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Welcome to my latest work, where we review the famous, popular, and incredible... Gibbon... What? Don't you know who he is? Don't worry, no one else does.
Well... Current profile - New profile (Before CTR) - New Profile+ (Based on the CTR)
We have a lot of changes, so let's take it slow.
Cosmetic Changes
Profile Pictures and quotes: Gibbon's appearance changes over time, not only because of the change of artists, but according to Marvel Apes, over time Gibbon began to grow hair all over his body, and stopped wearing the suit. As for his quotes... He doesn't have any quotes on his profile, so I gave him one per picture.
Summary: I change the summary so that it explains his entire story relatively vaguely (it's short and already finished, so there's room for it)
P&A: So... Gibbon is a mutant (hinted at in Marvel Apes 1 and apparently confirmed in "All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #4" according to Marvel wiki), he should get the resistances that all mutans gets ... But no mutant profile seems to show the universal resistances yet, so for consistency I haven't put them in; Other than that, I improved the acrobatics explanation a little, and addedLimited Information Analysis and Mind Control Resistance (See reasons in the profile)
Now the most important part:
TIERING:
AP & DURABILITY
So... The original profile scales Gibbon with Spiderman... I don't think that's consistent.
To prove it, here are all of Gibbon's fights, and how they turned out (No scans, but the name of the comic and the number in which it takes place):
The profile uses 2 moments to escalate Gibbon with Spiderman:
Edit: Based on @Tllmbrg's arguments, Gibbon moves on to simply Downscaling Spider-Man
LS
Why not scale him to Spidey?
Because he doesn't have LS scaling with him, only with a Kraven with a broken arm, and the dubious feat mentioned in AP .
And he has antifeats (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) 59-60).
SPEED
He always ends up being unable to catch Spider-Man when they fight, so he doesn't scale with the wall-crawler, but he can scale Kraven
(he was able to fight on equal terms with Kraven (the broken arm shouldn't affect his speed perception)
And as a backup, he has feats of dodging bullets.
THE REST
The Kravens (LS only)
The original Kraven would scale to LS directly, while the Last Son scales from the first.
But it depends on whether this is not an outlier for them Or the fact that Kraven used a technique to maintain the bid an this detract from the feat, Or that in the end the effects of the herbs caught up with Gibbon and we could no longer see them struggle.
(SamanPatou was the one who overhauled Kraven's profile, so I think his opinion would be especially important in this part)
That's all!.
Welcome to my latest work, where we review the famous, popular, and incredible... Gibbon... What? Don't you know who he is? Don't worry, no one else does.
Well... Current profile - New profile (Before CTR) - New Profile+ (Based on the CTR)
We have a lot of changes, so let's take it slow.
Cosmetic Changes
Profile Pictures and quotes: Gibbon's appearance changes over time, not only because of the change of artists, but according to Marvel Apes, over time Gibbon began to grow hair all over his body, and stopped wearing the suit. As for his quotes... He doesn't have any quotes on his profile, so I gave him one per picture.
Summary: I change the summary so that it explains his entire story relatively vaguely (it's short and already finished, so there's room for it)
P&A: So... Gibbon is a mutant (hinted at in Marvel Apes 1 and apparently confirmed in "All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #4" according to Marvel wiki), he should get the resistances that all mutans gets ... But no mutant profile seems to show the universal resistances yet, so for consistency I haven't put them in; Other than that, I improved the acrobatics explanation a little, and added
Now the most important part:
TIERING:
AP & DURABILITY
So... The original profile scales Gibbon with Spiderman... I don't think that's consistent.
To prove it, here are all of Gibbon's fights, and how they turned out (No scans, but the name of the comic and the number in which it takes place):
Gibbon vs Kraven (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 Issue 111): Stronger that Kraven, but he loses thanks to the mind control
Gibbon vs Spiderman (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 Issue 111): It starts with a surprise attack, and Gibbon initially overpowers Spider-man, but at the slightest opportunity, Spider-man One-Shots him.
Gibbon vs Spiderman 2 (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) 59): Inferior in every way, it is one-shotted again (Also cleary inferior to the Beetle)
Spider-Man revenge squad (Gibbon, Grizzly, Kangaroo & The Spot) vs Spiderman (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246): He managed to land a surprise attack that hurt Spider-Man, but Spider-Man didn't take the fight seriously at any point, and pretended to be unconscious in order to find out what they were planning... so basically nothing.
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs Kangaroo & The Spot (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246): Gibbon is blasted off screen by Kangaroo, Grizzly easily defeats Kangaroo, The Spot attacks Grizzly, but Gibbon appears by surprise and grabs The Spot's limbs through their portals, and Grizzly follows his example, defeating him... the only scaling here is surviving an attack by The Kangaroo, who should be inferior to Spider-Man (It should be noted that none of the characters mentioned have a profile.).
