Quick GT Goku addition

[Killerdrone123]

Well it's going to be a simple addition hopefully

So I watching the finale of DB Gt and this particular scene had my interest



Goku who was way weaker than omega shenron no sold a karma ball without taking any damage and was completely unaffected by it to further add to this Dragon ball GT Dragon book tells us that a big change comes over Goku who is cloaked in an aura that won't let any attack affect him making him invulnerable

So my proposal is very simple give GT Goku's Post negative karma ball key this

Enhanced Aura (Stated to be surrounded by an aura that won't let any attack near him, Was Completely unharmed by negative energy karma ball)

Now I know one can argue this was because Goku was dead but dead guys can still be damaged or harmed whereas Goku was completely unaffected not to mention ki attacks can harm souls too so this isn't just some sort of incorpereality case.

That's it for now

Agree: Qawsedf234,Vietthai96, Reiner01

Neutral:

Disagree: DarkDragonMedeus (With the old Invulnerability addition)

Update the final vote tally, this was updated and edited by Vietthai96

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Yeah, makes sense. Invisible aura that grants him invulnerability.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Disagree, I think this shouldn't be seen as anything more than a durability amplification.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Disagree, I think this shouldn't be seen as anything more than a durability amplification.

How? There is a quote that clearly says an aura won't let any attack near Goku there is no statement suggesting goku's durability was enchanced here or any proof

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I agree and think this should've been added a long time ago.

 

[Qawsedf234]

How? There is a quote that clearly says an aura won't let any attack near Goku there is no statement suggesting goku's durability was enchanced here or any proof

So the main issue is that invulnerablity means complete immunity to physical damage

Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm.

Characters with such powers may simply be unaffected by normal attacks, necessitating the use of things like Durability Negation to get through. Others have more conditional invulnerability, such as one that just prevents harm from conventional weaponry, but can be easily circumvented by supernatural abilities. It can be considered the defensive equivalent of Durability Negation, negating simple Attack Potency, though one should be careful not to apply No Limits Fallacy.

This is distinct from simply particularly high durability, which may make a character seem invulnerable to weaker opponents. Only characters whose invulnerability is clearly more than simply being exceptionally durable for the verse's setting qualify.

Reading the article this Goku has had a changed akin to death and has seemingly had a radical personality shift. Afterwards he fuses with Shenron and leaves Earth and there's a clear gap in power between his previous states.

I'm not sure if there is enough evidence for Invulnerability as a power vs just him entering a higher state of being as suggested in his last key which would grant him enough durability to just no sell everything. The aura preventing attacks from reaching him isn't evidence imo since every ki aura is meant to do that, especially when there's a notable gap in power.

 

[Killerdrone123]

So the main issue is that invulnerablity means complete immunity to physical damage

Reading the article this Goku has had a changed akin to death and has seemingly had a radical personality shift. Afterwards he fuses with Shenron and leaves Earth and there's a clear gap in power between his previous states.

I'm not sure if there is enough evidence for Invulnerability as a power vs just him entering a higher state of being as suggested in his last key which would grant him enough durability to just no sell everything. The aura preventing attacks from reaching him isn't evidence imo since every ki aura is meant to do that, especially when there's a notable gap in power.

I mean there is no other way to explain this situation other than invulnerability given how him simply being dead won't make him immune to attacks given ki attacks can damage dead beings and souls

Goku here was completely unaffected not to mention he is way weaker than omega shenron given you need fusion lvl character(SSJ4 Gogeta) to beat omega shenron so claiming Goku durability getting that much of a boost is weird to me not to mention the statement clearly is talking about an aura that doesn't let any attack harm him rather some insanely boosted durability.

Wouldn't a possibly rating atleast take a precedent here considering the facts above

 

[Vietthai96]

Reading the article this Goku has had a changed akin to death and has seemingly had a radical personality shift. Afterwards he fuses with Shenron and leaves Earth and there's a clear gap in power between his previous states.

