Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Does Shok.wav being a Megalodon help at all?

Weight ends up lower ironically than using just a normal great white

 

[ShionAH]

Should we make a quick small CRT to add the accepted low ends to the profiles while we figure out the whole universe thing (I dont even know why we still argue when its clear)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Should we make a quick small CRT to add the accepted low ends to the profiles while we figure out the whole universe thing (I dont even know why we still argue when its clear)

That can be handled in a sister CRT with the whole Alastor vs Adam thing, or hell even at the same time because that CRT is where we're dumping all of the extremely controversial stuff.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Should we make a quick small CRT to add the accepted low ends to the profiles while we figure out the whole universe thing (I dont even know why we still argue when its clear)

We're working on it with Reaper but if we do now, I'll be absolutely insufferable. I really want my Large Islandstor

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Should we make a quick small CRT to add the accepted low ends to the profiles while we figure out the whole universe thing (I dont even know why we still argue when its clear)

Bro is desperate to wank his goat to Tier 4-3

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Bro is desperate to wank his goat to Tier 4-3

I have a question.
If we hypothetically accepted that Heaven is a universe, the shield would cover an entire universe so it would be like what, High 3-A?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Would Vox scale to Emily in speed since he could catch her?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Added a force end, Class M

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Would Vox scale to Emily in speed since he could catch her?

Yeah if Emily is FTL so is Vox and Alastor is even faster than him so

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I have a question.
If we hypothetically accepted that Heaven is a universe, the shield would cover an entire universe so it would be like what, High 3-A?

Was it stated to be infinite in size though? Or that shield covers entire universe rather than a planet within universe?

 

[Mythic381]

Repeat the process several times and get full scaling to the value /j

Repeat it for everyime Detective_Blizzard talked about Velvette.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Repeat it for everyime Detective_Blizzard talked about Velvette.

Chat, according to my calculations, negative sixty seven hundred people contributed to the explosion…

 

[ShionAH]

Bro is desperate to wank his goat to Tier 4-3

I mean its heavily supported with the lore we had about angels expanding the universe and lucifer making a solar system, can we just agree that cosmic Hazbin is consistent like cmon. We cant ignore vivzie directly telling us they are universes that visually look like planets

Was it stated to be infinite in size though? Or that shield covers entire universe rather than a planet within universe?

They LOOK and ACT like planets as visuals, they are treated as universes in anything else. It would be Tier 4 or 3 iirc

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Was it stated to be infinite in size though? Or that shield covers entire universe rather than a planet within universe?

Sera explicitly stated that the shield was meant to cover all of Heaven from different realms, so it should cover up the entire universe if Heaven was a universe

 

[Mythic381]

If we hypothetically accepted that Heaven is a universe, the shield would cover an entire universe so it would be like what, High 3-A?

Only 3-A, High 3-A is for infinite sizes.

Was it stated to be infinite in size though? Or that shield covers entire universe rather than a planet within universe?

The sphere is all of Heaven, the blog we showed talks about the sphere being a cosmic representation for it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sera explicitly stated that the shield was meant to cover all of Heaven from different realms, so it should cover up the entire universe if Heaven was a universe

I mean it can just protect the habitable part. It would make no sense to protect planets that nobody lives in.

They LOOK and ACT like planets as visuals, they are treated as universes in anything else. It would be Tier 4 or 3 iirc

Aand this makes no sense. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

Also say goodby to FTL HH if you go this way.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Only 3-A, High 3-A is for infinite sizes.

The sphere is all of Heaven, the blog we showed talks about the sphere being a cosmic representation for it.

So Sera wasted energy of the shield on what is 99% not actual citizens?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Y'know that just made me realize. What the **** happened to anyone who would've ended up in heaven if they died between when the shield was put up and when it was broken. I remember Sera said that no one gets in without her approval after Pentious showed up but I don't remember if that was when the shield was going to be put up or not. If not then did those people just die die or did they just sent into hell cause **** them ig

 

[Stellar_Fish]

I mean it can just protect the habitable part. It would make no sense to protect planets that nobody lives in.

