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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

The connections everyone wants for matchups involve those which highlight the core traits of both characters including appearance, personality, experiences and powers which can either compliment or form a contrast between the combatants
 
Remus1998 said:
The connections everyone wants for matchups involve those which highlight the core traits of both characters including appearance, personality, experiences and powers which can either compliment or form a contrast between the combatants
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Vox vs Dio Brando.

On one end, Dio Blitzes! On the other end, Vox AP stomps and can regenerate from anything Dio does.
 
MysticMania said:
Their movesets aren't too interesting with each other and the connections feel really surface level, in my opinion.
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Royal characters with a fire theme (I think, Starfire doesn't seem to be one), with contrasting personalities (introverted vs. excessively extroverted, at least the most popular version of the character), and they're purple... Uh, I see why the matchup, but there are probably better ones.
 
Called it, knew they would pair Blaze with Starfire and Rouge with Catwoman. It was so obvious, that it would be surprising if those weren't SonicxDC counterparts.

Can we have Surge paired with Reverse Flash next?
 
I wonder if this refers to the old lore thing of Chaos energy being the life energy of living beings? I doubt it's still canon now, but it's cool to see this.
 
I heard ppl talk about Codex Wiki Sonic scaling and checking it out, it's certainly something. Bumblekast is single handedly carrying the nerfs despite its disclaimer and the official account admitting Ian is just trolling 😭

Goku also didn't get it any better and Frisk... Oh Frisk, what did they do to you
 
TheStinkeer said:
I heard ppl talk about Codex Wiki Sonic scaling and checking it out, it's certainly something. Bumblekast is single handedly carrying the nerfs despite its disclaimer and the official account admitting Ian is just trolling 😭

Goku also didn't get it any better and Frisk... Oh Frisk, what did they do to you
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Codex? Oh, it's something alright. Genuinely hard to look at... the downplay is downright cringe.
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Codex? Oh, it's something alright. Genuinely hard to look at... the downplay is downright cringe.
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iirc the Bumblekast also says a lot of things that support higher tier Sonic scaling. Like saying Solaris was destroying the concept of space-time and that Dark Gaia was "blowing up planets"
 
TheStinkeer said:
iirc the Bumblekast also says a lot of things that support higher tier Sonic scaling. Like saying Solaris was destroying the concept of space-time and that Dark Gaia was "blowing up planets"
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Having Super Sonic and SDBH Goku below Planet level but Sailor Moon at Multiverse level+ is a curious choice.
 
I actually do think some of their reasonings made in a blog against a higher tier Sonic least make some sense, but I have my issues. And obviously no hate to the person who wrote the reasonings, it's just dumb powerscaling at the end of the day.

No notes on Egg Salamander tbh.

Time Eater makes sense to an extent. But it def downplays the Time Eater's abilities of just "BFR'ing areas into White Space" especially when we see stars and planets in the areas with those being significantly affected due to Time Eater consuming and erasing them. Plus Eggman's intention WAS about erasing space and time to dominate and reshape it. The areas were still there after the Time Eater's defeat because, well, time can heal itself. Of course it's questionable if Time Eater should get it for AP considering it's consuming dimensional energy to erase things but yk, i'd like to hear other opinions on that

Solaris I don't entirely disagree with either. But the thing with the light shells is that they're revealed to not be anchoring Solaris at all, and they can take the meteors Solaris throws that deal the same damage and stun as his beams, albeit Silver throws them about 2x to 3x slower, but it's not an infinite amount of slower, not even counting how it should've withstood the destruction. It then uses the prima guide for the line of Achilles Heel, ignoring how the Prima Guide is unreliable and the game itself calls it a powerful consciousness, Solaris is stated to have the power to destroy time and space itself and the core can once again take the attacks. Now for it engulfing timelines, I have a somewhat similar viewpoint to Time Eater. What I think relies on the details of the space-time intersection and how it works, and if it was the main way Solaris ate stuff. I am leaning more towards Solaris being multi in AP, though

Egg Wizard I just don't agree with at all. Even saying that the Power of the Stars didn't create parallel dimensions and was just dimensional energy, the same energy physically empowered the Egg Wizard and Eggman said he couldn't imagine his mech would become this powerful despite creating the Final Egg Blaster and called the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds no match for it even knowing of the chain reaction that would lead to the universes destruction. If you have the energy that sustains a separation between universes that physically empowers you, the most likely explanation is that you are that strong

Alf Layla Wa Layla didn't destroy the Universe per say, and time was at least somewhat intact, but he did warp the reality of the entire Arabian Nights which is still at bare minimum with downplay a star level feat for his reality warping. A sun being in the background wouldn't contradict that. The only issue here is the Storybooks technically being, well, books. But honestly I lean more towards these feats being scalable.
I also don't mind them not counting dimensional tiering as it seems to not be a valid way to scale. Tho given how Maginaryworld presents the 4th dimension, it could mean that dimensions in Sonic could equal superiority, but eh I wouldn't count on it.
 
