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“After the cast iron throne changed hands, the Equilibrium tilted slightly. Gold, bricks, blood, energy, science, enlightenment, and ignorance flowed in trickling streams from the Equilibrium. As a result, some lost their existences, and some embraced the Nihility.”

Doesn’t this imply the existence and non-existence nature of Hooh is separate from IX?
 
I’m not really against the duality aspect, but I just doubt how HooH could be superior to all other aeons when the game never states that.
Read my first paragraph again please...

For example, there are four paths that can bring Finality, and by “bringing Finality,” they effectively eliminate the balance—or, in other words, they can kill HooH.
Firstly, what "Finality" is is completely uncertain, but I alr entertained Terminus as L1A himself.

Secondly, you... don't know this. You don't know that it eliminates the balance... and guess what? The cyclical nature of the universe is an exceedingly common interpretation of cosmology in most dualistic schools of thought.
 
“After the cast iron throne changed hands, the Equilibrium tilted slightly. Gold, bricks, blood, energy, science, enlightenment, and ignorance flowed in trickling streams from the Equilibrium. As a result, some lost their existences, and some embraced the Nihility.”

Doesn’t this imply the existence and non-existence nature of Hooh is separate from IX?
No this just means that some people got EE'd and some became Pathstriders
 
Ok I'm back, uh, to respond to all of that; "Order" and "Equilibrium" isn't meant to be qualified as HooH themselves there but rather like every other time "Balance" is mentioned in relation to HooH,
I think the Op already clarified this unless this point is addressed any further or any other counter argument can be provided
 
You forgot no.5

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Firstly, what "Finality" is is completely uncertain, but I alr entertained Terminus as L1A himself.

Secondly, you... don't know this. You don't know that it eliminates the balance... and guess what? The cyclical nature of the universe is an exceedingly common interpretation of cosmology in most dualistic schools of thought.
The goal of Destruction is to eliminate all Paths, all aeons, and the universe itself. So the Finality shown in the trailer is meant to destroy all aeons and Paths, including Equilibrium and HooH themselves.
They have the potential so that means they can't be inferior to HooH.
 
The goal of Destruction is to eliminate all Paths, all aeons, and the universe itself. So the Finality shown in the trailer is meant to destroy all aeons and Paths, including Equilibrium and HooH themselves.

They have the potential so that means they can't be inferior to HooH.
And when the universe ends, Fuli somehow will rebuild it, ye? Like, we know he does save everything because he will be born. Can't be true if Paths are dead.

And whatever way Nanook destroys all Paths likely isn't even his own doing lol. The heat death terminates all Paths because Paths are energy (maximization of entropy) but somehow Terminus exists even though his Path should be gone... hmm... yet we know he witnessed the end. That's strange, no? Almost as if Nanook is a fraud.

And also, Finality is once again Terminus' concept, Nanook may lead there but "the end" is not something that's absolutely for him. And I've alr said Terminus can be L1A
 
And when the universe ends, Fuli somehow will rebuild it, ye? Like, we know he does save everything because he will be born. Can't be true if Paths are dead.

And whatever way Nanook destroys all Paths likely isn't even his own doing lol. The heat death terminates all Paths because Paths are energy (maximization of entropy) but somehow Terminus exists even though his Path should be gone... hmm... yet we know he witnessed the end. That's strange, no? Almost as if Nanook is a fraud.

And also, Finality is once again Terminus' concept, Nanook may lead there but "the end" is not something that's absolutely for him. And I've alr said Terminus can be L1A
The concept of Destruction can include self-destruction, so the Finality that exists after Nanook’s self-destruction doesn’t really contradict anything.
 
And when the universe ends, Fuli somehow will rebuild it, ye? Like, we know he does save everything because he will be born. Can't be true if Paths are dead.
That goes againsts nanooks goal. He will end all aeons and all paths, that includes ALL aeons and ALL paths. Clearly conflict of interest. Nanook clearly poses enough threat to actually complete its goal
 
I think it’s clearly separating the non existence you’re trying to equate to IX.
No it's not lol. It's very clearly what I'm suggesting. You have to genuinely have an agenda to claim otherwise lol.

"Yes, I succumbed to Nihility"
"No, that doesnt mean I became part of its Path like every other time the wording is used; I just got EE'd!"

The concept of Destruction can include self-destruction, so the Finality that exists after Nanook’s self-destruction doesn’t really contradict anything.
Your claim: Nanook destroys everything which means the Paths as well
My claim: Finality (a Path) exists after this supposed "destruction"

So there's a contradiction here
 
That goes againsts nanooks goal. He will end all aeons and all paths, that includes ALL aeons and ALL paths. Clearly conflict of interest. Nanook clearly poses enough threat to actually complete its goal
Well he clearly doesn't with the other 10 billion statements lol

Also what @PedjaTarzan said
 
No it's not lol. It's very clearly what I'm suggesting. You have to genuinely have an agenda to claim otherwise lol.

"Yes, I succumbed to Nihility"
"No, that doesnt mean I became part of its Path like every other time the wording is used; I just got EE'd!"
Yeah no it’s clearly separating the two. Like it’s very blatant separating the two
 
That destruction destroys destruction? Yeah we know, it also means the destruction of HooH. All paths and all aeons
ALL Paths but also specifically not the PATH of Finality. Brother, stop being so obtuse.

There's a conflict of interest but there's also a power difference. HooH says theyll keep the balance of all things, Nanook says they'll destroy all things. They're clearly contradictory but it can't be metaphysically possible that both can happen so one is by necessity impossible. And we already know which one that is.
 
