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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Viery said:
Aventurine didn’t get one-shotted by Acheron’s slash. His "Shattered" Cornerstone only broke completely after he entered the Horizon of Existences.

Surviving the horizon of existence with just a shattered cornerstone is no small feat to me, even for an emanator.
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The point is that he's clearly meant to be weaker than what an Emanator can do at their full might and certainly shouldn't be scaling to Acheron at her strongest. Like I said, at best, his all out attack would simply just be At least 3-C for forcing Acheron to go all out.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
probably didnt scale as if that one specific part of 1-B is just AP while everything else is still 4-A
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Something something about using 1-B powersource ≠ 1-B statistics since we listed 1-B through said powersource only anyway but you know what makes it equal??? (4-A Genshin)
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The point is that he's clearly meant to be weaker than what an Emanator can do at their full might and certainly shouldn't be scaling to Acheron at her strongest. Like I said, at best, his all out attack would simply just be At least 3-C for forcing Acheron to go all out.
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Well, he isn’t at full might either, since his cornerstone had already shattered before the fight even began.

And I don’t think I can confidently say that all emanators at full might could survive the Horizon of Existence—like Aventurine did with his shattered cornerstone.

Hoyo tends to make all emanators equal, but then they introduce a shattered cornerstone that, with only 1/10 of Diamond’s power, can still withstand the Shadow of IX.
 
Viery said:
Well, he isn’t at full might either, since his cornerstone had already shattered before the fight even began.

And I don’t think I can confidently say that all emanators at full might could survive the Horizon of Existence—like Aventurine did with his shattered cornerstone.

Hoyo tends to make all emanators equal, but then they introduce a shattered cornerstone that, with only 1/10 of Diamond’s power, can still withstand the Shadow of IX.
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Hes surviving the effects of HoE but not HoE itself, even Argenti who entered HoE had to exit as soon as possible hece why aventurine said they escaped "near death" situation
 
Viery said:
Well, he isn’t at full might either, since his cornerstone had already shattered before the fight even began.

And I don’t think I can confidently say that all emanators at full might could survive the Horizon of Existence—like Aventurine did with his shattered cornerstone.

Hoyo tends to make all emanators equal, but then they introduce a shattered cornerstone that, with only 1/10 of Diamond’s power, can still withstand the Shadow of IX.
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The first part doesn't change what I'm saying. Yeah, his stone being shattered is exactly why he's 4-A and not 3-C. And that point is exactly whyhe should not be scaling to 1-B because his shattered cornerstone is demonstrably not as strong as an Emanator.

Except that was regular Aventurine and he's rated even lower than his cornernstone self. Unless you wanna argue everyone is emanator level then which would be nonsensical.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The point is that he's clearly meant to be weaker than what an Emanator can do at their full might and certainly shouldn't be scaling to Acheron at her strongest. Like I said, at best, his all out attack would simply just be At least 3-C for forcing Acheron to go all out.
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this is nonsensical on another level, why would he scale to her non unsheathed sword form (3-C) if he had to force her to use naught (1-B)
Id just not scale it to 1-B if his attack got completely overpowered even if it forced someone to use that tier of attack rly.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
this is nonsensical on another level, why would he scale to her non unsheathed sword form (3-C) if he had to force her to use naught (1-B)
Id just not scale it to 1-B if his attack got completely overpowered even if it forced someone to use that tier of attack rly.
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Because the attack forcing her to go to her 1-B state would imply that she couldn't just counter the attack in her base 3-C state. And like I said, it's an all out attack that they make it very clear was more powerful than his other attacks were.

Though him not scaling to Acheron at all is fine, so long as he doesn't scale to 1-B.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Hes surviving the effects of HoE but not HoE itself, even Argenti who entered HoE had to exit as soon as possible hece why aventurine said they escaped "near death" situation
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Argenti didn’t enter the Horizon of Existence; he saved Aventurine after Aventurine was transported into the Primordial Dreamscape (Dreamflux reef).
When you guys were unraveling the secrets beneath the Penacony's surface, I already fell into the Primordial Dreamscape. The Preservation's Cornerstone shielded me from the contamination of the Nihility, but in doing so, it completely shattered to smithereens.
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Fortunately, I met a Knight of Beauty and narrowly escaped death with his help.
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Emirp sumitpo said:
The first part doesn't change what I'm saying. Yeah, his stone being shattered is exactly why he's 4-A and not 3-C. And that point is exactly whyhe should not be scaling to 1-B because his shattered cornerstone is demonstrably not as strong as an Emanator.

