Murder Drones: Universal Scaling

[RealDuker98]

So... MD universal again?

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Agree: Niko, LandonTheGuy
Incon:
Disagree:

 

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[LandonTheGuy]

ehh idk man, was there anything exept the "she will eventually destroy everything in the universe" statement?

 

[RealDuker98]

ehh idk man, was there anything exept the "she will eventually destroy everything in the universe" statement?

1. I don't think it really matters since it should still be valid especially since everything supports that she can do this.
2. Universal for Cyn was accepted despite the fact it was just one statement saying "She was going to destroy the Universe".

Edit: Multiple "she will eventually destroy everything in the universe" statements btw.

 

[Niko]

Multiple statements = True

I Agree.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

1. I don't think it really matters since it should still be valid especially since everything supports that she can do this.
2. Universal for Cyn was accepted despite the fact it was just one statement saying "She was going to destroy the Universe".

Edit: Multiple "she will eventually destroy everything in the universe" statements btw.

aight seems good to me

 

[RealDuker98]

aight seems good to me

So that's an agree?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

So that's an agree?

yeah i agree.

before i was just asking if there was something else, but yeah i guess it should be enought evidence

 

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[AyOgUyS]

Haven't these arguements already been addressed in the downgrade thread?

 

[RealDuker98]

Haven't these arguements already been addressed in the downgrade thread?

The only arg that had been addressed was the episode 7 argument which I promptly rebunked.

 

[AyOgUyS]

The only arg that had been addressed was the episode 7 argument which I promptly rebunked.

I don't buy this statement being meant to be taken seriously at all

 

[RealDuker98]

I don't buy this statement being meant to be taken seriously at all

Being a 'gag' doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken into account.

Also it's a gag as it's conveying information in a humorous way. Cyn was going to destroy the universe and as explained in the blog, this is stated by so many sources that to deny this would be nothing short of delusional. This argument isn't a refutation, it's denying information that isn't being given in a spoon-fed manner. Also VSBW does include joke statements/feats + this statement was included despite it being a joke and was only removed due to the time-frame.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Also VSBW does include joke statements/feats + this statement was included despite it being a joke and was only removed due to the time-frame.

Not an argument

Being a 'gag' doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken into account.

Also it's a gag as it's conveying information in a humorous way.

It kind of should. If this was meant to be taken seriously, Glitch would not slap a giant emoji on it

this is stated by so many sources that to deny this would be nothing short of delusional.

Please keep this civil

 

[RealDuker98]

It kind of should. If this was meant to be taken seriously, Glitch would not slap a giant emoji on it

It's Glitch... Conveying information in a humorous way is kinda their thing. Also like I said it only got rejected due to the time-frame and joke feats/statements are taken into account.

Please keep this civil

Sorry did not mean to offend.

 

[AyOgUyS]

It's Glitch... Conveying information in a humorous way is kinda their thing.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I agree that Cyn would eventually destroy the universe, but there's no way to prove that she already had the power to do so at the time the series takes place.

 

[RealDuker98]

I agree that Cyn would eventually destroy the universe, but there's no way to prove that she already had the power to do so at the time the series takes place.

A few problems with this:
1) Solver drones don't grow stronger, they only get more skilled. The only solver drone who grew "stronger" was Uzi, everyone else stayed at the same power level. This is because the solver abilities are 'programs' and 'codes' which as we know, Uzi has mastered. This is the main reason why she and her mother can use nulls, but Doll and her mother can't.

2) Episode 7 poster says "UNRELATED: THE SINGULARITY IS ACTIVELY CONSUMING EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR!!1".

3) The 'eventually' part most likely refers to the time it would take for her to consume the Universe, which like I said should be 87 years. This aligns with episode 4's EFE statement.

4) Another reason there is an 'eventually' is that Cyn cannot execute her plan as long as the solver drones are alive. As we see in episode 8, Uzi nullifies Cyn's null through which she was gonna assimilate the Universe.

 

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[AlloyAmi]

theres so many MD crts open crt that ive lost track of whats even going on anymore.

but yeah i still disagree with this, lets go over it all.

Uzi states The Absolute Solver's purpose is to collect all matter and reboot it.

The scan literally does not say this, its just to collect matter in general to reboot new material to explain the regen of some characters. Not "all matter"

In Cabin Fever, Khan shows us Nori's closet and in it we see a bunch of drawings and in this same scene, he refers to The Absolute Solver as "The Singularity". This will become important later but amongst the drawings, there are actually some equations that tells us a lot without actually saying anything at all. Those equations are the Einstein Field Equations and the purpose they serve is to explain the relationship between matter and the geometry of spacetime.

