Lookism speed upgrade.

[Crimsonobu]

Accepted calculation :
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Saint.K.Grass/Daniel_park_becomes_daredevil

For now applies to Daniel park , could potentially apply to most god/top tiers (goo also completely perceptionblitzed pacheon who also got blitzed by this move)

SPEED: At least Supersonic+ | hypersonic +, likely higher in second body

thats all folks

 

[Viott]

We don’t see when Daniel moved his arm. Therefore, you need to use the minimum distance.

 

[Kachon123]

What type of movement was even used for Daniel? It's not explained in the blog.

distance Daniel moved =

2*pi*length of his arm*90/360

Daniel's height is 180 cm.

Daniel's arm length is 0.708 m according to the human proportion calculator (teenager).

2π×0.708=2×3.1416×0.708=4.449 m. 4.449×0.25=1.11225 m

 

[Viott]

What type of movement was even used for Daniel? It's not explained in the blog.

90 degrees.

 

[Kachon123]

90 degrees.

What would you consider to be the minimum distance then? Daniel's arms seem to be by his side right before he moved, so 90º should be alright.

 

[Pyro9278]

Accepted calculation :
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Saint.K.Grass/Daniel_park_becomes_daredevil

For now applies to Daniel park , could potentially apply to most god/top tiers (goo also completely perceptionblitzed pacheon who also got blitzed by this move)

SPEED: At least Supersonic+ | hypersonic +, likely higher in second body

thats all folks

This shouldn't affect anyone other than Daniel. The only god-level we have any idea of who might be relative are Goo and James Lee, who have a high speed level, and even then they would only fall under a "Possibly" classification since Goo, although he ultimately blitzed Paecheon Jo, doesn't necessarily have the same speed level as Daniel when these two haven't fought. We have no statements or feats that put them on par in terms of speed. Furthermore, I want to emphasize the fact that this speed is ONLY found when Daniel is in his path, another reason why it's unlikely anyone else could reach that level.

 

[Crimsonobu]

We don’t see when Daniel moved his arm. Therefore, you need to use the minimum distance.

according to a cgm member this is the most acceptable one. i did daniels arm length 70.8 cms scince the guy looked considerably out of range. angsizing was wonky so i listened to the mod

 

[Vzearr]

Oh man. What's with the new cgm's accepting odd calcs. Also what the hell am I looking at, what was accepted? They're both wrong.

Also I'm gonna make a Daniel vs Johan matchup soon if y'all are interested.

 

[Viott]

What would you consider to be the minimum distance then? Daniel's arms seem to be by his side right before he moved, so 90º should be alright.

In the panel you mentioned, the distance between the scissors and Daniel is greater. Therefore, that panel should be used for the distance. But in this panel, the distance between the scissors and him is shorter, and there is no evidence that he started moving at a 90-degree angle in this panel.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Oh man. What's with the new cgm's accepting odd calcs. Also what the hell am I looking at, what was accepted? They're both wrong.

Also I'm gonna make a Daniel vs Johan matchup soon if y'all are interested.

idk why but i have a genuine distain for the way you express your oppinions. i hope something negative befalls you shortly. the original convoluted calc is on the crimsonobu account under the same blog name if you are more curious to what got cut.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Wouldn't Gun upscale this if this calc gets accepted, why Daniel only?

Goo lost to a tired and badly injured Gun who you all seem to want to possibly upgrade him as well?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, isn't lookism now capped at supersonic speed at best?

There is a statement by Goo of him saying that whips are the only way humans can reach supersonic speed or sonic speeds

Coupled with the fact that people in-verse needs to aim dodge bullets

I believe the verse should be like;

Subsonic+ travel and combat speed, Supersonic reaction and perception speed (also combat speed with whips)

 

[Exoko]

Also, isn't lookism now capped at supersonic speed at best?

There is a statement by Goo of him saying that whips are the only way humans can reach supersonic speed or sonic speeds

1. ‘Apparently’
2. Only talking about swinging a weapon
3. Immediately disproved & his Moonlight techniques & others being shown as faster


It’s just a comparison with how IRL speeds work, no need to take it seriously, it looks like Goo just brought it up to make fun of it tbh

 

[XxZetsuxX]

1. ‘Apparently’
2. Only talking about swinging a weapon

The only weapon that can reach sonic speeds?

3. Immediately disproved & his Moonlight techniques & others being shown as faster

Not proved/stated to be sonic speeds

 

[Exoko]

Sometimes characters aim dodge, sometimes they don’t.