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Tbh sometime in the future when the imgur situation is solved and such, I think the Chaos Emeralds could possibly get both a limited and full resistance to the effects of Time Eater's erasure. Limited as they could still function somewhat by repelling the Time Eater (though repelling TE is an outlier, it having power isn't an outlier I think) and a full resistance when they're with someone as seen with Shadow, Silver, and Classic Metal Sonic. Though it it possible they restored them themselves, especially Shadow.
 
The Emeralds are affected by the dimensional erasure to the point they need to be "restored", but maintain enough power to repel an incomplete time eater.
 
TheStinkeer said:
Tbh sometime in the future when the imgur situation is solved and such, I think the Chaos Emeralds could possibly get both a limited and full resistance to the effects of Time Eater's erasure. Limited as they could still function somewhat by repelling the Time Eater (though repelling TE is an outlier, it having power isn't an outlier I think) and a full resistance when they're with someone as seen with Shadow, Silver, and Classic Metal Sonic. Though it it possible they restored them themselves, especially Shadow.
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Limited Nonexistent Physiology... being able to function when Nonexistent
 
JJSliderman said:
The Emeralds are affected by the dimensional erasure to the point they need to be "restored", but maintain enough power to repel an incomplete time eater.
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Yeah, that's why I'd say they have a limited resistance when not in someone's possession. Also I thought about using the Chaos Emerald repelling the Time Eater to scale them, but then I realized it would've caused a lot of problems cause then Perfect Chaos > Time Eater lmao
McFriesGuy075 said:
I thought they already had resistance to that erasure, turns out it was in a WIP page instead
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Oh damn fr? Is there any link to it? I'm curious is all
 
It's from a page of mine but I'd rather not share it, because it will take a long while to even start working on it again and I'm unsure if it will even see the light of day. Sorry
 
The problems with scaling a Chaos Emerald to I. Time Eater would start from the very first moment they're used I bet. Circular scaling would go nuts.

Highest a Chaos Emerald could probably reasonably get without causing problems would be like High 3-A / 3-C.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:


He's always been less prickly in JP Sonic and most recently in JP Crossworlds, so is that really what they changed? What's really going on here? Miscommunication?
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I feel like he comes off as far too hyperfocused to the point of kind of becoming dull. Would be cooler to see him show more emotion and have some comedical moments with people he's close to (cuz allegedly he has no friends or whatever lies Sega is trying to make canon).
 
ShakeResounding said:
It's from a page of mine but I'd rather not share it, because it will take a long while to even start working on it again and I'm unsure if it will even see the light of day. Sorry
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Ah I understand, no worries!
McFriesGuy075 said:
The problems with scaling a Chaos Emerald to I. Time Eater would start from the very first moment they're used I bet. Circular scaling would go nuts.
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fr tho
 
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I like TCRF a ton but I wish it had a dark mode. Easier said than done to implement I imagine, but I do feel like Ansem Kingdom Hearts any time I open the website.
 
In CrossWorlds: NiGHTS is Speed, AiAi is Handling, Tangle is Acceleration, Whisper is Boost, Pac-Man is Acceleration, and Team Ghost is Speed.

I'm glad we're getting another Boost type. I still would've personally changed Shadow, Metal, and Eggman to Boost if I could.
 
Tbh, almost all characters fit their types. Like, Jet is only one who would fit Boost perfectly. And like, Jet is still clearly Speed archetype, cmon.

Egg Pawn shouldve been handling
 
I am glad Jet is speed imo, since he's the only rival of Sonic's that rivals him for his speed. The others were either made to rival Sonic (Metal, Surge), or just occasionally banter and fight him anyways (Knuckles, Shadow).
 
I did see recent speculation that Extreme Gear might have been added late, so maybe Boost type was too. Seemingly Jpn script makes odd mentions that others question are BR ok with riding cars in Rival dialogue, even if they are riding EG.
 
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