Artoria Pendragon (Saber) Vs Ichigo Kurosaki (Honkai: Star Rail X Fate/Stay Night Vs Bleach)

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Artoria Pendragon Vs Ichigo Kurosaki

Saber
Attack Potency: 2.93 RonnaFoe, higher with Excalibur
Durability: 2.93 RonnaFoe
Lifting Strength: Class Y

Horns Of Salvation Bankai Ichigo will be used
Attack Potency: 3.68 RonnaFoe, 36.8 RonnaFoe with Gran Ray Cero Getsuga Tenshou
Durability: 3.68 RonnaFoe
Lifting Strength: Class T

Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Penacony
Ichigo starts off in Bankai

Fight OST:

 

[Black-san112]

is horn of salvation restricted or can he use it?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

is horn of salvation restricted or can he use it?

horns of salvation is his merged hollow key so no

 

[Catbowtie]

Doesn't Ichigo skill stomp?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Doesn't Ichigo skill stomp?

Don't know. Waiting for a Nasuverse supporter

 

[Voidnether]

Doesn't Ichigo skill stomp?

No, they're both geniuses

 

[Tdjwo]

Saber by default having Fate manipulation to avoid causality manipulation via her luck skill means none of Ichigo's attacks would work on her. Stat wise, they are pretty similar but based on how hot Excalibur (same temperature as Yama's Zanka no tachi) she could pretty much melt Ichigo's existence with one move. Its like Ichigo fighting Yamamoto except with more defensive hax via Fate manipulation.

Saber GG

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Saber by default having Fate manipulation to avoid causality manipulation via her luck skill means none of Ichigo's attacks would work on her. Stat wise, they are pretty similar but based on how hot Excalibur (same temperature as Yama's Zanka no tachi) she could pretty much melt Ichigo's existence with one move. Its like Ichigo fighting Yamamoto except with more defensive hax via Fate manipulation.

Saber GG

Enhanced Resistance to:

• Extremely High Temperatures (15,000,000°C; Superior to Royd Lloyd, who was capable of surviving Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai's Zanka no Tachi, West: Zanjitsu Gokui's 15 million degree flames in close proximity.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#cite_note-Bleach507-47"><span>[</span>47<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#cite_note-BleachTYBW6-28"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a>)

 

[Black-san112]

Saber by default having Fate manipulation to avoid causality manipulation via her luck skill means none of Ichigo's attacks would work on her. Stat wise, they are pretty similar but based on how hot Excalibur (same temperature as Yama's Zanka no tachi) she could pretty much melt Ichigo's existence with one move. Its like Ichigo fighting Yamamoto except with more defensive hax via Fate manipulation.

Saber GG

Arguing that she can melt him feels like a stretch to me considering he also got acess to blut vent, which allowed both jugram and lloyd to survive a fair share of yama's heat, the fate manipulation part i am unsure about so i will wait to see what other bleach supporters say about that part

edit: yep castorice p much confirmed what i said

 

[Tdjwo]

Enhanced Resistance to:

• Extremely High Temperatures (15,000,000°C; Superior to Royd Lloyd, who was capable of surviving Shigekuni Yamamoto Genryusai's Zanka no Tachi, West: Zanjitsu Gokui's 15 million degree flames in close proximity.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#cite_note-Bleach507-47"><span>[</span>47<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#cite_note-BleachTYBW6-28"><span>[</span>28<span>]</span></a>)

Yeah, my bad. Rechecked Ichigo's profile and he does have high heat resistance. So he should be able to survive Excalibur. But unlike Zanka no tachi which is more environmental based attack, Excalibur is an AP-focused attack which she can use repeatedly. And Ichigo still doesn't have a way around her luck/fate manipulation.
So either Saber wins or its a stalemate.

 

[Black-san112]

that assumes he would just stand there and take it, cant he just use shunpo or sunido to get out out the way? I Aint voting for him to win I just dont see that as a potent win coin, maybe her fate mani can work on him but I dont see her hitting him with excalibur as easily as your making her to be able to

 

[Tdjwo]

that assumes he would just stand there and take it, cant he just use shunpo or sunido to get out out the way? I Aint voting for him to win I just dont see that as a potent win coin, maybe her fate mani can work on him but I dont see her hitting him with excalibur as easily as your making her to be able to

Excalibur isn't a slow attack. We see this in Saber Alter vs Berserker where she uses it mid combat against Berserker. Didn't take more than a second to power up. Its just like Ichigo casually using Getsuga. Sometimes it looks slower than usual when really it isnt all that different.

 

[Black-san112]

yes but Ichigo does still have access to analytical prediction, instinctive reaction, and many other abilities like that, so arguing he will just stand there and take it or not sense her bloodlust and react to it by dodging or getting out of the way is a stretch imo.


plus even in the fight you mentioned, Saber still does have to charge and release Excalibur for a split second or two, and he does have enough mobility and good enough reaction and prediction to know to just not stand there and take it or to try to counter with his own Getsuga too.

