About the Godzilla Physiology Page

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This will be simple.

I must clarify that making this thread wasn't my idea, nor was this among my plans...

Godzilla Physiology (Original)

Godzillas are typically depicted as giant prehistoric creatures awakened or mutated by the advent of the nuclear age[Note/Explanation 1]. Godzillas have many abilities, which can vary from monster to monster, including flight, project energy-based attacks, and the ability to sense other...

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While the main purpose of the Physiology page is to index the abilities of the original Godzilla species into the Godzillas that share continuity with them, they do not share the rest of its stats (AP, Speed, LS, etc.), and up to this point most Godzillas in the wiki have the physiology added to their profiles.

However, a situation recently arose with this page since the P&As are deriving from an actual character on the wiki (the original Godzilla); someone proposed that we could just say "All abilities of the Original Godzilla, plus:". So, there shouldn't be need of an extra page...

However that proposal doesn't take into account that there are monsters that have the Physiology, but aren't natural Godzillas per se, so by linking the original Godzilla page to them would generate some kind of confusion among users, especially those who are new. Among those monsters are perfect cell clones of Godzilla.

Another solution would be simply to apply the Physiology page to the original Godzilla profile.

But what do you think? I would like to hear your opinions, because these are topics that should be addressed by Godzilla supporters.

Agrees with Deletion: Apex Predator GX, Agnaa, Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, Oiguana2701, Maikolpry, SpikeTheEditor, Kiryu-MG3, Noninho, ShockingPsychic, ProfectusInfinity, ZeddKD, AnonymousLearner, That Moron2, Sayuki Mikaru, Richard5128pm, DarkDragonMedeus

Neutral: Random-Helper (I think), GrayCraft Dragon, OrangeFR, Auaurora0107, Kaydee1648, Ms.Luzifer,

Disagrees with Deletion: Kaltias, CitRusReality64,

 

[Sayuki_Mikaru]

This looks good, I'll be neutral.

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

looks good

 

[Random-Helper323]

This doesn't seem like a large issue. If someone was to make something else to add to the page it could have its uses, or if someone made tiers within the physiology page to apply to other Kaiju. It could be changed to Kaiju physiology as an alternative.

 

[That_moron2]

I don't have strong thoughts either way, so you can put me as neutral

 

[Zenith_Enigma]

Put me as neutral too.

 

[GrayCraft_Dragon]

This seems fine but I'll lean to neutral for now

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Based on arguments, i'm neutral

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Neutral

 

[OrangeFR]

Neutral

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

switching to Neutral

 

[Auaurora0107]

I'm pretty neutral on this one,

 

[Kaydee1648]

I don’t really have a strong stance on this. Both approaches make sense to me in their own way, and I can see the reasoning behind each side. ill just follow whatever the majority decides on since it’s mainly up to the actual godzilla supporters to determine what works best for the profiles. so you can count me as neutral ig

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This doesn't seem like a large issue. If someone was to make something else to add to the page it could have its uses, or if someone made tiers within the physiology page to apply to other Kaiju. It could be changed to Kaiju physiology as an alternative.

I don’t really have a strong stance on this. Both approaches make sense to me in their own way, and I can see the reasoning behind each side. ill just follow whatever the majority decides on since it’s mainly up to the actual godzilla supporters to determine what works best for the profiles. so you can count me as neutral ig

Thank you both for participating here. I appreciate it.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

same as the others, pretty neutral on it

 

[Kaltias]

This doesn't seem like a large issue. If someone was to make something else to add to the page it could have its uses, or if someone made tiers within the physiology page to apply to other Kaiju. It could be changed to Kaiju physiology as an alternative.

I agree, this seems to be the best option imo (Including renaming it if it's not Godzilla specific)

 

[CitRusReality64]

I disagree that we should try to delete it, also considering the fact there are some Kaijus that have Godzilla Physiology but aren't Godzilla. I think it's fair to put Godzilla Physiology on the Original Godzilla page though

 

[Imaginym]

What would occur should the Neutral option be the conclusion of this, as opposed to approving? Approving of deletion of the physiology page, I assume is meant?

Anyway, I'd assume the physiology page is reasonable to have, as not all things from Godzilla's verse who are like Godzillas (Which I assume includes many kaiju in general.) are going to be Godzilla. Would it be bad to rename it?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

What would occur should the Neutral option be the conclusion of this, as opposed to approving? Approving of deletion of the physiology page, I assume is meant?

Anyway, I'd assume the physiology page is reasonable to have, as not all things from Godzilla's verse who are like Godzillas (Which I assume includes many kaiju in general.) are going to be Godzilla. Would it be bad to rename it?

The page also includes Godzilla clones, yes.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I disagree that we should try to delete it, also considering the fact there are some Kaijus that have Godzilla Physiology but aren't Godzilla. I think it's fair to put Godzilla Physiology on the Original Godzilla page though

I'll be real going over the pages that link the page, I have to ask why they're assumed to share the same abilities?
This is put on Godzillas that seemingly have entirely different stories, origins, and timelines than the OG one.

