Ichigo Kurosaki vs Mori Jin [1-9-0] (Grace)

[MochOath]

not a stomp trust
Ichigo Kurosaki (Merged Hollow Form)

Attack Potency: Possibly 168.8 ExaFoe, Possibly 1.688 ZettaFoe with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho
Durability: Possibly 168.8 ExaFoe
Lifting Strength: 68.8 billion Metric Tons (Class T)

Mori Jin (World Competition Arc)

Attack Potency: Possibly 71.4 ExaFoe
Durability: Possibly 71.4 ExaFoe
Lifting Strength: ≈949 Sextillion Metric Tons (Class Y)

Ichigo's Bankai is restricted
Mori Jin's Jeahbongchim Acupuncture is restricted
Speed is equalized

Ichigo: Specterxxxx
Mori: DavidTPPM, Black-san112, Kaydee1648, M2u12, MannyQ361, Yeolban, MintyBoi1, Majinere566, AlternativePrinciple
Inconclusive:

 

[MochOath]

Big ups to the GoH supporters for having a very organized Mori profile

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I Vote for Mori Jin. Mid to High-Difficulty.

Jin Mori’s More Consistent Top Attack Potency (4-A Monkey King Mode Without Needing a Big Charge),

Far Superior Skill and Clone Spam.

Nasty Internal/Biological Hax that Doesn’t Care as Much about Raw Durability Gives Him the Edge.

Ichigo is 168.8 ExaFoe, and Mori’s AP is (71.4 ExaFoe) lower than this

 

[Zabazab]

Ichigo is 168.8 ExaFoe, and Mori’s AP is (71.4 ExaFoe) lower than this

It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment.

• An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.

 

[MochOath]

please dont tell me this match isnt possible

 

[DavidTPPM]

please dont tell me this match isnt possible

Zabazab is saying that you can restrict Jeahbongchim for Mori and GRCGT and bankai for Ichigo to make the stats closer since they're amps which have a separate tier and the characters can consciously restrict themselves from using them.

 

[MochOath]

Zabazab is saying that you can restrict Jeahbongchim for Mori and GRCGT and bankai for Ichigo to make the stats closer since they're amps which have a separate tier and the characters can consciously restrict themselves from using them.

so everything's good to go?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

No resistance to Soul Crush

 

[DavidTPPM]

No resistance to Soul Crush

Soul crush isn't working because of core element fuckery (Ichigo would need CM3 and IM2 to affect it) + GoH characters have by nature soul damage resistance (it's accepted already but I didn't put it on profile as I plan to include it in a verse specific ability)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Anyway Mori should take this low maybe mid diff.
-Pretty huge skill and intelligence advantage
-Even bigger hax advantage (acupuncture, dura neg, power mimicry)
-Better equipment (Yeoui + Geundoowun + armorsuits)
-Far better AD
-Far higher LS (Mori should actually be mutli-stellar but unless staff actually starts evaluating my CRTs I can't fix it. Still he has a huge advantage even without it)

The only relevant advantage Ichigo really has is higher AP where his GRCGT can potentially one shot Mori

 

[MochOath]

Soul crush isn't working because of core element fuckery (Ichigo would need CM3 and IM2 to affect it) + GoH characters have by nature soul damage resistance (it's accepted already but I didn't put it on profile as I plan to include it in a verse specific ability)

He also has resistance to it listed in his The National Competition Arc key, "Resistance to: ... Soul Manipulation (Was unaffected by Greed swallowing him)"

Anyway Mori should take this low maybe mid diff.
-Pretty huge skill and intelligence advantage
-Even bigger hax advantage (acupuncture, dura neg, power mimicry)
-Better equipment (Yeoui + Geundoowun + armorsuits)
-Far better AD
-Far higher LS (Mori should actually be mutli-stellar but unless staff actually starts evaluating my CRTs I can't fix it. Still he has a huge advantage even without it)

The only relevant advantage Ichigo really has is higher AP where his GRCGT can potentially one shot Mori

counted
Yeoui as better equipment than zangetsu is crazy tho

 

[DavidTPPM]

He also has resistance to it listed in his The National Competition Arc key, "Resistance to: ... Soul Manipulation (Was unaffected by Greed swallowing him)"

That is true, HOWEVER, that doesn't count for reiatsu crush specially.
Greed is soul absorption and resisting soul absorption doesn't necessarily mean you resist soul damage and vise versa.

It doesn't really matter here specifically but just a heads up that soul manip resistance doesn't necessarily cover all soul manipulation hax.

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Yeoui as better equipment than zangetsu is crazy tho

Zangetsu is effectively just a spiritual sword. Yeoui on the other hand can change its width, length, and density at will while being heavier than a planet. Mori can make it very thin to cut his opponents, make it thick to shield himself, extend it towards the enemy like a bullet, use it for mobily by pushing himself, and crush his opponents with its mass and density manipulation.

It may sound crazy at first but Yeoui has a far better range of uses and is extremely well balanced.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

So technically Ichigo can't do nothing in this match?

 

[DavidTPPM]

So technically Ichigo can't do nothing in this match?

I mean he has an AP advantage at the start and a one shot advantage with his strongest attack so he can straight up kill Mori with those if they land.
Mori would just dodge them but it's not like there's some defensive hax that takes away any possible win con from Ichigo.

I also wouldn't say the skill gap is so huge that Ichigo straight up gets neg diff skill stomped. If this was Mori Dan then yeah but world comp Mori is a lot less skilled than his later versions.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I mean he has an AP advantage at the start and a one shot advantage with his strongest attack so he can straight up kill Mori with those if they land.
Mori would just dodge them but it's not like there's some defensive hax that takes away any possible win con from Ichigo.