Except that was regular Aventurine and he's rated even lower than his cornernstone self. Unless you wanna argue everyone is emanator level then which would be nonsensical.
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But the cornerstone defended Acheron’s slash, didn’t it? The reason it can’t withstand the Horizon of Existence is just because we assume that was Acheron’s strongest move. Can we really say that any emanator could survive the Horizon of Existence too?

Also, isn’t Phainon’s strongest form equal to a base Lord Ravager, not a Lord Ravager at full strength—or am I trippin’?”
 
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Viery said:
Also, isn’t Phainon’s strongest form equal to a base Lord Ravager, not a Lord Ravager at full strength—or am I trippin’?”
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Base Lord Ravager is already a fully-fledged Lord Ravager I believe, that one Pre-War video when the Intelligentsia Guild stated Scepter Irontomb is already comparable to that of a Lord Ravager, whilst its completed form would exceed that of Emanators
 
Voidnether said:
Base Lord Ravager is already a fully-fledged Lord Ravager I believe, that one Pre-War video when the Intelligentsia Guild stated Scepter Irontomb is already comparable to that of a Lord Ravager, whilst its completed form would exceed that of Emanators
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I thought a full-power Lord Ravager is a Lord Ravager who has permission to draw 100% of their Path’s power.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Because the attack forcing her to go to her 1-B state would imply that she couldn't just counter the attack in her base 3-C state. And like I said, it's an all out attack that they make it very clear was more powerful than his other attacks were.
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does that even work? if so...ig thats okay
 
PedjaTarzan said:
does that even work? if so...ig thats okay
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Actually this is also questionable because cornerstone is strictly 10/x from 3-C, jumping into 1-B is due to using path of preservation from shared emanator of preservation ability to draw from Qlipoth themselves, and given that cornerstones are part of Qlipoths body 1-B would make sense even if “possibly” is used
Obviously id revamp his justifications since hes not emanator but cornerstone goon
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Because the attack forcing her to go to her 1-B state would imply that she couldn't just counter the attack in her base 3-C state. And like I said, it's an all out attack that they make it very clear was more powerful than his other attacks were.

Though him not scaling to Acheron at all is fine, so long as he doesn't scale to 1-B.
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PedjaTarzan said:
Actually this is also questionable because cornerstone is strictly 10/x from 3-C, jumping into 1-B is due to using path of preservation from shared emanator of preservation ability to draw from Qlipoth themselves, and given that cornerstones are part of Qlipoths body 1-B would make sense even if “possibly” is used
Obviously id revamp his justifications since hes not emanator but cornerstone goon
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what do you think about this
 
Viery said:
Well, he isn’t at full might either, since his cornerstone had already shattered before the fight even began.

And I don’t think I can confidently say that all emanators at full might could survive the Horizon of Existence—like Aventurine did with his shattered cornerstone.

Hoyo tends to make all emanators equal, but then they introduce a shattered cornerstone that, with only 1/10 of Diamond’s power, can still withstand the Shadow of IX.
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I suppose everyone seems to forget that Aventurine is a character who was blessed and practically embryonic in an extremely high degree of luck.
 
Viery said:
I thought a full-power Lord Ravager is a Lord Ravager who has permission to draw 100% of their Path’s power.
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I don't see why, even the game doesn't hint at it or imply it, at least I don't recall it ever being mentioned that a Ravager Lord would draw all of the Path's IMG energy if it's at full power.
 
Viery said:
I thought a full-power Lord Ravager is a Lord Ravager who has permission to draw 100% of their Path’s power.
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That's true, but not 100% of Destruction but rather the Path they wanted to destroy in the first place. For example, Irontomb when self-coronated with Nous has access to draw 100% of Path of Erudition just like Nous.