I'm not sure if there is enough evidence for Invulnerability as a power vs just him entering a higher state of being as suggested in his last key which would grant him enough durability to just no sell everything. The aura preventing attacks from reaching him isn't evidence imo since every ki aura is meant to do that, especially when there's a notable gap in power.

There is no power gap, if anything, the power gap is in Omega Shenron favor, dude pretty much stay the same, while Goku got beaten to death literally, exhausted all his ki before that due to SSJ4 Fusion and, fought Omega Shenron for a while then tanked a Minus Energy Ball to the face.

We know that Ki is UES and it is corresponsding to physical stats, the higher the Ki, the stronger one is, and vice versa. Goku literally have no Ki left to even transform into Super Saiyan 1, let alone tanking Omega Shenron blasts that have power stronger than SSJ4, so idk where durability helping Goku coming from. Even if there is an aura, it can't withstand that kind of power gap because Ki aura durability is entirely tied to one Ki

Even when you looks at the video, Omega Shenron was confident that his attack would kill him. He can sense Ki, so there is no way there is a power gap between Goku and Omega Shenron that is in Goku's favor, if it was, Omega Shenron wouldn't be that confident

The merge with Shenron is only after the Spirit Bomb destroyed Omega Shenron and Dragon Balls returned to normal

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Invulnerability doesn’t mean you’re literally immune to all damage ever. Many versions of Superman have some form of Invulnerability just from generically being “indestructible”.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wouldn't a possibly rating atleast take a precedent here considering the facts above

It would be "Invulnerable with Ki Aura", but all of his justifications in the last ki require rewriting since its now hax based and not a durability UES.

Invulnerability doesn’t mean you’re literally immune to all damage ever.

On the wiki it does. We use Invulnerability in the classical form of undamagable.

 

[Thermor]

I'm pretty sure with the new upcoming staff thread regarding invulnerability, this wouldn't qualify as it doesn't have an elaborated mechanism.

Small Tweaks to Invulnerability

Hello folks. I find that the Invulnerability power page is one that has caused a lot of confusion and misunderstanding due to a few select issues, and could use with some better wording. This is my proposal. The idea behind it is pretty simple, I've seen a lot of people misusing or even abusing...

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[Qawsedf234]

Then yes, under the staff thread it would not qualify under this clause I guess

To qualify for Invulnerability, there must be an intelligible mechanism for how the ability negates attacks, no matter their strength, without falling under the purview of another defensive ability. Keep in mind that "intelligible mechanism" is not the "source", the difference can be seen through the following examples:

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

How? There is a quote that clearly says an aura won't let any attack near Goku there is no statement suggesting goku's durability was enchanced here or any proof

I interpret as gathering energy to form the Spirit Bomb simply amped durability until it surpassed Omega Shenron's AP.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I interpret as gathering energy to form the Spirit Bomb simply amped durability until it surpassed Omega Shenron's AP.

I mean there is a different explanation given to him being unharmed was because of an aura that won't let any attack harm him

But I guess due to new standards I am dropping the invulnerability argument and updated my op what do you think about itSnip

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What do you guys think of updated op

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree with OP

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

This is quite straightforward, agreed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you guys think of updated op

I'm fine with aura or enhanced aura

 

[Vietthai96]

What do you guys think of updated op

The new updated OP is fine to me

 

[Reiner04]

Since invulnerability is removed thread is good to go.

 

[ProudLearner]

Could be that Shenlong blessed Goku with protection.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Invulnerability doesn’t mean you’re literally immune to all damage ever. Many versions of Superman have some form of Invulnerability just from generically being “indestructible”.

By the way, despite being classified as "invulnerable" in-universe, only a single version of Superman on the Wiki has a profile with Invulnerability, with the profile in question being poorly indexed and over two years outdated.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I agree with the addition

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Enhanced Aura looks good.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree with enhanced aura

 

[Vietthai96]

Locking this thread as it was past grace period and applied