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It is called a Realm just like Earth and Неаven so…
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Mythic381
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When was Earth ever called a realm?
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the actual name is "mortal realm" not Earth realm, also the grimoire allows you to go into outer space and travel through that, and all of that is still considered inside of the mortal realm, also Paimon says that the job of Stolas is to study earth skies/the mortal realm stars (which sounds weird if you think only the planet counts has the realm).
now, unless you want to say that outer space is another realm different from earth/mortal realm...i don't even know what to tell you.
it wasn't
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Sera said they’ll need to be closed from other realms, and it was also called a mortal realm.
The statement does not say that outer space is mortal realm: just that grimoire grants access to Earth’s skies and helps observe mortal realm. There is no implication that one is inside the other - these are independent statements.
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Yes, but the mortal realm does not just mean earth, it also includes the outer space (unless you think that is a separated realm)
it says earth skies (aka, space)and stars, clearly, space is also included in the mortal realm.
unless you think it reffers to Earth atmosphere...why?Stolas job is linked to astrology, what part of astrology is viewing the atmosphere?
Mythic381
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That doesn't mean Earth is a realm? That could be referring to the universe that Earth resides in.
Yes, he does say the Earth's sky, but he elaborates also saying the stars, which obviously refers to space too, why would it be limited to Earth only and not the space of the mortal realm???
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Yea, protect from Hell planet which is a Realm and Earth universe which is a Realm… that makes no sense sir.
He says it, then proceeds to say that it gives access to mortal realm. These two are independent and do not come together.
Like, let’s say I give someone phone and say they can research the entire internet with it. Then I tell them they will learn about Europe using the phone. Does this mean Europe is the entire internet? No, it’s even the opposite here.
The two statements are independent, that’s the point.
Mythic381
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??? I don't understand a single thing you just said.
The mortal realm which Earth resides in, I don't see what the point here is?
Uh what??? Paimon gave the grimoire to Stolas so he can study Earth's skies and the stars which reside in space, and we know that because he uses it to see a solar system collapse with Octavia and when Octavia used it to see Azathoth's tears.
Also I'm not sure what any of this argument is trying to prove, that being called a realm can just be referring to being a planet rather than an actual universe? Literally when was that ever implied? Heaven and Hell are called universes alongside realms, and mortal realm is clearly referring to the universe as a whole, how do I know it? because when Paimon said this:
He says the mortal realm after, why would the mortal realm just be referring to Earth if he goes on to say that Stolas will study the stars which obviously don't exist in a planet?
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man, Hell is another dimension, not a planet.
How?that is like saying the earth is a dimension because Earth is located in the dimension Gea (Sendokai champions reference), even when it is made clear that EARTH is a planet in the dimension, not the dimension itself.
aka, the mortal realm is not earth, EARTH IS in the mortal realm.
what kind of comparison is this?
Earth is not a realm, earth exists in the mortal realm
Chritin
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Hey so I'm assuming other people already talked about it, but are there any plans for scaling off the Might of Lillith in the finale / the overlords controlling its energy and destroying it?
By my estimates (assuming destroying pentagram city would be just baseline city level; 6.3 megatons), that makes Lucifer's energy at least Low 7-B (Carmilla said it would nuke half the city; 3.15 megatons), and then High 7-C for the overlords individually (14 overlords contained the weapon; 225 kilotons)
By my estimates (assuming destroying pentagram city would be just baseline city level; 6.3 megatons), that makes Lucifer's energy at least Low 7-B (Carmilla said it would nuke half the city; 3.15 megatons), and then High 7-C for the overlords individually (14 overlords contained the weapon; 225 kilotons)
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Mythic381
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both are accepted as calcs, only left is to get them approved, though we can wait for a possible cosmology upgrade ig.
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Carmila's machine overheats
ShionAH
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Characters below the God tiers wouldnt scale to Might of Lilith but the explosion only so that can be added to their profiles and the higher characters can wait for a cosmology upgrade
Mythic381
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Who got Vivziepop cooking like that
Mythic381
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I'm guessing that the explosion is weaker than the laser, though since there was 16 of them, the results are divided by 16 which is 8.4 Gigatons, aka 6-C or Island level.
Chritin
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Below Heaven - Made in Hell
Carmila's machine overheats
Not hating, just shocked lol
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Tbf we don’t know how much each contributed
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Imagine watching Helluva Bum
I was going solely off the statement, so if what you said is the plot of HB… well Earth is a universe and Hell & Неаven are just planets due to visuals ig, they were never stated to be parallel anyways.
And it does really make sense that they are located in a separate universe from Earth given it’s afterlives ig.
Chritin
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Yeah, it'd just be an average for each. Characters would still have scaling relationships based on other statements. Like obviously even if we assumed each contributed equally, we'd still list characters like Husk and Niffty downscaling off of Alastor, or Alastor generally upscaling the other overlords, etc.
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no, the realm where earth is located is a universe.
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It will be basically average
Top Tiers will be High 6-A+ ye.
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That’s what I meant. Worded poorly. My bad.
Eden_Warlock99
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Weapon was overloading and the first beam that destroyed the barrier to Heaven barely drained Lu at all compared to the ones Vox used with his own wires, the explosion definitely shouldn't be leagues weaker than the initial beam.
Unless we're saying Seraphims are 6-C while Lu is 5-C lol
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man...come on, we have the feat of them creating the universe...or earth...please
Mythic381
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It took 5 or 6 (iirc) to create the barrier, while Lucifer's power on its own destroyed it.
Eden_Warlock99
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Well we plan to downscale Adam to Lu, no? Seraphims outrank Adam.
DarkLock92
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I'm pretty sure only Sera was a seraphim, cause she's the only one with six wings, the others appear to be members of the numerous angel species we see in the courtroom.
Mythic381
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Well my point is that Lucifer is massively stronger than Sera and the other Angels who created the barrier.
I'm pretty sure they other members are Elders.
DarkLock92
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That is probably true
The other members can actually be seen alongside other members of their species during the courtroom, I've actually made a Reddit post about it.
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Lute vs Naoya is gonna be lit
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Too much headcanon at this point buddy
Mythic381
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Why would that even matter anyways, no one has shown any power comparable to Lucifer, everyone downscales from him.
ShionAH
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Carmille and Vaggie literally had an entire scene breaking and wrecking the weapon, the explosion wasnt its intended use just a side affect of all these reasons thats why it would be weaker
Eden_Warlock99
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And it was immediately rendered null the moment Vox synced with the weapon and started siphoning even more energy from Lu.
Are we seriously saying Lu got exhausted, getting knocked out no less, cause Vox was leeching 6-C energy from him? The same guy who's basically 5-C?
ShionAH
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We don’t know if that fixed it, it still took heavy damage from Vaggie and Carmille who I have to remind you BUILT THE DAMN THING. She would know how to weaken it.
Eden_Warlock99
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Yes, and they managed to disable the machine for a few seconds. That’s it.
Nowhere is it even implied that said brief shutdown or Vox directly siphoning Lu's energy weakened its output or neutered the beam.
Hell if anything the shows tells us the opposite since it started OVERLOADING from the excess energy.
Next thing you'll tell me is that the wires inside the machine (That could pierce Lu) are actually stronger than the beam itself lol
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Maybe, maybe he got exhausted because Vox was spamming the hell out of the weapon against Alastor prior to the explosion?
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