Godzilla (A Space Godzilla)

Godzilla, normally referred to as Rozan, is a Space Godzilla, a member of a species of intelligent aliens that hail from Godzilla Planet. After conceiving a child with her husband Kunin, Rozan arrived on Earth at some point, where the humans saw her only as a destructive monster. At an...

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Godzilla, normally referred to as Rozan, is a Space Godzilla, a member of a species of intelligent aliens that hail from Godzilla Planet. After conceiving a child with her husband Kunin, Rozan arrived on Earth at some point, where the humans saw her only as a destructive monster. At an unspecified point before the start of A Space Godzilla, she contracted Diabetes and by the time of the book's opening was close to death.In Arizona, strange signals are detected coming from a dark nebula. Meanwhile, Godzilla washes up on the shores of Japan, dying of diabetes. Scientists can examine the monster's organs, including its brain, and after an attempt to communicate with the brain psychically, it is discovered that Godzilla is an intelligent alien creature named Rozan, from the Godzilla Planet, located in the region where the strange dark nebula signals originated and is pregnant with a child. Against the protests of the victims of Rozan's rampages, the monster's body is transformed into a rocket to send her and her unborn child back to their home planet. Once there, Rozan and her child Lilin are reunited with their husband/father Kunin. The Godzilla planet comes under attack from an alien race known as the Sunerians, a species of half-human-looking creatures. Kunin and the now grown-up Lilin combat the Sunerian's general, Gamoni, to defend the planet, eventually emerging victorious.

Like, why would this guy automatically have what the OG Godzilla has???

 

[Nonynho]

Heavily disagree to a logic saying that all the other profiles should adequate to a new one instead of a physiology page, therefore i disagree with the deletion of the Physiology page

 

[CitRusReality64]

I'll be real going over the pages that link the page, I have to ask why they're assumed to share the same abilities?
This is put on Godzillas that seemingly have entirely different stories, origins, and timelines than the OG one.

Godzilla (A Space Godzilla)

Godzilla, normally referred to as Rozan, is a Space Godzilla, a member of a species of intelligent aliens that hail from Godzilla Planet. After conceiving a child with her husband Kunin, Rozan arrived on Earth at some point, where the humans saw her only as a destructive monster. At an...

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Like, why would this guy automatically have what the OG Godzilla has???

They still connected to 1954
in the Toho Godzillaverse, theres a timeline/cosmology where basically all the movies are still part of the same multiverse. The Showa, Heisei, and Millenium era are part of the same timeline as 1954. They aren't canon to each other, but they are all canon to 1954, as 1954 is like the nexus event for the timeline, Alternate timelines, same cosmology but just different events. The Toho Godzillas are related to 1954 and are like the same species, Rozan gets Godzilla Physiology since the story is branch off of the Showa timeline I suppose.

The reason why other Godzilla's like MV, Earth, and Ultima don't get Godzilla physiology is because they don't connect to Godzilla 1954 or the Toho movies and aren't canon to 54

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I'll be real going over the pages that link the page, I have to ask why they're assumed to share the same abilities?
This is put on Godzillas that seemingly have entirely different stories, origins, and timelines than the OG one.

Godzilla (A Space Godzilla)

Godzilla, normally referred to as Rozan, is a Space Godzilla, a member of a species of intelligent aliens that hail from Godzilla Planet. After conceiving a child with her husband Kunin, Rozan arrived on Earth at some point, where the humans saw her only as a destructive monster. At an...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Like, why would this guy automatically have what the OG Godzilla has???

Because that film is canon to that timeline, dude.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Because that film is canon to that timeline, dude.

The page should explain that then.
Like part of the issue with this physiology page is that it just doesn't justify itself being on any of the pages, the automatic assumption for a casual reader is that Godzilla (Insert name) is not the same as the OG one.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The page should explain that then.
Like part of the issue with this physiology page is that it just doesn't justify itself being on any of the pages, the automatic assumption for a casual reader is that Godzilla (Insert name) is not the same as the OG one.

I don't recall other Physiology pages having a users list, but if any of them does, then yeah, it could be added.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I don't recall other Physiology pages having a users list, but if any of them does, then yeah, it could be added.

No I mean the pages it's put on should explain why they get it

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

No I mean the pages it's put on should explain why they get it

Like a note in each page?

 

[Kaltias]

What would occur should the Neutral option be the conclusion of this, as opposed to approving? Approving of deletion of the physiology page, I assume is meant?

Anyway, I'd assume the physiology page is reasonable to have, as not all things from Godzilla's verse who are like Godzillas (Which I assume includes many kaiju in general.) are going to be Godzilla. Would it be bad to rename it?

I think if most people are neutral it just comes down to what the non-neutral people end up agreeing on

 

[Tllmbrg]

Like a note in each page?