Of course, when something has complete access over the Path just like the Aeons, they literally have access to every ability in that Path because the abilities there are derived from said Path. So, when Aha literally made a Noblesse Worm as its Emanator and literally gave it 100% of Path of Elation, that worm had all the access to Elation related abilities LMAO (A literal worm having Masked Fool's powers like Vita, that should tell you already)

Related Entry — The Elation
...The Elation, seriously? I don't feel elated when I think about Aha. All I feel is chaos. No other Aeon is as much of a headache as Aha. Aha has no sense of self-consciousness, is utterly unpredictable, does everything on a whim, and plays mortals and the universe like a fiddle. According to poor old Elias Salas' records, Aha once turned a Noblesse Worm into THEIR Emanator and granted the worm fathomless intelligence, just to see if Noblesse Worms could enter the Genius Society — The answer was no. For this pointless experiment, the Elation gave the entirety of THEIR Path's power to a worm that doesn't even have a fully developed brain, and then just discarded the creature once it had outlived its purpose. Without the Aeon's blessing, the worm died instantly and tragically. I don't know why Elias Salas recorded this in such great detail. Maybe he was shocked by this...?
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Paths (Elation; Can use all the powers and has all resistances that their Pathstriders and Emanators obtained through the Path of Elation, as Aha is the only entity capable of wielding their Path at full capacity and without restriction)
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Voidnether said:
That's true, but not 100% of Destruction but rather the Path they wanted to destroy in the first place. For example, Irontomb when self-coronated with Nous has access to draw 100% of Path of Erudition just like Nous.

Of course, when something has complete access over the Path just like the Aeons, they literally have access to every ability in that Path because the abilities there are derived from said Path. So, when Aha literally made a Noblesse Worm as its Emanator and literally gave it 100% of Path of Elation, that worm had all the access to Elation related abilities LMAO (A literal worm having Masked Fool's powers like Vita, that should tell you already)
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I’m reading HooH scans rn, like, is all duality emergent of HooH? If so, there’s def some Low 1-A (or maybe 1-A) potential for him. Especially since if seems to treat “everything” in a pantheistic sense regarding HooH
 
Cuz if all concepts are split off from a “unified one”, then that means that differentiation would be delimited once it reaches the web of logic behind the universe. This is gen some 1-A potential, tho there could be anti-feats that put it at Low 1-A.

HooH becoming the Aeon isn’t necessarily the problem tho cuz it’s stated he “dissolves” into it
 
Super_Nova said:
I’m reading HooH scans rn, like, is all duality emergent of HooH? If so, there’s def some Low 1-A (or maybe 1-A) potential for him. Especially since if seems to treat “everything” in a pantheistic sense regarding HooH
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Yeah, that's the entire point of Equilibrium, it's the Path that governs duality itself, heck you could argue HooH's influence affects the Aeons themselves on this one with Existence and Nonexistence (IX) as the duality

Mere mortals had to pursue Equilibrium through radical extremes like beauty and ugliness, joy and sorrow, good and evil, love and hatred — countless opposing concepts were created and interpreted to satisfy the Arbitrators' obsession with a zero-sum universe. Mind you the Arbitrators are only Emanators of Equilibrium at best, yet they're treated as literal gods

Arbitrators are embodiments of duality too on top of that, whether it's in-line with Paraconsistent Physiology or not, probably we'd have to bring metaphysics in Honkai as a whole
 
Voidnether said:
Yeah, that's the entire point of Equilibrium, it's the Path that governs duality itself, heck you could argue HooH's influence affects the Aeons themselves on this one with Existence and Nonexistence (IX) as the duality

Mere mortals had to pursue Equilibrium through radical extremes like beauty and ugliness, joy and sorrow, good and evil, love and hatred — countless opposing concepts were created and interpreted to satisfy the Arbitrators' obsession with a zero-sum universe. Mind you the Arbitrators are only Pathstriders of Equilibrium at best, yet they're treated as literal gods

Arbitrators are embodiments of duality too on top of that, whether it's in-line with Paraconsistent Physiology or not, probably we'd have to bring metaphysics in Honkai as a whole
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I think [splitting apart concepts] while remaining [zero-sum] should effectively negate addition within HooH. I’ll have to think about this for a lil but I think there’s a lot of potential for a high tier here. It’ll only be HooH tho.