These equations are essentially meant to tell us the nature of The Absolute Solver, based on the context and with that in mind, this implication is pretty significant as amongst the equations, one of them concerns the expansion of the universe. The implication is that The Absolute Solver is capable of expanding across the universe.

Got any more pixels? The singularity just refers to its nature of a black hole. Black holes mess with space time and matter by innate nature scientifically. Correlating it to the expansion of the universe just because one of several different equations is simply related to it is a false correlation. Einsteins field equations also basically predicted black holes, so its all likely just supposed to be related to that considering we see the solvers peak is literally just a black hole. You would need to prove its specifically the equations correlating with the expansion of the universe.

The Absolute Solver calls itself "The solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end". This is important as the solver is basically implying that it can end the Universe. Again not enough for 3-A scaling, but serves as a building block.

"exponential end" is vague, but sure lets leave it as a "building block"

"Tessa" states that Absolute Solver will spread across the universe and that N will eventually have to choose The Universe over "one little drone" in the end. On it's own, it's vague but it at least gives us an idea that the Absolute Solver isn't just some local threat but poses a threat to the grander universe. This lines with Episode 4's information, as with that stuff in mind, we know the Absolute Solver is going to expand throughout the universe, per what The Einstein Field Equations would imply, and potentially collapse in into a single point.

Oh btw, "Tessa" isn't saying that the AS is a threat to the universe because it spreads to hosts due to the previous and upcoming statements.

I've addressed this before but this is refering to how nothing will be able to stop Cyn and they eventually wipe everything out in terms of life and really most relevant cosmic bodies with what we contextually see is via singularities that destroy single planets at the time.

This also goes again the point of how single singularities dont go beyond the scope of a planet as seen with Earth's singularity not expanding beyond it, and Cyn had to make multiple of them to destroy other planets humans were on, and Copper 9 was simply their latest target as thats the entire point of the series. It also appears that even for just a singular singularity created for the destruction of Copper 9, it is overtime as obviously Cyn was stopped before Copper 9 was completely obliterated to the scale of how Earth was, despite them clearly doing some damage.

Let's move onto the most controversial statement. As y'all know, I am referring to the "UNRELATED: THE SINGULARITY IS ACTIVELY CONSUMING EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR!!1" and "FUN TIME TO UNIVERSE BIG CRUNCH". So let's rebunk this:

1. The date being wrong doesn't mean all of the info is wrong, especially since the 87 days is related to Big Crunch(Crunch of 87).
2. The fact that the humans, who not only knew how to contain the AS, but also created a patch for it believed that the AS could be capable of this is impressive + this lines up with every statement in this blog.
3. Countdown Calendars can measure time in years. So this could refer to 87 years.

Big Crunch is one of the things associated with Einstein's Field Equations. Absolute Solver was identified with the equation that specifically refers to expansion, which based on the context was essentially implying Absolute Solver will expand across the universe and consume it. This is relevant because this reinforces that Absolute Solver is going to assimilate all of reality, as a Big Crunch is basically a reverse Big Bang in which everything collapses back into a singularity.

1. If the date is wrong its literally just not a reliable source.

2. Going to repeat my debunk for this general evidence regarding the unreliability of even taking this seriously:

The first scan comes from a poster that says time to universe big crunch that is seen in the background here. Not only was it officially stated to be part of a series of subtly added memes/sneaky references (clearly being a joke on "WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87!??", crunch, 87), but those posters at that moment are from the time of when humans were on the planet researching and doing stuff within the cabin fever cathedral, meaning this statement was made before the core of the planet even blew up and before humans on Copper 9 were killed off, with uzi being treated as an infant around this time period. The issue with this? Uzi is currently 18-20 years old based on their classmates, meaning the 87 day big crunch stuff is simply just not true. This also goes against what is clearly the peak range of singularities which is the absolute solvers power at its strongest.

3. Why would a paper countdown calander with 2 digits be in YEARS, show me literally any occasion where this is the case, countdown calenders in years have much more digits and are digital. This is very clearly meant to be a day calendar that you change every day.

4. Again false correlation. Black holes are also refered to as singularities as well.

Not only is the episode called "Absolute End", but in this episode Cyn uses "mat_collection", which is just a shortened version of matter collection and it's also stated that Cyn will "take over the universe" through this, once again showing us that Cyn will quite literally consume everything in the universe

I don't deny that cyns trying to spread their singularities throughout the universe and is a general threat to it overtime, but you need to remember this is the exact same feat they have done to earth and all the other planets and copper 9 is simply the next target, and we blatantly see it doesnt go far past a planet per singularity made. and even THAT is overtime otherwise the cast would have lost cuz copper 9 would have been instaconsumed by the black hole. At most they just got a big hole in the planet. It's grand scheme of episode 8 is also narratively presented as the destruction of the planet. Doll who is completely aware of what the solver wants to do directly confirms this, its going to consume the planet, just like we saw of earth.

