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Steve vs Sukuna

Here ya go ;p (The quality could be better if I were willing to torrent, but I have no VPN, so I ain't doing allat)
 
GAGGamerTheOverlord said:
so Steven is a player, we assume the most skilled and strongest players according to the SBA (or at least that's what I read in a thread, correct me if I'm wrong) so Steven could use Mace + Elytra + rockets in an unhealthy way, Steven can the one shot an iron golem with a duration greater than 15 kilotons and use the crystals from the endings that one shot a player in netherite compe
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I want to reiterate that, Steven has several options in one shot
 
Yeah I feel like Steve wins this one

Due to prep time Steve can have already stacked
  • Potion of Regeneration (and Potion of the Turtle Master if it's necessary)
  • Enchanted Golden Apples
  • Beacon Effects like Resistance and Regen (They would get destroyed by MS but the effects remain active for like 17s so it doesn't matter)
  • Damage Reducement due to Thorns
Plus Steve's equipment durability already being 2x above Sukuna and has Totems of Undying
Also if you wanna be cheeky Steve can just use a prepped ender pearl statis chamber to teleport out of the domain's range

If the argument really is MS > 2x Sukuna's AP, how is Sukuna gonna survive the reflected damage? Gotta prove Sukuna could replicate Gojo's RCT regen speed while in a form even weaker than the one that's apparently 2x weaker than Gojo while getting hit with supposedly millions-billions of cuts. We already know how big of a gap 2x can be in JJK from ISBoDK Mahito vs Yuji.

I could see Sukuna changing the sure-hit of the second MS to target only objects so he can pop a divine flame safely but there's still totem of undying. Plus due to prep time Steve should have respawn anchors set up (they aren't game mechanics since their respawning system is canonical) to just come back into the fight with full equipment & health four times lol

Even if it was Megkuna, Steve has multiple ways to one shot Mahoraga so it's Adaptation wouldn't really become a problem

This is not even mentioning the potion effect shenanigans or Steve spamming Withers. If Sukuna doesn't frame 1 MS I'm pretty sure he's getting end crystal pvp'ed

Due to prep time you could argue Steve just goes into the fight invisible and goes to stealth kill Sukuna with one of his numerous one shot options too
I didn't mean to type this long for an argument I was about to go do calc stuff lol
 
Lilybitdun said:
If the argument really is MS > 2x Sukuna's AP, how is Sukuna gonna survive the reflected damage? Gotta prove Sukuna could replicate Gojo's RCT regen speed while in a form even weaker than the one that's apparently 2x weaker than Gojo while getting hit with supposedly millions-billions of cuts. We already know how big of a gap 2x can be in JJK from ISBoDK Mahito vs Yuji.
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The argument isn't that MS >2x Sukuna's AP. The argument is that Gojo who is over 2x Sukuna's AP would've been cut to pieces by it instantly if he didn't have cracked RCT. And that's because cuts attack a small surface area, not because the slashes are 2x Sukuna's AP. Reduced damage from it being his own CE (plus apparently the fact that thorns only reflects post damage reduction damage) means he should be able to endure the cuts quite nicely, and is stated to have some of the best RCT in-verse, so he should be able to heal up from super mitigated attacks of his own.

Not arguing Sukuna wins btw, nor do I plan to vote. I mostly just came to elaborate on the MS stuff since people seemed misinformed about it.
 
Although Steven really climbs more than 15 kilotons, the truth is that I don't want to get involved in JJK issues either, so I only put Steven's cards
 
LaserPrecision said:
Here ya go ;p (The quality could be better if I were willing to torrent, but I have no VPN, so I ain't doing allat)
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Just my take on this
cuz it's really weird this has been construed as a broad physical increase but, the context is about the users capacity within the domain's expansion of the technique. Domains create an environment for the expansion of the tech not to increase one's physical ability.

Gojo says "One of them is a status increase caused by environmental factors"
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一つは
環境要因による
ステータス上昇
ゲームの「バフ」みたいなもんだね

And we see this in Megumi the best. Reggie points out how the domain has increased Megumi's cursed technique performance.
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"The increase in spellcasting performance due to the domain is insane!!"

領域による術式性能の上昇が半端じゃないな!!

But that's irrelevant overall. Steve has ways of evading MS like digging underground with an enchanted shovel, popping a totem or golden apple, albeit can take time, but Steve can also just pop these before the domain. Just thought about it, but Steve could also teleport away with a couple ender pearl throws which I think would be pretty funny.

I'll vote for Steve here since he's got good enough fire resistance and has several ways of surviving Sukuna's big attacks and killing him.
 