And there should be no anti-feats because all statements regarding him portray him as immutable/omnipotent/omniscient
 
Super_Nova said:
I think [splitting apart concepts] while remaining [zero-sum] should effectively negate addition within HooH. I’ll have to think about this for a lil but I think there’s a lot of potential for a high tier here. It’ll only be HooH tho.

And there should be no anti-feats because all statements regarding him portray him as immutable/omnipotent/omniscient
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I mean I have no contentions against that when you literally could argue HooH is the one behind the concept of Aeonhood itself, Equilibrium was always the stupidest Path but it doesn't get much recognition due to how unpopular it is (The first ever major addition to the Path of Equilibrium is Castorice's abilities, which is the most OP out of all the Chrysos Heirs individually LMAO)

Like, I'm 100% sure you could argue that Lan is required to ascend as an Aeon to rival Yaoshi, or that Mythus is required to ascend as an Aeon to rival Nous, nothing really stops this from being governed by Equilibrium
 
I feel like there's levels on how much Paths could influence, like this specific Aeon and its Path might be superior than the others so technically not all Aeons are equal but they still derive from the same thing which is the Imaginary anyway
 
Voidnether said:
If you're checking all the Gold & Gears feat, there's somewhere in one of them that stated Nous governs all the particulars of "Erudition" btw
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Yea yea whatever bro


ANYWAYS. Equilibrium should genuinely have every hax in the verse now that I think about it. Because the scans portray Aeons and the like as all embodying singular concepts and parts of the Universe but HooH is always portrayed as governing and enveloping everything whilst—in contrasts to the singular concepts—it encompasses all of them in a unified and dualistic sense. This also directly seems to extend to Imaginary Energy too.

And since all addition and division amounts to completely zero in relation to the web of logic, it could honestly mean that it resolves into straight-up 1-A.
 
Super_Nova said:
ANYWAYS. Equilibrium should genuinely have every hax in the verse now that I think about it. Because the scans portray Aeons and the like as all embodying singular concepts and parts of the Universe but HooH is always portrayed as governing and enveloping everything whilst—in contrasts to the singular concepts—it encompasses all of them in a unified and dualistic sense. This also directly seems to extend to Imaginary Energy too.

And since all addition and division amounts to completely zero in relation to the web of logic, it could honestly mean that it resolves into straight-up 1-A.
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I wonder where Nanook and Terminus fit in. I have a hunch about Nanook, but since Castorice's Equilibrium has moved towards Destruction, I wonder if Hooh might be destroyed somehow. Well, as for Terminus... I suppose being the end of everything should make it superior to or equal to Hooh. Even though it's in duality with the Trailblaze, it's a form of inclusion in the philosophy of Finality, although it's not normally possible for duality to affect a non-dual being.
 
Ayato256 said:
I wonder where Nanook and Terminus fit in. I have a hunch about Nanook, but since Castorice's Equilibrium has moved towards Destruction, I wonder if Hooh might be destroyed somehow. Well, as for Terminus... I suppose being the end of everything should make it superior to or equal to Hooh. Even though it's in duality with the Trailblaze, it's a form of inclusion in the philosophy of Finality, although it's not normally possible for duality to affect a non-dual being.
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All universes cycle under IX as they are [nothingness], but HooH controls both being and non-being. Considering there’s no Lord Ravager for Equilibrium or anyone even attempting to oppose it very likely means that it’s beyond the Path System in some sense. Even my 1-A scale depends on them transcending Imaginary Energy a little bit, which isn’t too farfetched for them since they control all Imaginary Energy (all concepts)
 
Super_Nova said:
IX represents one side of all dualities with the other Aeons taking a polarizing position against IX, but HooH controls both sides as a single whole. So no, even IX can’t do anything and we have feats of this already
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What feats? IX already doesn’t do anything so i don’t know what you mean. Also can HooH even go against Nous’s calculations?
 
Basically every aeons have their own other side aeons
Such as
hunt vs abundance
Erudition vs enigmata
Preservation vs destruction
Propagation vs voracity
and etc

But hooh have no counter, cause they counter themself
 
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