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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

no lol. PB is still fast for top tiers,
It can be ignored if it's just one against multiple and it's supersonic to an unknown degree of speed
Projection sorcery is still <mach 1 and blitzes almost everyone, Naobito is still top 2 sorcerer and so on
Are we serious right now? The guy was obviously meaning to ignore all the projection sorcery statements otherwise what'd be the point in making that statement?
 
wait how does the current scaling stop a Rela feat from Sukuna being valid. Even 15f is a blitz tier above the rest of the verse
Should I make a crt for it? (And rela mba kashimo too)
Its not gonna go well tho
 
Could the statement about full potential Takaba being able to oppose Gojo be used to say Gojo is HH+?
 
I feel like a possible problem could be that Higuruma and Yuta was able to perceive Gojo's Domain opening slightly faster than Sukuna's, this should give them relativistic perception speed since the expanding of the domain is as fast (if not faster) than Gojo and Sukuna's physicals


if we go off Buraqi's calc of how fast Gojo's domain gives information, it implies that characters with Rel or above perception speed could resist the domain's sure hit which we don't see in the story at all
 
if we go off Buraqi's calc of how fast Gojo's domain gives information, it implies that characters with Rel or above perception speed could resist the domain's sure hit which we don't see in the story at all
This reasoning is wrong. I would write below why
 
It can be ignored if it's just one against multiple and it's supersonic to an unknown degree of speed
with this logic we could ignore mach 3 too 😭
Are we serious right now? The guy was obviously meaning to ignore all the projection sorcery statements otherwise what'd be the point in making that statement?
??? it was "what if we ignore mach 3" which isnt even related to PS
 
if we go off Buraqi's calc of how fast Gojo's domain gives information, it implies that characters with Rel or above perception speed could resist the domain's sure hit which we don't see in the story at all
1. I don't think having higher perception speed would give proportionally higher ability to perceive information. And btw, do you think characters with infinite speed would be immune to Unlimited void? But I don't want to argue about this for now. I will just assume this assumption is right.
2. Human sensory system takes information in rate of 1 billion bit/s, and our nervous system heavily filters this data to reduce cost of processing data. Human conscious thought rate is 10 bit/s(100 million slower than sensory system). Unlimited Void targets mind directly, AFAIK. 1 second of information directly to your mind is equivalent of 3.3 years of normal informational input. You would have need Rel perception speed to resist UV if it gave 1 second of information per 1 second. But It gives 6 months of direct sensory input in 0.2 seconds. Opponent would need heavily MTFL+ perception to resist this.
In conclusion, Sukuna not resisting UV is not argument against him having Rel perception (there are other problems with it, but not this particular one)
 
why can we supposedly ignore 1 statement, but cant 2?
Why would he even ask the question if the answer was gonna remain unchanged?
lol what, he said that if not for mach 3 the verse would be rel, i answer that even without mach 3 verse still wont be rel
Common sense is a thing yknow
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why can we supposedly ignore 1 statement, but cant 2?
Because one statement is a concrete ceiling for high tiers while the other is a variable that weaker characters have shown capability to react to
lol what, he said that if not for mach 3 the verse would be rel, i answer that even without mach 3 verse still wont be rel
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Dude. I'm not gonna fall for this bait anymore
 
1. I don't think having higher perception speed would give proportionally higher ability to perceive information. And btw, do you think characters with infinite speed would be immune to Unlimited void? But I don't want to argue about this for now. I will just assume this assumption is right.
Perception is literally all about your speed to process information
Infinite speed characters would necessarily already have to be able to perceive their own speed so the information given by Unlimited Void would get dealt with in 0 time

2. Human sensory system takes information in rate of 1 billion bit/s, and our nervous system heavily filters this data to reduce cost of processing data. Human conscious thought rate is 10 bit/s(100 million slower than sensory system). Unlimited Void targets mind directly, AFAIK. 1 second of information directly to your mind is equivalent of 3.3 years of normal informational input. You would have need Rel perception speed to resist UV if it gave 1 second of information per 1 second. But It gives 6 months of direct sensory input in 0.2 seconds. Opponent would need heavily MTFL+ perception to resist this.
In conclusion, Sukuna not resisting UV is not argument against him having Rel perception (there are other problems with it, but not this particular one)
Your math is incorrect. Buraqi's calc, that puts it at Rel speed, already factored that the information happening in 1s instead of 0.2s
Gojo uses Unlimited Void for 0.2 seconds which floods the minds of the civilians around with 6 months worth of information, stunning them. I'll calc this

0.2* 5 = 1 second

6* 5 = 30 Months

30 months = 7.884e+7 seconds

1/7.884e+7 = 1.26839168e-8 seconds (Relativistic)

So it sends out One second worth of info in every 1.26839168e-8 seconds
 
Infinite speed characters would necessarily already have to be able to perceive their own speed so the information given by Unlimited Void would get dealt with in 0 time
If it how wiki treats this I won't argue.

