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No, that’s the time anomalies that Black Doom created he’s referring to, hence why everything was not fixed until Modern and Classic Super Sonic beat Time Eater and restored everything to the way it was.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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TheStinkeer
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Gerald was talking in general, he didn't say something like "as you restore space-time, the influence black doom made will heal" he just said as long as Shadow (& indirectly Sonic) are restoring space-time in key moments, time can heal on its own.
Black Doom's influence before the final fight was primarily bringing already erased zones to where he was, summoning enemies, and bringing Maria and Gerald to white space
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Actually, does anyone remember if there was any statements about the Titans being the Ancients most powerful or ultimate weapon? I already know it's pretty much confirmed in the narrative and I've been looking back and saw there's a couple statements that heavily imply it, but some more would be pretty cool
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If this is a repeat behavior, some of this is evil for VS things
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I can tell what piece of dialogue you’re referring to, and yes that is in reference to Black Doom’s time anomalies, not Time Eater’s erasure of space-time.
“If we can resolve THIS crisis, we will return from whence we came. Space-time will settle as it shifts back into place, like rippling water becoming calm again.”
Gerald only knows of the situation with Black Doom as evidenced by him referring to it as “this crisis” and saying “WE will return from whence WE came.”
Further evidence is in the way he describes the situation. “Space-time will settle as it shifts back into place, like rippling water becoming calm again.” If he’s really referring to the erased cosmology, what “rippling water” is he talking about? There is no “water” to become “calm again” with space-time erased, it just doesn’t make a lick of sense if he’s referring to the erased cosmology.
Now, take that same sentence, but apply it to the time anomalies created by Black Doom. Starts to make more sense does it not?
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You make a fair point, I don't think I have much to say about that
(EDIT: Actually, I'm thinking about it. And I made this edit after MugenKage replied to this)
but remember this is the same game that almost got rid of Time Eater's ability to erase stuff. There's a huge reason why I've been slightly obsessing over the whole "dImEnSiOnAl EnErGy!1!1!" and wrote a doc to attempt to defend TE's ability.
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I agree that it is messy, but thats what happens when you mess with a script that didn't need messed with in the first place. Thanks Ian, please don't do it again!
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Small NiGHTS music CrossWorlds spoilers: They remixed Peaceful Moment and Growing Wings, I'm so extremely happy.
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But how else can we time travel without the Time Stones????? How else can Classic Sonic eat Angel Island???? How else can we reanimate the Amy cutscenes but ignore other cutscenes that need reanimating even more badly???? How else can we make the voice acting worse????I agree that it is messy, but thats what happens when you mess with a script that didn't need messed with in the first place. Thanks Ian, please don't do it again!
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Every series has a lot of chainscaling here. It's not Sonic nor Mario exclusive.
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Yeah, you're invincible after taking damage with that, iirc. But temporarily.
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I wonder how immediately the invuln. kicks in after getting hit.
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shoutouts to chainscaling for helping make the Titans projectiles scaling to Solaris AP more believable in the Solaris fight
or maybe it can be explained via. being a door within White Space, possibly developed by Eggman
Ngl I actually keep forgetting about that white door in White Space. At the same time, I do feel like that either may be too much of an anti-feat,
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Or it could just be a cutscene and is a one-off thing that happened that doesn't erase what Tails tells us regarding Sonic's speed and what Sonic does literally throughout the entire game.
None of this smells like anti-feat at all. This is such a reach for an anti-feat. Not every little thing that happens is an anti-feat, lmao. Let's stop trying to pretend.
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The point I was making was that even if it was an anti-feat, it'd be way, WAY too much of an anti-feat for anyone to seriously consider unless they just hate Sonic that much, like the sandwich scene in Sonic Lost World
And yeah it could be very much contradicted later on by Sonic restoring space-time with speed, albeit controversial
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Ah, I see. Fair enough.
It's also contradicted by previous infinite speed feats and later infinite speed feats.
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I was more thinking the sheer amount of "Sonic goes speed of sound bare minimum btw" and all the "supersonic" statements would be enough to contradict Sonic being slower than a closing door lol
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probably the cutscene where they charge Giganto with emeralds energy, that's Their key to victory, while JP stated "this is our last hope" or " Trump card).
There is a document talking about all titans statements being the strongest, if you want to read it.
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I don't know Much about other series, but I'm going to assume some, tried to do the same which either succeeded or failed
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Is it?, cause I feel like sonic team doesn't focus on sonic speed (not even supersonic) that much besides calling him "fastest thing alive".
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If we are honest, nigh-every verse does not show characters going all out 99% of the time.
Even White Space door thing could be said that Modern Sonic didnt go all out.
Even White Space door thing could be said that Modern Sonic didnt go all out.
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That's a rather room-temperature viewpoint, to be honest. Sonic Team definitely focuses on speed, it's just different from how The Flash's speed is often portrayed. We see him clearly going faster than sonic speed, dodging/reacting to light-based attacks, has numerous faster than light showings and statements, multiple infinite speed metas, and rather solid immeasurable speed scaling as well. As well as much of promotion for Sonic the Hedgehog often emphasizing just how fast he is such as going faster than sound, being faster than light, etc. However, first and foremost, the Sonic franchise is primarily a story-focused game franchise. If the game franchise itself were to portray stuff that The Flash does, it wouldn't be all that fun at all. How much can you really push it before it starts to become exhausted of any enjoyment or intrigue? It's why the comic book industry is in shambles right now lol.