That last feat of MK cutting a traveling bullet in half or Samdak saying that being stronger was enough or Hansu obviously not aim dodging in multiple of his fights is fine enough

Coupled with the fact that people in-verse needs to aim dodge bullets

 

[Exoko]

The only weapon that can reach sonic speeds?

Not proved/stated to be sonic speeds

Yeah, the sonic part.


It was proved, as against that ‘whip’ Paecheon was able to counterattack and dodge them relatively easily compared to how he was later being regularly blitzed (unable to react or trace)by the Moonlight forms along with the attacks being stated to get faster with each move.

 

[Exoko]

This has nothing to do with the post so if you have any issues you can make a related post for it, for the calc idrk since Jay’s speed was just related to his martial arts & we haven’t had any solid comparisons of him with any of the current Incheon cast

 

[Pyro9278]

Wouldn't Gun upscale this if this calc gets accepted, why Daniel only?

Goo lost to a tired and badly injured Gun who you all seem to want to possibly upgrade him as well?

Proof?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Proof?

He took down the whole verse while tired + injured with broken bones + eye missing and stuff

At the very least his beast mode UI should scale to Daniel

 

[Pyro9278]

He took down the whole verse while tired + injured with broken bones + eye missing and stuff

At the very least his beast mode UI should scale to Daniel

Have we forgotten what happened with Johan Seong? The moment he acquired his Infinite Technique, Johan began to blitz him, only managing to dodge once Johan ran out of energy and collapsed from the final blow. Daniel Park shouldn't be any different, since the information we have about the paths indicates they are unique, and so far no one has been able to match his speed. I don't think Daniel is the fastest in the verse; Goo and James are probably faster, but so far, without evidence or statements, we have no idea how to compare them other than assumptions/headcanon.

 

[CatLover313]

Also, isn't lookism now capped at supersonic speed at best?

There is a statement by Goo of him saying that whips are the only way humans can reach supersonic speed or sonic speeds

Coupled with the fact that people in-verse needs to aim dodge bullets

I believe the verse should be like;

Subsonic+ travel and combat speed, Supersonic reaction and perception speed (also combat speed with whips)

Idk about speed capping but looking at the blog, the evaluator recommended two new ends and said to use the low end technically putting the calc at supersonic now. So this feat should still be good

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Have we forgotten what happened with Johan Seong? The moment he acquired his Infinite Technique, Johan began to blitz him, only managing to dodge once Johan ran out of energy and collapsed from the final blow. Daniel Park shouldn't be any different, since the information we have about the paths indicates they are unique, and so far no one has been able to match his speed. I don't think Daniel is the fastest in the verse; Goo and James are probably faster, but so far, without evidence or statements, we have no idea how to compare them other than assumptions/headcanon.

So we are treating one of the best skill feats of the verse as a blitz?

 

[Pyro9278]

So we are treating one of the best skill feats of the verse as a blitz?

And what else could it be? Daniel is literally powering up based on speed and perception to anticipate movements, while Johan has a huge improvement in basically... EVERYTHING to end up performing multiple attacks in a blitz time. Gun couldn't escape Johan's attacks no matter how much he dodged.

 

[Vzearr]

idk why but i have a genuine distain for the way you express your oppinions. i hope something negative befalls you shortly.

I do it on purpose to piss off people like you.

 

[Da3ggman]

Will yall just chill for a minute? And Vzearr, stop trying to start shit, there’s literally no reason for you, a former staff member, to feed into whatever beef Crimson has, especially with provoking comments.

 

[Vzearr]

Will yall just chill for a minute? And Vzearr, stop trying to start shit, there’s literally no reason for you, a former staff member, to feed into whatever beef Crimson has, especially with provoking comments.

Sorry. You're right.

 

[Crimsonobu]

Also, isn't lookism now capped at supersonic speed at best?

There is a statement by Goo of him saying that whips are the only way humans can reach supersonic speed or sonic speeds

Coupled with the fact that people in-verse needs to aim dodge bullets

I believe the verse should be like;

Subsonic+ travel and combat speed, Supersonic reaction and perception speed (also combat speed with whips)

they literally going up 4 blitz tiers later on which further serves the point. and its not a regular joe swinging it
also adressed as superhuman multiple times.
they can dodge /cut bullets without aim dodging it.

 

[Crimsonobu]

I do it on purpose to piss off people like you.

people like me? like what? you are annoying. and you do it on purpouse. to annoy people? who are annoyed, by annoying people? amazing logic man . keep at it.