That sounds like headcanon tbh, "lockdown Heaven from all other realms" it's a pretty definitive quote, you'd have to stretch it a lot so either this feat is 3-A or they're not universes.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That sounds like headcanon tbh, "lockdown Heaven from all other realms" it's a pretty definitive quote, you'd have to stretch it a lot so either this feat is 3-A or they're not universes.

So Sera wasted energy of the shield on what is 99% not actual citizens?

Like if a person wants to protect his people from the other-dimensional aliens in a movie and creates a huge shield, would you assume he’s rather just protect his own people or also do that to 99% worthless space?

 

[DarkLock92]

Y'know that just made me realize. What the ** happened to anyone who would've ended up in heaven if they died between when the shield was put up and when it was broken. I remember Sera said that no one gets in without her approval after Pentious showed up but I don't remember if that was when the shield was going to be put up or not. If not then did those people just die die or did they just sent into hell cause ** them ig

I think she said that incoming souls would be put through security protocol or something.

 

[ShionAH]

Aand this makes no sense. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

but I WANT my cake.

Also say goodby to FTL HH if you go this way.

If we count them as universes it becomes MFTL+.

Its kinda insane to randomly assume Sera only locked down a certain part of Heaven when we SAW the barrier cover all of it. What do you mean lol.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Like if a person wants to protect his people from the other-dimensional aliens in a movie and creates a huge shield, would you assume he’s rather just protect his own people or also do that to 99% worthless space?

If someone says "We're gonna lockdown our universe so no one from any other realm enters" I'm pretty sure we all would agree that they aren't talking just about the Earth.

 

[Mythic381]

Aand this makes no sense. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

How does it make no sense?

Also say goodby to FTL HH if you go this way.

Uh how is that related? The FTL feat is the laser traversing from Hell to Heaven, completely unrelated to whether it's a universe or not, because they're 2 universes within the same space, still have a distance.

 

[Alexander]

That is literally the only thing there's about the cosmology, of course it's what I'm doing, also it seems to me like they only people who were against were like 3 including you, the ones agreeing seemed more.

I could help you man

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Uh how is that related? The FTL feat is the laser traversing from Hell to Heaven, completely unrelated to whether it's a universe or not, because they're 2 universes within the same space, still have a distance.

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space.

Sounds like a concession…

 

[Stellar_Fish]

The debate should be whether the idea of "They are visually treated as planets but they are actually universes" makes any sense since the scaling is kinda obvious for both interpretations.​

 

[ShionAH]

Guys. If we take them as universes the beam becomes MFTL+ by going through Heaven and reaching the other side in like 1 second. Chill.

 

[DarkLock92]

Funny how all those upscales only happened because of Vox and his god complex.
"VoxTek, Trust us with your powerscaling!"

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Guys. If we take them as universes the beam becomes MFTL+ by going through Heaven and reaching the other side in like 1 second. Chill.

Will become an outlier though.

 

[ShionAH]

Will become an outlier though.

Nah, I’d disagree

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Ok, look, let's do the following: check this list and see how many of these Heaven or Hell fulfill:

