-Go can continuously spam this shit without losing out on anything.
if you were trying to post a link it didnt work, also nago only uses one ability at a time. nowhere does he spam 4 or 5 at once.
 
Btw with all this cutting args thrown about, she has a lot to cutting to do. Wouldn't that just mean she's more susceptible to getting backdoored by broadway force while she's busy trying to defend herself from like 4 to 5 shit at once? All the while Na-Go can continuously spam this shit without losing out on anything.
Again, putting this much pressure on her just means she's gonna nuke the area. Need I remind you it's both power nullifying and selectively intangible, so I'm sorry, but blowing it back is not gonna work.

Like, sure, it's a lot to deal with. Maybe it would overwhelm Priscilla. But at the end of the day Priscilla can shut all of it down and end the match at once with a single swing of the Yang sword. That's why it's still an incon, if not in favor of Priscilla.
 
Again, putting this much pressure on her just means she's gonna nuke the area. Need I remind you it's both power nullifying and selectively intangible, so I'm sorry, but blowing it back is not gonna work.
Like, sure, it's a lot to deal with. Maybe it would overwhelm Priscilla. But at the end of the day Priscilla can shut all of it down and end the match at once with a single swing of the Yang sword. That's why it's still an incon, if not in favor of Priscilla.
Ok gonna address the intangible part.
Non-Physical Interaction (ConceptType 1】, History, Story, Soul, Ego, Will/Consciousness, Physiology, Memory/Data/InformationType 2】& EnergyQuantum level】; Riders are able to physically hold their Rider power in their hands and turn them into Ridewatches, which contain their concept, history, story, soul, ego, will, mind, physiology, memory/data/information, quantum energy)
Yea, Na-Go's attacks and whatnot can interact with her sword, so that's not gonna fly. Also, doesn't her power null rely on her cutting through shit with her sword? Sure, the part she cuts will be gone, but then there's more coming her way. If she can't get an attack on Na-Go, she's doomed sooner or later. With the NPI in mind, Na-Go can defend herself better by blocking with her axe, or better yet, dodging tf out of there. Priscilla's problem is that she can't stop cutting, not even for a second. Trying to swing all in is very dangerous for her if she fails, since it leaves herself open from other directions than the one she's slashing. Trying to slash her surroundings? Neon's above her in the air while she's in mid-swing. She can also attack under her opponents by creating energy projections to knock Priscilla up into the air. All the while, Boostriker, who shares Na-Go's skill, can provide backup in the fight. One swing isn't going to end this, and might even be a detriment, since you need multiple cuts in quick succession to deal with Na-Go's shit.

Hell, doesn't her Yang Sword have terrible mana consumption? She can't maintain it for long then. Na-Go can go for as long as she needs without any worry of losing on resources.

hearing is a physical sense, and she is affecting her body which is smth Sirius can literally do. It isnt that complicated, if she can resist a much more potent, abstract and better version than she can obviously resist a simpler ability too, you just need to apply a little bit of common sense and logic to see the reason why that is the case
I just rechecked both Priscilla's and Sirius's stuff, and that's wildly deviating from what Na-Go does. The only thing Priscilla covers is empathic manip, and even then Na-Go finds out fast she can't calm her opponent down. Let me list this shit down.

Mind Manip of Sirius by brainwashing, which Priscilla resists? Na-Go doesn't affect the mind. Priscilla will have her mind be untouched while she dances.
Soul Manip? Besides music figuratively touching one's soul, no, there is no literal interaction with the soul.

So I'm just going to bunch that up with your other statement.
watch episode 2 of season 3 of Re:Zero, Sirius has a better version of Nago's ability
I mean, I agree that Sirius has overall better hax than Na-Go, but then again, you're comparing two wildly different abilities. Broadway Force just makes people dance. It's simple as. It has nothing to do with the abilities Sirius has that Priscilla resists.

gravity is a force, priscilla can cut dimensions or space, she can also cut magic, yin magic includes gravity manipulation.
She gotta cut 360 degrees for that tho. Which, while it isn't impossible, she's going to be hit by something else as she tries to do so

that is NEVER going to work, Priscilla would intercept his guitar, slash it in two and burn him up while he swings it
Forgor to address that the 'charge up' time is considerably faster from then onwards cuz the one with the longer strumming time is from her debut, so...
Also, can she afford to try and intercept her without getting broadway forced? She can also immediately strum something else like knocking her upwards or dragging her ass else where with the gravity. If she's committing to one certain slash, she's susceptible to other attacks unless she tries to address them too.

in rz, fire magic is essentially heat manipulation
Ok I guess? I figure there's bound to be a threshold for how many degrees they can resist.

if you were trying to post a link it didnt work, also nago only uses one ability at a time. nowhere does he spam 4 or 5 at once.
Ok here's the link. I goofed up on that.
Anyways, she can actually use 4 abilities at the same time! One from her chest, which is passive after initial activation onwards. Second from her Beat Axe, which you are right about being only able to use either ice, fire, lightning or gravity at a time. Third from the Boostriker (which isn't really an ability but ehhh), and lastly from her legs, which can either help her kick well with acceleration or manoeuvre elsewhere, either to reposition from Priscilla's attack or anything else.

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It's not really overhyped but Satella is just pulling bs out of his ass. It has no bearing on the effect of Na-Go's broadway force.
Yeah that's what I'm saying lel, I feel like Satella arguments are too big of stretch regarding Sirius authority
 
ngl Sirius doesn't even have anything to do with Na-Go
To be fair, Priscilla major resistance was came from Sirius so I get the arguments, the problem is it got stretched further and forcing the "muh logic" on it wherehas it's doesn't make sense in first place which was about the hearing = abstract shenanigans things that Satella said
 
I'm honestly torn, both sides have the strong arguments (except the hearing = abstract shit which Priscilla resist), but at the same time going with incon feels too early so I need to see more further debate later
 
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