Your math is incorrect. Buraqi's calc, that puts it at Rel speed, already factored that the information happening in 1s instead of 0.2s
Buraqi calc is wrong because it doesn't factor in fact that UV directly overload target with information, bypassing system that trims down received sensory information by a factor 10^8. Using 0.2s instead of 1s by error doesn't change fundamental math at all. Conclusion remains same: you need to have MFTL+ perception to resist UV
 
Buraqi calc is wrong because it doesn't factor in fact that UV directly overload target with information, bypassing system that trims down received sensory information by a factor 10^8. Using 0.2s instead of 1s by error doesn't change fundamental math at all. Conclusion remains same: you need to have MFTL+ perception to resist UV
I am pretty sure that isn't how perception feats are treated here. Might need to ask a CGM about it tho
 
I am pretty sure that isn't how perception feats are treated here. Might need to ask a CGM about it tho
?!? Calc uses time it took for Mahito to became functional again to calculate his perception speed. You mean that?
Weren't curses literally stated to be more resilient against UV? We shouldn't try to use this Mahito feat to calc his perception speed in the first place.
 
?!? Calc uses time it took for Mahito to became functional again to calculate his perception speed. You mean that?
Weren't curses literally stated to be more resilient against UV? We shouldn't try to use this Mahito feat to calc his perception speed in the first place.
honestly I don't really agree with that part of the calc either. I'm just using the unlimited void part
 
honestly I don't really agree with that part of the calc either. I'm just using the unlimited void part
1. Yeah, it doesn't make sense
2. My argument is simple: UV both overloads target with giant amount of data, and targets mind directly. Both of them increase amount of information needed to process by roughly around 10^8, and they stacks with each other. Sukuna not resisting UV is not anti feat to his potential Rel perception, since Rel perception is not sufficient to process it.
3. If you still unsure, let's ask CGM
 
1. I don't think having higher perception speed would give proportionally higher ability to perceive information. And btw, do you think characters with infinite speed would be immune to Unlimited void? But I don't want to argue about this for now. I will just assume this assumption is right.
Probably. Perception speed is literally defined as the ability to quickly process and understand sensory information.
2. Human sensory system takes information in rate of 1 billion bit/s, and our nervous system heavily filters this data to reduce cost of processing data. Human conscious thought rate is 10 bit/s(100 million slower than sensory system). Unlimited Void targets mind directly, AFAIK. 1 second of information directly to your mind is equivalent of 3.3 years of normal informational input. You would have need Rel perception speed to resist UV if it gave 1 second of information per 1 second. But It gives 6 months of direct sensory input in 0.2 seconds. Opponent would need heavily MTFL+ perception to resist this.
"Perception speed refers to a character's ability to quickly process and understand sensory information" it's best to use how fast an average human observes and processes stimuli rather than the speed sensory system gathers data at. Unless I'm too dumb to understand this, the speed the brain processes and unconsciously sorts information out isn't the speed a human directly actively registers data in their head
"1 second of information directly to your mind is equivalent of 3.3 years of normal informational input." where does this come from
 
?!? Calc uses time it took for Mahito to became functional again to calculate his perception speed. You mean that?
That's how much time it took for his brain to perceive the information and sort it out, possibly consciously rather than unconsciously
Weren't curses literally stated to be more resilient against UV? We shouldn't try to use this Mahito feat to calc his perception speed in the first place.
They are? Isn't that just because they are faster than humans and thus process stuff faster? Link it
 
It practically is since no one is allowed to be massively faster than it except maybe Gojo and Sukuna
then other ones would also be a "ceiling" in the same way
I don't know, maybe ignoring the ability to put 2 and 2 together and cherrypicking a simpleass question?
didnt cherrypick anything, you're making stuff that simply isnt there
 
"1 second of information directly to your mind is equivalent of 3.3 years of normal informational input." where does this come from
From source, sensory system processing speed is 1 billion bit/s, conscious thought processing speed is 10 bit/s. 1billion / 10 = 10^8. 10^8 seconds is 3.3 years.
To reiterate: human sensory system takes much more information than nervous system. It trims and filters such information immensely, so our nervous system physically could cope with it. If I could directly load into your brain 1 second of visual information you see, your brain would suffer severely(at least for some time)
 
They are? Isn't that just because they are faster than humans and thus process stuff faster? Link it
It's written on cursed energy page that cursed spirits have limited resistance to mind manipulation, due to having different brain structure. Source is Gege comments in chapter 229.
 
Sukuna reacting to the emw is only a reaction speed feat. It would be kinda crazy having him be Hypersonic with Rela reactions.
that's hilarious

also would the WoG statement implying Gojo could've dodged WCS if not offguard mean possibly FTL reactions?
 
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