 

[Crimsonobu]

ok so to quickly adress viots contentions. one panel making it seem closer isnt more valuable as a "debunk" to a feat then far more panels showing the distence being closer/greater then what the calc has it as.

so in the end which of you agree on the calc being acceptable. the cgm member still seems to be adamant about it being usable

 

[Vzearr]

people like me? like what? you are annoying. and you do it on purpouse. to annoy people? who are annoyed, by annoying people? amazing logic man . keep at it.

Okay bro, sorry I'm debunking your favourite verse left and right, my bad!

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And what else could it be? Daniel is literally powering up based on speed and perception to anticipate movements, while Johan has a huge improvement in basically... EVERYTHING to end up performing multiple attacks in a blitz time. Gun couldn't escape Johan's attacks no matter how much he dodged.

That's not how it works, infinite technique is a move that messes with your perception, it doesn't increase speed, the point of the skill is the "accumulated" experience Johan absorbs throughout all of his fights by copying his opponent not stats

 

[DivineAura44]

Also, isn't lookism now capped at supersonic speed at best?

There is a statement by Goo of him saying that whips are the only way humans can reach supersonic speed or sonic speeds

Coupled with the fact that people in-verse needs to aim dodge bullets

I believe the verse should be like;

Subsonic+ travel and combat speed, Supersonic reaction and perception speed (also combat speed with whips)

No. Because
1. The statement says apparently.
2. The statement refers to regular humans.
3. You have to prove that they all NEED to aim dodge bullets. Especially since this feat is only being applied to the very top of the verse.

 

[DivineAura44]

Feat looks fine BTW. I'd apply it to Daniel, Goo, Gun, James, Shingen and Gap. Potentially Kitae and Mujin but they have pretty vague levels of power. I think we should see more on these guys before we applied this to them.

 

[Pyro9278]

That's not how it works, infinite technique is a move that messes with your perception, it doesn't increase speed, the point of the skill is the "accumulated" experience Johan absorbs throughout all of his fights by copying his opponent not stats

1. I didn't say he copies the statistics.
2. Just because it's a feat of skill doesn't mean it's not also a feat of speed. Gun is literally trying to dodge them, but Johan is able to redirect them and cover him with numerous attacks in a timeframe in which Gun clearly cannot react.

 

[Exoko]

That's not how it works, infinite technique is a move that messes with your perception, it doesn't increase speed, the point of the skill is the "accumulated" experience Johan absorbs throughout all of his fights by copying his opponent not stats

Infinite technique basically is Johan projecting multiple strike arcs with each attack, if the opponent can see one of those strike arcs he would commit to another strike arc by quickly switching between the attacks, it isn’t some hax that makes the opponent get woozy

 

[Crimsonobu]

Okay bro, sorry I'm debunking your favourite verse left and right, my bad!

i dont care if the verse gets put at 2 m/s . act like a regular person for once instead of a 12 year old and maybe you wouldnt be annoying

 

[Crimsonobu]

Infinite technique basically is Johan projecting multiple strike arcs with each attack, if the opponent can see one of those strike arcs he would commit to another strike arc by quickly switching between the attacks, it isn’t some hax that makes the opponent get woozy

its shown to not be switching. his attack fully misses with gun behind him and he can still land an attack

 

[Exoko]

its shown to not be switching. his attack fully misses with gun behind him and he can still land an attack

How does this prove he isn’t switching between strike arcs?
Infinite Technique:

• We are told it is multiple strike arcs (from techniques he has Copied) behind seemingly one movement
• We are told this makes it unpredictable

For that scene you mentioned:
- We see Johan do a simple movement yet still land an attack, to land an attack you have to physically touch your opponent and that never happened with the strike he showed (as you said) hence there was another attack mixed in.

From what I see this just further proves my point.

Unless you believe he has invisible attacks or something w/o the outline given to other characters and this IA being his entire path, which is outlandish

 

[Pyro9278]

It makes no sense that Johan unlocked Invisible Attacks when it is implied that it is a completely different ability from an Own Path and to top it off has nothing to do with Johan's experiences.

 

[Dinozxd]

As far as I know, Daniel's path makes him be able to see the attack patterns of his opponent's attacks via his senses. So it's pretty much a Analytical Prediction via Enhanced Senses ability. His path doesn't give him a huge speed amp or anything, just makes him see the attacks before they're performed. While from the panels we see that it's a speed feat, if we take the full context into account; the feat is simply wrong due to how Daniel's ability works.

As for Johan "blitzing Gun": He doesn't. His path is simply: "Even if I perform a simple kick, there are hundreds of kicking techniques within that simple kick; so it becomes impossible to read.". In other words, literally the opposite of Daniel's path. "Infinite attack patterns" vs "sensing every attack pattern".