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs White Rabbit Gang (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 253): They lose off screen, in 256 Spiderman has to rescue them.
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs White Rabbit (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 256): Grizzly one shot White Rabbit,
Gibbon & a lot of villians, vs Jack Dio (Underworld (2006) 5): Gibbon is among the villains hired by the Owl to finish off Jack Dio (later called Underworld), however inside a prison hospital, Jack Dio shoots some oxygen tanks (I think), and causes an explosion, Jack survives without injuries, while the rest of the villains do not appear again in what remains of the number and series, however due to future appearances he obviously survived.
Gibbon, Spider-Monkey, Speedball & Ape X vs Doc Ook (Marvel Ape 1): Gibbon creates a plan where he distracts Doc Ook so that when he attacks, Speedball gets in the way and his metallic tentacles bounce back at him, knocking him out.
Gibbon vs Captain America (Ape)/ Baron Blood (Ape) (Marvel Ape 2): Gibbon tries to stop him, is immediately hit by the shield and saved by the Reed Richard of that dimension, although he dies.
Gibbon vs Speedball (Ape) (Marvel Ape 2): Oneshotted by Speedball
Gibbon vs Red Raven (Ape/Vampire) (Marvel Ape 3): We see Gibbon kick him, but none of the Apeverse characters have any notable feats for Gibbon to scale, also is not enought.
Gibbon vs Captain America (Ape)/ Baron Blood (Ape) (Marvel Ape 4): Gibbon attacks him with a large stake, but misses the heart, so Cap America/Baron Blood immediately subdues him easily, being saved by Ape X.
Gibbon VS Hunterbots (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 5 18 HU): He is unable to harm the Hunterbots, being chased by them until he finally died.
Note: There is more than one Gibbon, (in short, Kingsley has a business selling the identities and gear of retired or deceased minor villains in exchange for a cut of his clients' profits; Gibbon is one of those villains [appearing in the Goblin Nation event], this makes sense, considering that by this point Gibbon is a hero who no longer needs the costume [we're told since Marvel Ape that his hair started growing hair]). Therefore, these fights do not count:
Gibbon, Griffin, Shriek & Ruby Thursday vs Porcupine (Spider-Woman Volume 6 1)
Gibbon, White Rabbit, Squid: Swarm, Beardboardguy & Ox VS Spiderman & Deadpool (Spider-Man/Deadpool 9)
Gibbon vs Spiderman (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 Issue 111): It starts with a surprise attack, and Gibbon initially overpowers Spider-man, but at the slightest opportunity, Spider-man One-Shots him.
Gibbon vs Spiderman 2 (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) 59): Inferior in every way, it is one-shotted again (Also cleary inferior to the Beetle)
Spider-Man revenge squad (Gibbon, Grizzly, Kangaroo & The Spot) vs Spiderman (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246): He managed to land a surprise attack that hurt Spider-Man, but Spider-Man didn't take the fight seriously at any point, and pretended to be unconscious in order to find out what they were planning... so basically nothing.
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs Kangaroo & The Spot (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246): Gibbon is blasted off screen by Kangaroo, Grizzly easily defeats Kangaroo, The Spot attacks Grizzly, but Gibbon appears by surprise and grabs The Spot's limbs through their portals, and Grizzly follows his example, defeating him... the only scaling here is surviving an attack by The Kangaroo, who should be inferior to Spider-Man (It should be noted that none of the characters mentioned have a profile.).
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs White Rabbit Gang (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 253): They lose off screen, in 256 Spiderman has to rescue them.
Gibbon & Grizzly, vs White Rabbit (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 256): Grizzly one shot White Rabbit,
Gibbon & a lot of villians, vs Jack Dio (Underworld (2006) 5): Gibbon is among the villains hired by the Owl to finish off Jack Dio (later called Underworld), however inside a prison hospital, Jack Dio shoots some oxygen tanks (I think), and causes an explosion, Jack survives without injuries, while the rest of the villains do not appear again in what remains of the number and series, however due to future appearances he obviously survived.
Gibbon, Spider-Monkey, Speedball & Ape X vs Doc Ook (Marvel Ape 1): Gibbon creates a plan where he distracts Doc Ook so that when he attacks, Speedball gets in the way and his metallic tentacles bounce back at him, knocking him out.
Gibbon vs Captain America (Ape)/ Baron Blood (Ape) (Marvel Ape 2): Gibbon tries to stop him, is immediately hit by the shield and saved by the Reed Richard of that dimension, although he dies.
Gibbon vs Speedball (Ape) (Marvel Ape 2): Oneshotted by Speedball
Gibbon vs Red Raven (Ape/Vampire) (Marvel Ape 3): We see Gibbon kick him, but none of the Apeverse characters have any notable feats for Gibbon to scale, also is not enought.
Gibbon vs Captain America (Ape)/ Baron Blood (Ape) (Marvel Ape 4): Gibbon attacks him with a large stake, but misses the heart, so Cap America/Baron Blood immediately subdues him easily, being saved by Ape X.
