Detective Vs Stalker [L Lawliet Vs Joe Goldberg] (0-0-1)

[Joe_goldberb]

Headcanon? I'm not sure you know what that word means

Also, you're acting like the AP/Durability difference is so steep that Joe won't take any damage if L hits him. L's attacks are gonna do damage man, if you truly think that Joe just no-sells them all, then this would be a stomp thread. If it's a stomp thread, then it can't continue. So what is it? Because you seem to think that Joe's just tanking it like nothing

Maybe if you took the time to stop insulting my reading skills, you could actually explain why you think L's martial arts won't be effective here instead of saying the same thing over and over again while insulting me. You don't see me taking shots are you grammar mistakes, that's irrelevant

I also don't know why we're using IRL street fights as a basis for judging this battle. You're making a lot of claims with not a lot of sources beyond random QnA threads online

Please stop insulting me and provide some actual evidence for your arguments because this is getting really annoying. If you're really insisting that L's martial arts won't be that effective, provide GENUINE evidence instead of simply saying it won't be effective

EDIT: Also, you DO know that L's got the higher AP/Durability rating (L is at 1.5 kilojoules, which is higher than Joe's 985.47 joules), as well as the higher LS rating on his profile, right? .... Joe doesn't have those edges in physicality that you claim he does...Look at the profiles and calcs again. If you wanna claim that's wrong, you're gonna have to make a revision, because telling me I'm wrong won't change what's on the profiles

Incorrect Joe is 1-8-2.8kj for breaking a door frame that calc was accepted so Joe wins via ap lifting and etc advantage also I brought up a street fight/real fighting cause there’s no proof or evidence of Ls martial art being shown to be effective in real fights the art of coaperia isn’t used in most fighting situations it’s an African dance that has some fighting added they don’t do real fighting or sparing it’s mainly for flash and show

Capoeira - Wikipedia

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It’s mainly just a dance and not real for fighting Joe has the edge in skill via having grappling skills
Like performing blast double legs back takes grips armlocks etc
Grappling is very much shown to be superior to striking in most fighting situations as that’s why most mma fighters who are champions are grapplers not strikers
Joe has the skill gap via having grappling and a wider range of fighting skills rather then jsut kicking

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[Deadguy999]

I often get the opposite opinion to Vzearr but I would vote for L here

 

[Lonkitt]

Incorrect Joe is 1-8-2.8kj for breaking a door frame that calc was accepted so Joe wins via ap lifting and etc advantage

Okay, so now you're just ignoring the facts that:

1. Joe's profile has him scaling to 985.47 joules, which means you need to make a revision for the guy because right now he's not considered as strong as you claim
2. Joe STILL only scales to "At least Above Average" while L is at "Athletic Human", meaning L still has the LS advantage. This also means that any of Joe's attempts at physically restraining L would be ineffective
3. L's calc puts him at 1.5 kilojoules

So no, as things stand right now, Joe does not have the AP and LS advantage. Also, what do you mean by etc advantage? If you mean speed, that's equalized here, so so tough luck

Also, I hope you don't think having an AP and lifting advantage means either one of them immediately wins here. The two got guns man, this isn't gonna come down to physicals

also I brought up a street fight/real fighting cause there’s no proof or evidence of Ls martial art being shown to be effective in real fights the art of coaperia isn’t used in most fighting situations it’s an African dance that has some fighting added they don’t do real fighting or sparing it’s mainly for flash and show

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Linking wikipedia isn't doing you any favours. Literally anyone can edit that

It’s mainly just a dance and not real for fighting Joe has the edge in skill via having grappling skills

Claiming Capoeira isn't "real for fighting" is insane. Regardless of if you think it's all too effective of not, it still has fighting applications. I think you're just being ignorant here

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Once again you're just piggybagging off a bunch of blogs instead of actually explaining your points and using other sources as back up. Anyways....a lot of these blogs describe fighters and fighting styles that are far more advanced that Joe Goldberg. You're acting like Joe's on the level of these MMA fighters, when he really isn't. The guy would get throttled by the types of fighters these blogs are describing. Just because Joe uses grapples doesn't mean he's immediately on the level of these guys. Also just to be clear, L doesn't only use kicks. He used punches against Light too


I'm sorry, but you're really not making any convincing arguments here and a lot of them come down to you wanking and overhyping Joe

We'll have to agree to disagree since you seem to be ignoring what's on the profiles (I'm sorry man, you're gonna need to make a revision to make Joe higher, because he's got less AP and LS as things on the profile stand) and your arguments rely on piggybacking blogs that don't even accurately describe Joe's fighting style)