 

[Specterxxxx]

After a quick glance at Arthur's profile, Ichigo most likely seals the dub. He is way more skilled, far more intelligent and has better reaction, higher stamina and the cherry on top is crazy AD. So in a sword fight, he is not only going to completely overwhelm her but outlast her and eventually overpower her while it's going to take a lot for her to land a hit.

While I think her fate manipulation is going to help her. It wouldn't help her for long when Ichigo can outlast her in stamina while getting stronger mid fight.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

following

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

So, uh, Saber's profile says she has Servant Physiology, so she's completely invulnerable to anything Ichigo does.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So, uh, Saber's profile says she has Servant Physiology, so she's completely invulnerable to anything Ichigo does.

BRO IS SERVANT INVULNERABILITY STILL A THING?

 

[Black-san112]

aint no way gang, so saber stomp i guess?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What is the counter to servant invulnerability bro

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

BRO IS SERVANT INVULNERABILITY STILL A THING?

Yes, why?

What is the counter to servant invulnerability bro

Have sufficient Mystery/Mystics to be able to harm them... which Ichigo can't have because we can't equalize it across verses.

Still, if you change the OP to be fun & games so you can restrict Servant Invulnerability, then the match can continue.

 

[Apotheosis69]

What is the counter to servant invulnerability bro

Did you really not know that?

Also Ichigo's profile is rather outdated, as he doesn't have Blut for his stats. Alongside other stuff

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

So how exactly is this series getting cross verse battles if they’re invulnerable via an inverse mechanic that can’t be equalized?

 

[Apotheosis69]

So how exactly is this series getting cross verse battles if they’re invulnerable via an inverse mechanic that can’t be equalized?

Isn't it based on the Servant's soul which is Conceptual?

 

[Black-san112]

So how exactly is this series getting cross verse battles if they’re invulnerable via an inverse mechanic that can’t be equalized?

exactly what I am wondering since this makes p much all fights a stomp for servants

 

[Voidnether]

Yes, why?

Have sufficient Mystery/Mystics to be able to harm them... which Ichigo can't have because we can't equalize it across verses.

Still, if you change the OP to be fun & games so you can restrict Servant Invulnerability, then the match can continue.

How far could that be stretched? Like do you need 1-A smurf abilities to be able to bypass those invulnerability cross verse wise

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So how exactly is this series getting cross verse battles if they’re invulnerable via an inverse mechanic that can’t be equalized?

You can still BFR them if you just pick them up and throw them into space Boros style.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

So how exactly is this series getting cross verse battles if they’re invulnerable via an inverse mechanic that can’t be equalized?

exactly what I am wondering since this makes p much all fights a stomp for servants

Simple, they don't.

Isn't it based on the Servant's soul which is Conceptual?

Nope, it's because Servants are high ranking Mystics/Mysteries.

How far could that be stretched? Like do you need 1-A smurf abilities to be able to bypass those invulnerability cross verse wise

With smurf hax getting removed, maybe? I honestly have no idea.

You can still BFR them if you just pick them up and throw them into space Boros style.

Sort of. They might be able to come back from that.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

A shinigami would fully qualify as mysterious entity with supernatural powers.... hence be able to harm them, saying no, is severe abuse of a verse hypertechnicism... it's like saying shinigami can only be damaged by zanpakuto because they say so.

 

[Catbowtie]

Does Ichigo skill stomp?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Getsuga Tenshou Vs Excalibur clash let’s go

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

A shinigami would fully qualify as mysterious entity with supernatural powers.... hence be able to harm them, saying no, is severe abuse of a verse hypertechnicism... it's like saying shinigami can only be damaged by zanpakuto because they say so.

The difference is we see Soul Reapers get harmed by non-Zanpakuto, and equalizing Reiatsu/Spiritual Pressure with other other systems to let them interact doesn't require the other party to gain abilities they've never had before.

Does Ichigo skill stomp?

I have no idea what Honkai Star Rail Saber's skill feats are (unless they're cross-scaled with regular Fate Saber's skill feats).

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I have no idea what Honkai Star Rail Saber's skill feats are (unless they're cross-scaled with regular Fate Saber's skill feats).

Its the same exact Saber

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Looks like Saber just overpowers Ichigo via 308% amp move and huge outranging

• Excalibur: Deals Wind DMG equal to 140.0%—308.0% of Saber's ATK to all enemies, and additionally deals 10 instance(s) of DMG. Each instance of DMG deals Wind DMG equal to 55.0%—121.0% of Saber's ATK to one random enemy. After using Ultimate, the next Basic ATK switches to "Release, the Golden Scepter," and only "Release, the Golden Scepter" can be used.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The difference is we see Soul Reapers get harmed by non-Zanpakuto, and equalizing Reiatsu/Spiritual Pressure with other other systems to let them interact doesn't require the other party to gain abilities they've never had before.