Gibbon VS Hunterbots (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 5 18 HU): He is unable to harm the Hunterbots, being chased by them until he finally died.
Note: There is more than one Gibbon, (in short, Kingsley has a business selling the identities and gear of retired or deceased minor villains in exchange for a cut of his clients' profits; Gibbon is one of those villains [appearing in the Goblin Nation event], this makes sense, considering that by this point Gibbon is a hero who no longer needs the costume [we're told since Marvel Ape that his hair started growing hair]). Therefore, these fights do not count:
Gibbon, Griffin, Shriek & Ruby Thursday vs Porcupine (Spider-Woman Volume 6 1)
Gibbon, White Rabbit, Squid: Swarm, Beardboardguy & Ox VS Spiderman & Deadpool (Spider-Man/Deadpool 9)
The profile uses 2 moments to escalate Gibbon with Spiderman:
- Their first real fight (Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 Issue 111) where he does damage (it is the only time he consistently becomes a threat), but even here, the second Gibbon is distracted, Spiderman one-shots him, aside from that, Spiderman is taken by surprise by his new strength and his spider sense is warning him of Kraven's presence.
- The second occasion used is in (Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246), where Gibbon attacks Spiderman from behind, using all his strengh in one punch and they take the opportunity to defeat him.
- Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 245 - 246: There is two problem with this feat:
1.- Later Spiderman reveals that he never fainted, and was only pretending to find out what they were up to, never taking the group seriously.
2.- The idea of the group was the group of the losers, villains that had never been taken seriously by Spidey ... Including Kangoroo, someone that at this point its only feat is to hurt Gibbon with a missile and be defeated by Spider-Man twice without even touching him (I don't know about after, and nobody in the group has a profile; Literally apart from Spiderman, no character that Gibbon could try to scale has a profile.)
3.- Spiderman literally says that Gibbon and the Grizzly are his less-than deadly foe. He doesn't see them as a threat. - Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) 59-60: His entire appearance here consists of him losing his ego, and realizing that he's nowhere near Spider-Man's level, being easily dodged, his blows are stopped and he is knocked out with a casual punch (to the point that even Spiderman is surprised)
After that, while Spider-Man was fighting the beetle, it's made quite clear that Gibbon's presence was just a massive handicap for Spider-man.
The most notable thing is that Spider-Man was able to free three of his limbs, but Gibbon was only able to free the last one after the beetle's beam weakened the metal bond.
- Spectacular Spider-Man Vol 1 246 & 256: Gibbon and Grizzly are defeated off-screen by the White Rabbit Gang
- All Marvel Apes: He's always treated like a low-class guy, and upon entering the Monkeyverse, all he does is take a beating, or having to rely on his wits and luck to contribute (he can't really fight Doc Ook, he's defeated in 1 hit by Captain America, he's knocked out in 1 hit by Speedball, etc.). The important thing is mostly the fight against Doc Ook, because Spidermonkey is unable to recreate this feat of normal Spider-man, being probably inferior to Spider-man.
- Hunted: While characters like Vulture can at least move the Hunter-Bots, Gibbon is completely incapable of this, having to be inferior to him.
- Marvel Comics Presents Vol 3 4: Spider-Man Two-Shot Gibbon (he broke free from Gibbon's grasp by stepping on his foot and then threw his brother-in-law on top of him). The worst part is that he doesn't even make an effort to break free normally, so I doubt you can use him for LS (what seems like resistance is him laughing at something in the same comic)
Edit: Based on @Tllmbrg's arguments, Gibbon moves on to simply Downscaling Spider-Man
LS
Why not scale him to Spidey?
Because he doesn't have LS scaling with him, only with a Kraven with a broken arm, and the dubious feat mentioned in AP .
And he has antifeats (Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man (1976) 59-60).
SPEED
He always ends up being unable to catch Spider-Man when they fight, so he doesn't scale with the wall-crawler, but he can scale Kraven
(he was able to fight on equal terms with Kraven (the broken arm shouldn't affect his speed perception)
And as a backup, he has feats of dodging bullets.
THE REST
- Nothing to say about range or equipment
- I'm not sure about the stamina, but I gave him Superhuman for Hunted, where he could move despite the big beating he took, however this one does slow him down.
- About intelligence, I think he is average, I literally mention everything he has shown in intelligence, but it is nothing very remarkable, at best it would be Above Average, thanks to Marvel Apes
The Kravens (LS only)
The original Kraven would scale to LS directly, while the Last Son scales from the first.
But it depends on whether this is not an outlier for them Or the fact that Kraven used a technique to maintain the bid an this detract from the feat, Or that in the end the effects of the herbs caught up with Gibbon and we could no longer see them struggle.
(SamanPatou was the one who overhauled Kraven's profile, so I think his opinion would be especially important in this part)
That's all!.
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