I'm keeping my incon vote here. This battle isn't gonna come down to melee combat anyways

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Okay, so now you're just ignoring the facts that:

1. Joe's profile has him scaling to 985.47 joules, which means you need to make a revision for the guy because right now he's not considered as strong as you claim
2. Joe STILL only scales to "At least Above Average" while L is at "Athletic Human", meaning L still has the LS advantage. This also means that any of Joe's attempts at physically restraining L would be ineffective
3. L's calc puts him at 1.5 kilojoules

So no, as things stand right now, Joe does not have the AP and LS advantage. Also, what do you mean by etc advantage? If you mean speed, that's equalized here, so so tough luck

Also, I hope you don't think having an AP and lifting advantage means either one of them immediately wins here. The two got guns man, this isn't gonna come down to physicals



Linking wikipedia isn't doing you any favours. Literally anyone can edit that



Claiming Capoeira isn't "real for fighting" is insane. Regardless of if you think it's all too effective of not, it still has fighting applications. I think you're just being ignorant here



Once again you're just piggybagging off a bunch of blogs instead of actually explaining your points and using other sources as back up. Anyways....a lot of these blogs describe fighters and fighting styles that are far more advanced that Joe Goldberg. You're acting like Joe's on the level of these MMA fighters, when he really isn't. The guy would get throttled by the types of fighters these blogs are describing. Just because Joe uses grapples doesn't mean he's immediately on the level of these guys. Also just to be clear, L doesn't only use kicks. He used punches against Light too


I'm sorry, but you're really not making any convincing arguments here and a lot of them come down to you wanking and overhyping Joe

We'll have to agree to disagree since you seem to be ignoring what's on the profiles (I'm sorry man, you're gonna need to make a revision to make Joe higher, because he's got less AP and LS as things on the profile stand) and your arguments rely on piggybacking blogs that don't even accurately describe Joe's fighting style)


I'm keeping my incon vote here. This battle isn't gonna come down to melee combat anyways

Holy strawman never claimed Joe had the skill of an mma fighter I just put a link proving grappling has a more superior skill compared to striking arts also your using joes old page not hes revamp/rework which has him at 193kg while Ls lifting is unknown and no kgs also your whole point with Wikipedia is so random why would anybody edit on a random African dance martial art page you never proved coaperia to be effective and useful in a real fight I described why it’s not as useful you just said it is without justification also im not piggy backing anything its just sources that can help support my claim but hey whatever glaze L

 

[Lonkitt]

Holy strawman never claimed Joe had the skill of an mma fighter

Not a strawman. I just think what you're linking isn't entirely applicable to Joe's arguments here. I never claimed that YOU say that again? claimed Joe was on an MMA fighter's level

your using joes old page not hes revamp/rework which has him at 193kg while Ls lifting is unknown and no kgs

Old profile...? I'm using the profile he has up right now, what are you on about? Also, L's still at a higher LS value. Again, you're gonna have to make a revision because that's what his rating's at, tough luck

also your whole point with Wikipedia is so random why would anybody edit on a random African dance martial art page

Idk, why would anyone edit anything on Wikipedia? People edit all kinds of crap on Wikipedia, you'd be surprised

That's not much of a counterpoint in your favour

you never proved coaperia to be effective and useful in a real fight I described why it’s not as useful you just said it is without justification also im not piggy backing anything its just sources that can help support my claim but hey whatever glaze L

I technically don't have to claim it's effective OR useful because this isn't gonna come down to hand-to-hand (all I ever said is that L's fighting style is much more agile and unpredictable compared to Joe's limited martial arts prowess, hence, I found L to be favourable, especially with L's currently greater LS being able to counter restraining attempts). I already made my vote for incon because this is gonna come down to gunplay. You were the one who brought up Joe's hand-to-hand skill in the first place. And yes, you absolutely are piggybacking by linking a bunch of posts instead of explaining for us like how most people would in these threads, since that's the point of VS debating. You're supposed to provide your arguments

But hey whatever, glaze Joe


Again, we're gonna have to agree to disagree here

 

[Doggo]

This thread went way longer than what was necesanecessary

 

[Lonkitt]

This thread went way longer than what was necesanecessary

Literally

 

[Cropfist]

This Joe glazing is insane

I agree, Joe's feats are extrapolated to oblivion, his street level base physicals are probably pushing it