Arkenis said:
But that's irrelevant overall. Steve has ways of evading MS like digging underground with an enchanted shovel, popping a totem or golden apple, albeit can take time, but Steve can also just pop these before the domain. Just thought about it, but Steve could also teleport away with a couple ender pearl throws which I think would be pretty funny.
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All those items would be destroyed by Malevolent Shrine. He'd have to dig with his hand. Ender Pearl would get destroyed the moment he pulls it out, etc.
 
He wouldn't even know about DE. I doubt he's popping counters to DE before it even comes out. Only thing I see him popping is a golden apple, because that's useful in general. Which ain't gonna help much when it comes to MS.
 
Lilybitdun said:
Why wasn't Gojo naked after getting hit by MS then
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Because it's manga? Idk, Gege doesn't want Gojo fighting Sukuna with his dih out. It's like asking why Sukuna's clothes survived two Hollow Purples despite said Hollow Purples having the AP to literally vaporize his limbs. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if RCT also recovered clothes. But this is just a common fiction trope. Look at what happens to every other inanimate object inside of MS. Look what happened to the clothes of people in Shibuya when they got their bodies and clothes chopped into micro dust particles.
 
So, Steven escapes from the domain in several ways, he has resurrection plus regeneration plus the fact that it seems that Steven happens to the same thing as Gojo in Sukuna's domain.
He prepared himself with possible traps and his mastery of weapons and resistance to certain things that Sukuna uses, gives the advantage to Steven.
 
GAGGamerTheOverlord said:
So, Steven escapes from the domain in several ways
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I'd only say 1, which is digging straight down with his hand since any pickaxe would get destroyed. But I doubt Sukuna is going to stand there and let him mine down. Plus Sukuna can just make Malevolent Shrine target everything beneath it. He restricted it from cutting beneath it IIRC. So I dunno if digging down works or not. Ender Pearl gets destroyed from MS.
 
I don't think Steve's fire resistance effects stack up enough to survive a High 7-C Divine Flame, he would likely need to use a totem of undying or a respawn
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Sukuna fire is multiple times above Steve's dura
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With max enchants, Steve can absorb 80% of the damage from attacks
The formula for damage reduction by explosions is (8 × level)%, meaning that for every additional level another 8% of the damage is negated. The highest level (Blast Protection IV) absorbs 32% of the damage inflicted by any explosion.

Damage reduction from Protection, Fire Protection, Feather Falling, Blast Protection and Projectile Protection stacks up to an upper limit cap of 80% (see armor enchantments). Any further damage reduction that would normally be applied is instead ignored. This cap can be reached with 10 combined levels of Blast Protection on the player's armor, or by combining 12 levels of Protection with 4 levels of Blast Protection.
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Steve will only be getting hit by 97.4 kilotons, and given the fact that he can take attacks from characters that are able to destroy objects durable enough to no-sell 38.50 kilotons, I don't think Divine Flame will be doing much.
 
He'd have to be hit point blank for it to be h7c, otherwise he's just tanking it.
Really need to get this clarified on page
 
Arkenis said:
He'd have to be hit point blank for it to be h7c, otherwise he's just tanking it.
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This is for any explosion attack, the thing is, no one notes that this is an weakness foi being too obvious

Steve is inside the domain. He ain't missing anyway
Kachon123 said:
With max enchants, Steve can absorb 80% of the damage from attacks

Steve will only be getting hit by 97.4 kilotons, and given the fact that he can take attacks from characters that are able to destroy objects durable enough to no-sell 38.50 kilotons, I don't think Divine Flame will be doing much.
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I don't think we can use game mechanics, otherwise even zombies would be 7-C by damaging full diamond Steve
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
This is for any explosion attack, the thing is, no one notes that this is an weakness foi being too obvious

Steve is inside the domain. He ain't missing anyway
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But everyone forgets for Sukuna.

This fight gets funnier every time I realize Steve has counters, he'll just slap the arrow away like he does with ghasts.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Way to completely strawman my argument. I said why would he use counters to MS despite not knowing MS exists. Why would he teleport away 200 meters from Sukuna before Sukuna even uses it. He wouldn't, because he doesn't know about MS, or anything about it. Don't be obtuse.
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When I said popping, that's in reference to the apple and totem, you already agreed with the apple, I see no reason he doesn't use totem as well. You're focused on the pearl when its just a funny thought I had.
 
Arkenis said:
When I said popping, that's in reference to the apple and totem, you already agreed with the apple, I see no reason he doesn't use totem as well. You're focused on the pearl when its just a funny thought I had.
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Okay, and the only way Totem would be useful would be if it were against attacks that aren't MS. MS would just shred Totem to pieces, as well as the apple. But outside of MS, Steve isn't in much trouble. So like, yeah, he can use Totem. Just not inside of MS. Which is what I was talking about, and when he would actually need it.
 
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