ALL Paths but also specifically not the PATH of Finality. Brother, stop being so obtuse.

There's a conflict of interest but there's also a power difference. HooH says theyll keep the balance of all things, Nanook says they'll destroy all things. They're clearly contradictory but it can't be metaphysically possible that both can happen so one is by necessity impossible. And we already know which one that is.
No it blatantly says all paths. Like blatantly all paths. Now are finality and Hooh Aeons/paths? Yes? Ok that means they are included
 
Yeah no it’s clearly separating the two. Like it’s very blatant separating the two
Yea... that's what I'm claiming? Embracing Nihility isn't EE. It's becoming a Pathstrider.

Like you have to be intentionally ignorant atp, I am sorry. But we literally have a scan implicitly portraying IX as the exact polarity of existence. And then it becomes clear with all the HooH stuff, like I explained this 😭😭😭😭
 
No it blatantly says all paths. Like blatantly all paths. Now are finality and Hooh Aeons/paths? Yes? Ok that means they are included
Yea no, I genuinely can't take you seriously after this.

It's like... no words bro. No words.
 
Yea... that's what I'm claiming? Embracing Nihility isn't EE. It's becoming a Pathstrider.

Like you have to be intentionally ignorant atp, I am sorry. But we literally have a scan implicitly portraying IX as the exact polarity of existence. And then it becomes clear with all the HooH stuff, like I explained this 😭😭😭😭
Yeah? HooH “non existence” you’re trying to equate as being IX is blatantly false. Like if that was the case they would make it blatantly clear. THEY always make it clear when they are referring to THEM 😂 i’m dropping this point and will focus on nanook
 
Yea no, I genuinely can't take you seriously after this.

It's like... no words bro. No words.
I’m disappointed in this blatant arrogance you display 🤷 but it’s made abundantly clear what nanook is

To correct this mistake and to clean up this tainted universe, Nanook became the avatar of entropy and ascended to godhood while denying all gods.
Destruction is not a process, but the outcome. On the path THEY promised, all Paths and Aeons will terminate in the heat death of the universe.
 
I’m disappointed in this blatant arrogance you display 🤷 but it’s made abundantly clear what nanook is

To correct this mistake and to clean up this tainted universe, Nanook became the avatar of entropy and ascended to godhood while denying all gods.
Destruction is not a process, but the outcome. On the path THEY promised, all Paths and Aeons will terminate in the heat death of the universe.
key word "promised" like bro. The scans say the EXACT OPPOSITE, which is in correspondence with what we DEFINITIVELY know happens (because both Terminus and Fuli exist)

They both say theyll kill each other but we canonically know that Finality > Destruction

(Mind you again, PROMISED, whereas ppl like HooH who are stated to see EVERYTHING have already destined the balance)
 
key word "promised" like bro. The scans say the EXACT OPPOSITE, which is in correspondence with what we DEFINITIVELY know happens (because both Terminus and Fuli exist)

They both say theyll kill each other but we canonically know that Finality > Destruction

(Mind you again, PROMISED, whereas ppl like HooH who are stated to see EVERYTHING have already destined the balance)
And the story treats that “promise” as a threat. Prelude to aeonic war and one of THEIR lord ravagers nuked out the cosmos and almost took an aeons head. The narrative clearly treats that “promise” seriously. Nanook is the end of aeons and paths. That’s a scan I sent
 
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And the story treats that “promise” as a threat. Prelude to aeonic war and one of THEIR lord ravagers nuked out the cosmos and almost took an aeons head. The narrative clearly treats that “promise” seriously. Nanook is the end of aeons and paths. That’s a scan I sent
So, can I please know where the Lord Ravager of Equilibrium is lelelelelel

Not only are you canonically wrong, not only are there statements going against this claim, but you're just straight-up ragebaiting atp. Congrats brother
 
That goes againsts nanooks goal. He will end all aeons and all paths, that includes ALL aeons and ALL paths. Clearly conflict of interest. Nanook clearly poses enough threat to actually complete its goal
“I want to kill God”
Doesn’t =
“I can kill God”
 
Holy shit we're actually unable to make HSR crts for the next 4 months
Honestly instead of all this debate, why don’t we seperate the issue? I see no one debunking or attacking low outer HooH, so just everyone agree to that, let it get passed, and then make a seperate crt arguing whether other Aeons scale…
Just hurting your own fandom atp
 
“I want to kill God”
Doesn’t =
“I can kill God”
“After Fu Xuan interrogated Kafka aboard the Xianzhou luofu, Kafka revealed to the Trailblazer that they would eventually face Nanook in the best and the worst cases. When that time comes, the Trailblazer will need all the help they can get, and it will be a "brutal struggle of Aeonic proportions." In the vast majority of futures, that's when destiny ends but if they follow Elio’s plan, there may be a "glimmer of hope on the horizon."

yeah sorry they definitely treat nanook’s promise of destruction as a threat. Idk what to tell you. Just ignore that he is a big bad threat that will cause a war of aeonic cataclysm.
 
Honestly instead of all this debate, why don’t we seperate the issue? I see no one debunking or attacking low outer HooH, so just everyone agree to that, let it get passed, and then make a seperate crt arguing whether other Aeons scale…
Just hurting your own fandom atp
This is literally what I plan to do but well everyone just don't listen, not that anyone has contentions with Low 1-A CoF in the other hand anyway
 
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