GLITCH released a promotional video for Episode 8 called "Murder Drones: Alternate Universe". The narrator makes a statement that Cyn was causing the world to end and that "reality is breaking apart". The reason this is relevant is because this merely is just describing what happened in Episode 8 and thus it would just reinforce the notion that Cyn was actively destroying the universe. Plus we did accept the reality breaking apart statement right?

The world is very obviously refering to planet here, as I showed in the point above with Doll and how it does a singularity per planet 1 by 1. the dialogue in this very same statement of "as the planet crumbles and devours itself" is very mysteriously excluded with this statement. Solver already warps and manipulates reality with its informational hax stuff so even ignoring how this is just dramatic wording to constrast with the silly promotional plush video that follows immediately after, it can be confined to an area of reality warping/manip.

Murder Drones managed to get onto Amazon Prime as a result of a deal between GLITCH and Amazon, which allows Amazon Prime to stream episodes of the show. Why is this relevant? If you look at the description of Episode 8, it explicitly says that Uzi's battle with Cyn will determine the fate of the universe. This implies that Cyn wouldv'e destroyed the world if it wasn't for Uzi. Given that GLITCH approved of these, this would mean that this is usable and further reinforces the premises that were put fourth above about Cyn being a universal threat.

Universal threat, sure. but universal threat /=/ universal destroyer. Either way this is more contextually along the lines of nothing would be able to stop them either irregardless of how overtime it is because nothing would present a threat in their path anymore with copper 9 destroyed and all the drones who present a threat to her are dead.

 

[RealDuker98]

The scan literally does not say this, its just to collect matter in general to reboot new material to explain the regen of some characters. Not "all matter"

Hold on let me adjust this.

Also, just so I don't commit Strawman.

Got any more pixels? The singularity just refers to its nature of a black hole. Black holes mess with space time and matter by innate nature scientifically. Correlating it to the expansion of the universe just because one of several different equations is simply related to it is a false correlation. Einsteins field equations also basically predicted black holes, so its all likely just supposed to be related to that considering we see the solvers peak is literally just a black hole. You would need to prove its specifically the equations correlating with the expansion of the universe.

Are you trying to say the solver is a singularity(a black hole singularity to be specific)?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

For now, i agree with AlloyAmi

 

[AlloyAmi]

Are you trying to say the solver is a singularity(a black hole singularity to be specific)?

yes, it creates singularities to completely consume cosmic bodies. even the true form of the solver is like a tiny black hole.

 

[RealDuker98]

yes, it creates singularities to completely consume cosmic bodies. even the true form of the solver is like a tiny black hole.

So wouldn't this make the solver 4D?

In Sci-fi, Black hole singularities are often depicted as having 4 dimensions(3 spacial and 1 time)

Murder Drones is also based on Einstein physics which consider singularities as points where the theory itself breaks down, often mathematically described as infinite density/curvature in 4D spacetime.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

In Sci-fi, Black hole singularities are often depicted as having 4 dimensions(3 spacial and 1 time)

Black holes, well, Singularity is a mathematical point of Zero Dimensions, it just gravity that affect space time, unless verse said otherwise

 

[Starsprite53]

I agree with ami points

 

[RealDuker98]

Black holes, well, Singularity is a mathematical point of Zero Dimensions, it just gravity that affect space time, unless verse said otherwise

This is true. But a singularity is more than what you just said.

Singularities have no defined three-dimensional volume and exist outside of linear time.This statement is consistent with what is understood in theoretical physics about gravitational singularities, especially those found at the center of black holes according to general relativity.

For more context:
A singularity is a region of space-time where the equations of general relativity break down. In the case of a black hole, it is described as a point (or ring, in the case of rotating black holes like Kerr black holes) with infinite density and zero volume. As a consequence it does not have a well-defined three-dimensional volume according to our classical physics. Mass is concentrated at a point, which implies that density tends to infinity.In practical terms, this suggests that the geometry of space-time curves infinitely at that point.

Near a singularity, the notion of time as we understand it (linear, one-way, constant) breaks down.Within the event horizon of a black hole, all time trajectories point toward the singularity, making the "future" of any object that crosses that threshold to reach the singularity. From the outside, time appears to freeze at the horizon, but for those who fall inside, time continues, albeit on an inexorable trajectory toward an end where known physics can no longer apply.

If the AS is an active singularity, its existence already transcends conventional three-dimensional space. Interacting with the structure of the universe from this state implies 4D existence.

 

[RealDuker98]

Also wouldn't this be physics and mathematics manipulation?