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That's a case-by-case basis that entirely depends on supporting evidence and context of the story.
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They would definitely upscale any showing the Eclipse Cannon has ever shown. These were confirmed to be the strongest foes Sonic has ever fought before fighting The End, so they would definitely just upscale outright.
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Yeah uhh, Sonic is so fast he runs on water, so fast he time travels by running and so fast by running that he can bring levels back to life.
And like, lets get real meta here, how many other video game characters are as fast Sonic is in Frontiers? Sega portrays him quite well, its just that VS wankery makes all of this look bad because over glorified bullets are significantly faster than this.
And like, lets get real meta here, how many other video game characters are as fast Sonic is in Frontiers? Sega portrays him quite well, its just that VS wankery makes all of this look bad because over glorified bullets are significantly faster than this.
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It's right after, I am pretty sure.
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@ZothythoTheNephalem I just don't feel sonic team know what to do with sonic speed and they just make each story self-contained.
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Which probably ends up being dismissed, by the amount of interruption. (Like metal sonic feat, in episode metal)
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Sonic dooooooeeeesssss also technically take time to build up his movement speed in the games. The Boost and Super Peel Out let him kind of skip that acceleration process, but he didn't use them here. Since younger Him started running a good bit before, he would have more distance and speed than older Him at that moment.
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Yeah, that was one of the statements I mentioned that heavily implied it. It also said "these titans are our keys to victory" in english
And yeah, I'd like to see the document!
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Alright.
simple warning, not all statements gonna be good.
How strong are the Titans in Sonic Frontiers
How strong are the Titans in Sonic Frontiers? The Titans are the latest threat in the Sonic series ever since the release of Sonic Frontiers. They are the main bosses of the game but just how strong are they? Evidence and statements will be posted on how powerful they really are. Sta...
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tysm!Alright.
simple warning, not all statements gonna be good.
How strong are the Titans in Sonic Frontiers
How strong are the Titans in Sonic Frontiers? The Titans are the latest threat in the Sonic series ever since the release of Sonic Frontiers. They are the main bosses of the game but just how strong are they? Evidence and statements will be posted on how powerful they really are. Sta...
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You don't have to do much with it. I think it's done just fine. Could be better in some areas, but I don't get that impression at all. I think that's just overthought.
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uhhh nuh uh ignore all other statements dark gaia egg wizard time eater final egg blaster are all eclipse canon victim including solaris because he only has hax which are 100% disconnected from his powers and his beams are fodder compared to eclipse canon /j
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A while after making this I found out that someone was able to get the JP version of the Secret Rings Special Book, and the Alf Layla Wa Layla part adds more evidence that Sonic was meant to be the sacrifice rather than Shahra being a twist sacrifice
"7つの世界リングによって変身を試みるが、いけにえとなるはずのソニックと合体できず不完全な姿になった"
and should translate to something like:
"He attempts to transform using the Seven World Rings, but is unable to combine with Sonic, who is meant to be the sacrifice, resulting in an incomplete form."
Similarly the same channel uploaded one with Black Knight, so now all we need is the JP Unleashed encyclopedia
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Wow, that's actually like... crazy good confirmation. Incredible find!
Usually a person known as Windii Gitlord/WindiiGaylord does JP Sonic translations and is where most of our JP stuff comes from since she has proven reliable in proper translations, but she doesn't do stuff like encyclopedias and stuff iirc so this stuff is good to bridge the gaps we have in JP Sonic stuff. Nice stuff!
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Yep, I know about Windii. She actually does do some of the encyclopedia stuff on her blog, but sometimes not all of it is translated. I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere here before but she did do a bit of World Adventure/Unleashed's encyclopedia, although it's mainly about the NPCs. Along with some other stuff!
Search Results for “world adventure” – Uncle Windii's Brownie Hideout
It's Better In Japanese™
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Speaking of translations, she just released the Crossworlds Soundtrack commentary, which not only has production commentary about the tracks, but also a small profile for a lot of maps.
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About the White Space
Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Original Soundtrack – Echoes of Dimensions – CD Commentary
The original soundtrack CD for the critically acclaimed Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds, “Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Original Soundtrack – Echoes of Dimensions,” will be released on Wedn…
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About the White Space
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More BDE stuff?
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OH NICE I GOTTA CHECK ALL THIS OUT LATERSpeaking of translations, she just released the Crossworlds Soundtrack commentary, which not only has production commentary about the tracks, but also a small profile for a lot of maps.
Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Original Soundtrack – Echoes of Dimensions – CD Commentary
The original soundtrack CD for the critically acclaimed Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds, “Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Original Soundtrack – Echoes of Dimensions,” will be released on Wedn…
About the White Space
Is there a version written in English or is it only written in Japanese which was then translated by Windii?
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