Yes

 

[Imaginym]

I think if most people are neutral it just comes down to what the non-neutral people end up agreeing on

So voting neutral(ity) in this case means "I forfeit my influence on this thread's conclusion to allow that portion of influence to be applied by someone with a different stance."?

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

switching to not deleting

 

[Maikolpry]

This doesn't seem like a large issue. If someone was to make something else to add to the page it could have its uses, or if someone made tiers within the physiology page to apply to other Kaiju. It could be changed to Kaiju physiology as an alternative.

I agree

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

after some thought, i disagree with the page deletion

 

[Oiguana2701]

I disagree with the deletion of the page. There's no real reason to delete it, it seems.

 

[Agnaa]

However, a situation recently arose with this page since the P&As are deriving from an actual character on the wiki (the original Godzilla); someone proposed that we could just say "All abilities of the Original Godzilla, plus:". So, there shouldn't be need of an extra page...However that proposal doesn't take into account that here are monsters that have the Physiology, but aren't Godzillas per se, so by linking the original Godzilla page to them would generate a major confusion among users, especially those who are new. Among those monsters are perfect cell clones of Godzilla.

I simply do not understand the reasoning here.

"We should give them the ability 'Godzilla Physiology', instead of saying they have the abilities of the original Godzilla, because that's less confusing if they're not Godzillas" is something I do not see the logic in at all. In fact, I'd think the exact opposite would be true; why would other kaijus have an ability called 'Godzilla Physiology'? And why would saying that one character has another character's abilities be particularly confusing?

This doesn't seem like a large issue. If someone was to make something else to add to the page it could have its uses, or if someone made tiers within the physiology page to apply to other Kaiju. It could be changed to Kaiju physiology as an alternative.

Plausibly. But right now I think it shouldn't be a thing.

Heavily disagree to a logic saying that all the other profiles should adequate to a new one instead of a physiology page, therefore i disagree with the deletion of the Physiology page

I have no idea what you mean by "adequate to a new one".

Those pages would instead be linking to an existing page, Godzilla (Original).

I disagree with the deletion of the page. There's no real reason to delete it, it seems.

The reason is that it's a complete waste to have an entire additional page, if it's just a copy of the abilities already on an existing page. We can just direct users to that existing page, rather than having to maintain a whole separate page.

(And also, if we do as some suggest, and replace Godzilla (Original)'s P&A with a link to that physiology page, that would obscure information)

So yes, I think this page should be deleted.

 

[Nonynho]

I have no idea what you mean by "adequate to a new one".

Those pages would instead be linking to an existing page, Godzilla (Original).

Far better to link it to a Physiology page, because that is what they are for

If the page has flaws, let's use this very CRT to get it better
If its name sucks, let's use this very CRT to get a blog with a better-suiting one in the Verse page

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

"We should give them the ability 'Godzilla Physiology', instead of saying they have the abilities of the original Godzilla, because that's less confusing if they're not Godzillas" is something I do not see the logic in at all. In fact, I'd think the exact opposite would be true; why would other kaijus have an ability called 'Godzilla Physiology'? And why would saying that one character has another character's abilities be particularly confusing?

They are clones.

Plausibly. But right now I think it shouldn't be a thing.

Reasoning?

(And also, if we do as some suggest, and replace Godzilla (Original)'s P&A with a link to that physiology page, that would obscure information)

All the relevant information is in the Physiology page, there is no reason that by replacing the Godzilla (Original)'s P&A will obscure the information as everything will stay in the other page.

 

[Agnaa]

Far better to link it to a Physiology page, because that is what they are for

If the page has flaws, let's use this very CRT to get it better
If its name sucks, let's use this very CRT to get a blog with a better-suiting one in the Verse page

Physiology pages aren't for multiple people scaling to one character's abilities.

They're for common abilities established across a wide variety of characters with something in common.

They are clones.

I know that there's likely some good reasoning for it. I'm talking about casual user experience, just as you were.

Reasoning?

The reason is that it's a complete waste to have an entire additional page, if it's just a copy of the abilities already on an existing page. We can just direct users to that existing page, rather than having to maintain a whole separate page.

(And also, if we do as some suggest, and replace Godzilla (Original)'s P&A with a link to that physiology page, that would obscure information)

So yes, I think this page should be deleted.

All the relevant information is in the Physiology page, there is no reason that by replacing the Godzilla (Original)'s P&A will obscure the information.

It's obscured because they have to go to a separate page. Especially given how many of our users are on mobile, putting something on a link to another page IS obscuring.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Disagrees with Deletion: Random-Helper (I think), Kaltias, CitRusReality64, Kiryu-MG3, Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, Maikolpry, AnonymousLearner, Oiguana2701, Apex Predator GX

Bro are disagree with himself...

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

It's obscured because they have to go to a separate page. Especially given how many of our users are on mobile, putting something on a link to another page IS obscuring.

I think that I remember that someone said that the Fandom pages look ugly on cellphones despite how well formatted they are in the PC version, but if that was something serious, no one would use physiology pages in this wiki.

In any case I will count your vote for deletion.