The invulerability is mainly based on weapons from regular mortals and the fact Servants are "heroic spirits". So Ichigo wouldn't have an issue interacting with Saber as he's quite legit the equivalent of a spirit/soul

 

[Vietthai96]

Have enough "Age" or being Mystical can affect Servant. However Saber have high rank (iirc A rank) magic resistance, it is powerful to the point that Caster, strongest magic user servant, all her magic just simply get nullified. And before anyone bring out Ruler Breaker, it didn't target Saber but simply the contact between her and Shirou. Magecraft in Nasuverse is many things, from simply elements to reality bending, soul, concept, information ***** too so the Ichigo hax is mostly useless

Saber have B rank luck which make Gae Bolg's NP missed her heart, Gae Bolg pierce the heart by rewind causality to make the target heart already pierced by it, since you can't "dodge" your past, as it is established event

Saber's Battle Instinct is borderline Precognition allows her to react to future events, it play a part in her successful attempt to dodge Gae Bolg (combine with luck stat of course). This Instinct also allow her to predict and dodge Sasaki Kojiro's Tsubame Gaeshi which is a swords skill so crazy that it create dimension refraction phenomeno (iirc the name), pretty much a swords skill that transcend dimensions to creates 3 sword strike simultaneously to trap the opponent, of course Saber could dodge due to the sword Kojiro using is a normal sword which get bend after trading blows with top tier sword, but it didn't downplay the ability of both characters

Saber sword is constantly covered by Invisible Air which conceal the sword shape to confuse her opponent. Given Ichigo IQ, he could likely figured it out to be a sword, but measure its shape, size, length gonna be extremely hard, this is already hard for Servants. Invisible Air can also be releases as wind burst attack that ripple her opponents apart, she done this against Berserker in UBW route, close range, he couldn't dodge it

Mana Burst allows her to boost her stats (speed and physical power) in a short time period of time, thus she can suddenly get faster and stronger in the middle of the battle

If i'm not wrong, Bleach's Reiatsu or something, is spiritual/soul energy?, Servant can absorb soul to strengthening themselves, so theoretically speaking, if Ichigo using his spiritual thing on Saber, she can absorb it to actually power her up

So the only thing Ichigo could do is, physical, close combat fight

 

[Violetcyanide]

The invulerability is mainly based on weapons from regular mortals and the fact Servants are "heroic spirits". So Ichigo wouldn't have an issue interacting with Saber as he's quite legit the equivalent of a spirit/soul

An entire thread was made on the topic of verse equalization for mystery and it was agreed by staff that it wouldn't be equalized. So you need invulnerability negation to harm any servant.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I mean vietthai here so

Have enough "Age" or being Mystical can affect Servant. However Saber have high rank (iirc A rank) magic resistance, it is powerful to the point that Caster, strongest magic user servant, all her magic just simply get nullified. And before anyone bring out Ruler Breaker, it didn't target Saber but simply the contact between her and Shirou. Magecraft in Nasuverse is many things, from simply elements to reality bending, soul, concept, information ***** too so the Ichigo hax is mostly useless

Saber have B rank luck which make Gae Bolg's NP missed her heart, Gae Bolg pierce the heart by rewind causality to make the target heart already pierced by it, since you can't "dodge" your past, as it is established event

Saber's Battle Instinct is borderline Precognition allows her to react to future events, it play a part in her successful attempt to dodge Gae Bolg (combine with luck stat of course). This Instinct also allow her to predict and dodge Sasaki Kojiro's Tsubame Gaeshi which is a swords skill so crazy that it create dimension refraction phenomeno (iirc the name), pretty much a swords skill that transcend dimensions to creates 3 sword strike simultaneously to trap the opponent, of course Saber could dodge due to the sword Kojiro using is a normal sword which get bend after trading blows with top tier sword, but it didn't downplay the ability of both characters

Saber sword is constantly covered by Invisible Air which conceal the sword shape to confuse her opponent. Given Ichigo IQ, he could likely figured it out to be a sword, but measure its shape, size, length gonna be extremely hard, this is already hard for Servants. Invisible Air can also be releases as wind burst attack that ripple her opponents apart, she done this against Berserker in UBW route, close range, he couldn't dodge it

Mana Burst allows her to boost her stats (speed and physical power) in a short time period of time, thus she can suddenly get faster and stronger in the middle of the battle

If i'm not wrong, Bleach's Reiatsu or something, is spiritual/soul energy?, Servant can absorb soul to strengthening themselves, so theoretically speaking, if Ichigo using his spiritual thing on Saber, she can absorb it to actually power her up

So the only thing Ichigo could do is, physical, close combat fight

Can Ichigo actually fight her or does Saber invulnerability stomps

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I mean vietthai here so


Can Ichigo actually fight her or does Saber invulnerability stomps

He starts 4km away so he can't even get close

 

[Vietthai96]

Can Ichigo actually fight her or does Saber invulnerability stomps

If you count Invul, it is a stomp

If you don't, the odd against Ichigo is still extremely high, as Saber have a lot of option to deal with him, while Ichigo can only go close, physical combat with Saber to have a chance of dealing meaningful damage

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

An entire thread was made on the topic of verse equalization for mystery and it was agreed by staff that it wouldn't be equalized. So you need invulnerability negation to harm any servant.

How would that work without having “mystery” in the first place?