• These are notes that the worlds are indeed universes; while they don't need all of these, at least one of them should indicate this.
  • If they are outright called universes or stated to be the size of universes by a reliable source, they should be considered universes.
  • If the size of the realms described has having infinite sizes or other synonyms, that should strongly indicate them being universes.
  • If they are outright stated to be completely separated by the barriers of time and space and either stated or shown to be reasonable in size, such as having countless galaxies, then they should indeed be universes.
  • If they're flat out stated to be entire timelines, then they are indeed alternate universes.
  • Being labeled as "Entire Alternate Realities" generally indicates them being called universes, but the context and semantics should preferably be specified.
  • If they're stated to mirror "The Universe" or "Our Universe" or "The Real World", they would refer to being universes.
  • If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.
• These statements are not enough to call them universes; they may support the ideas when backed up by examples above, but none of them individually or altogether may be enough.
  • Having a starry sky may qualify as being a Multi-Solar System sized pocket reality, but not enough to be a universe without more evidence.
  • Having multiple galaxies within it should qualify as a Multi-Galaxy sized pocket reality, but not enough to be a universe without more context or evidence.
  • A realm having time that works somewhat differently is not enough to be considered a Universe as nonlinear time within a single universe exists. And the realm should still have a confirmed appropriate size to back it up.
  • The Worlds being different bodies of space is not enough to consider them universes, as that does not quite prove they have different timelines. Especially if they are afterlives. Afterlives often are different bodies of space, but are generally condensed in the same timeline unless there's more proof otherwise.
  • Being "Different Worlds, Realms, or Dimensions" requires more elaborate context and even "Dreams, Imaginations and Ideas becoming reality" is not enough to say the "Worlds" are entire universes. "Becoming Reality" often simply refers more to "Becoming a piece of reality" as opposed to each and every Dream becoming an "Entire Reality".
  • Saying that it "Mirrors your world" does not automatically equate to mirroring the entire universe you came from as World can also mean planet. And it can even refer to locations in between planet and Universe. And even if the realms are larger than planet sized, the "Your World" aspect often refers to specific sceneries rather than the entire Space-Time Continuum. And just because world frequently refers to universe doesn't mean everything larger than a planet that is called a world is a universe.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Vox was the one who attacked heaven using Lucifer's power, and only then, he was capable to reach 100% reputation after Charlie's speech
But this was thanks to the fact that Vox asked Carmilla for help
However, Carmilla accepted it only because Vox was capable to get help from most overlords and made heaven itself fear him
And the overlords only decided to join Vox because Alastor was defeated

Which means that everything was Alastor's fault

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

How about we address the disqualifier first?

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space.

Firstly, it is significant to understand that a universe, including space-time continuums and timelines, encompasses all three-dimensional space that can be accessed through regular movement within the universe. This means that any location that can be theoretically reached through conventional means of travel, such as spaceflight, would be considered part of the same universe and timeline, regardless of how the fiction portrays it. Movement between universes should only be feasible through extraordinary modes of transportation, such as portals, higher-dimensional movement, or teleportation. By default, it is assumed that universes have separate three-dimensional spaces, but if a piece of fiction demonstrates otherwise, destruction of several connected timelines would be rated as Low 2-C (Universe level+).

 

[Mythic381]

Sounds like a concession…

That's just not true

otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.

Since the feat is completely unrelated to spacetime, it doesn't even matter. Heck, even something like GOW utilizes a higher-dimensional space, it literally does NOT matter.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Vox was the one who attacked heaven using Lucifer's power, and only then, he was capable to reach 100% reputation after Charlie's speech
But this was thanks to the fact that Vox asked Carmilla for help
However, Carmilla accepted it only because Vox was capable to get help from most overlords and made heaven itself fear him
And the overlords only decided to join Vox because Alastor was defeated

Which means that everything was Alastor's fault

But Alastor did it because Rosie refused to fix his staff and recover his injuries for some unknown reason

Meaning that everything is Rosie’s fault

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Holy shit, you guys yapp too much.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

That's just not true

So you concede they are a part of one large universe. Thanks!

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Vox was the one who attacked heaven using Lucifer's power, and only then, he was capable to reach 100% reputation after Charlie's speech
But this was thanks to the fact that Vox asked Carmilla for help
However, Carmilla accepted it only because Vox was capable to get help from most overlords and made heaven itself fear him
And the overlords only decided to join Vox because Alastor was defeated

Which means that everything was Alastor's fault

Alastor nearly got himself and everyone he knew killed and almost started a literal hundred billion soul holy war all cause a lady wouldn't fix his cane. Crazy

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Alastor nearly got himself and everyone he knew killed and almost started a literal hundred billion soul holy war all cause a lady wouldn't fix his cane. Crazy

Because of a coaster*