I also wouldn't say the skill gap is so huge that Ichigo straight up gets neg diff skill stomped. If this was Mori Dan then yeah but world comp Mori is a lot less skilled than his later versions.

Ichigo can't kill Mori with one attack (The difference between them is only 2.364×), this is stomp in favor of Mori, Ichigo can't one-shotted him and his haxs can't affect him.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ichigo can't kill Mori with one attack (The difference between them is only 2.364×),

GRCGT is 23.6x above Mori's durability so a direct point blank blast absolutely does have enough force to do fatal damage.

this is stomp in favor of Mori, Ichigo can't one-shotted him and his haxs can't affect him.

This is a really weird line of thinking I see in many vs threads. Just because Ichigo doesn't have a way to stomp Mori doesn't mean he gets stomped.

Is the match up conclusive? Yeah.
Is it instantly a stomp? No. Ichigo has win cons and time to actually pull them off.

 

[MochOath]

Right now im maybe leaning toward Mori, but ill wait a bit until bleach supporters arrive and provide args for ichigo before i vote

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Right now im maybe leaning toward Mori, but ill wait a bit until bleach supporters arrive and provide args for ichigo before i vote

Might as well do so since I've been reading it lately

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Honestly Ichigo's best chance is skills diffing (which he can't do here) and Bankai, but he has no counter to Mori crushing him with the staff

 

[MochOath]

Honestly Ichigo's best chance is skills diffing (which he can't do here) and Bankai, but he has no counter to Mori crushing him with the staff

couldnt he just dodge it or flash step out of the way?

or just destroy it with a GRCGT with its 23.6x ap advantage?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

couldnt he just dodge it or flash step out of the way?

Yeah he can accelerate but I thought the staff was far beyond Ichigo's range in size?

or just destroy it with a GRCGT with its 23.6x ap advantage?

What's GRCGT? Getsuga Tensho?

 

[DavidTPPM]

couldnt he just dodge it or flash step out of the way?

He can but it's not like Mori will let him do that twice (hell he'll probably expect it even the first time and account for it).

or just destroy it with a GRCGT with its 23.6x ap advantage?

Destroying it effectively will be a little difficult. We've seen that even if destroyed Mori can still control Yeouis fragments (Mori basically only uses 1/2 of his Yeoui for half of the story) even if they're extremely small. He basically got a miniature shard of a cloned Yeoui inside Ardun as a splinter and broke him from the inside.
So if Ichigo simply slices it in half Mori will still expand the broken part to crush him and if he fragments it into small pieces he risks inhaling it and having Mori expanding it inside his lungs.

Tho it's not like it's super important. Mori is vastly more skilled as a martial artist than with Yeoui so he'd be more than happy to fight barehanded if Yeoui gets destroyed. I'm just pointing out that if he needed or wanted to he could make up for Yeoui being destroyed.

 

[DavidTPPM]

What's GRCGT? Getsuga Tensho?

Grand Ray Cero Getsuga Tensho

 

[MochOath]

Yeah he can accelerate but I thought the staff was far beyond Ichigo's range in size?

They start around 4 kilometers away from each other but i can change that if its a problem

Destroying it effectively will be a little difficult. We've seen that even if destroyed Mori can still control Yeouis fragments (Mori basically only uses 1/2 of his Yeoui for half of the story) even if they're extremely small. He basically got a miniature shard of a cloned Yeoui inside Ardun as a splinter and broke him from the inside.
So if Ichigo simply slices it in half Mori will still expand the broken part to crush him and if he fragments it into small pieces he risks inhaling it and having Mori expanding it inside his lungs.

does he loose control over it if its in small enough pieces?
or can he control it as long as its in a solid state?

 

[DavidTPPM]

They start around 4 kilometers away from each other but i can change that if its a problem

does he loose control over it if its in small enough pieces?
or can he control it as long as its in a solid state?

Well he never really tried since besides 2 opponents his Yeoui was usually considered nearly indestructible but he could control it without problems when it was this small and he basically went an entire arc when a full half of the Yeoui was shrunken down to where it fit into his ear.

So I don't see 23ish times AP advantage (especially a cutting one like GRCGT) fragmenting it to where he can no longer control the Yeoui

 

[Foriaa]

ichigo might get folded right away at cqc, leaning Mori right now, will probably vote after seeing more arguments.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

GRCGT is 23.6x above Mori's durability so a direct point blank blast absolutely does have enough force to do fatal damage.

OP says it Mori start with 4-A AP/Durability not 5-B, so it's still Ichigo's AP are 2.364 above Mori's durability, so not one-shotted. Should noted i don't know how GRCGT work? Is it physically or energy attacks or something like this

Planet level (Took hits from<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mori_Jin#cite_note-ch155-100"><span>[</span>75<span>]</span></a> Ardun. Survived the explosion of the Sage Realm even while severely fatigued), Multi-Solar System level with Monkey King Mode (Comparable to his Attack Potency

This is a really weird line of thinking I see in many vs threads. Just because Ichigo doesn't have a way to stomp Mori doesn't mean he gets stomped.

Is the match up conclusive? Yeah.
Is it instantly a stomp? No. Ichigo has win cons and time to actually pull them off.

And what win cons? Just skills or physical attacks or something else? When Mori can just possibly dodge it and use his haxs against Ichigo

 

[DavidTPPM]

OP says it Mori start with 4-A AP/Durability not 5-B, so it's still Ichigo's AP are 2.364 above Mori's durability, so not one-shotted

Mori's dura is 71 exafoe. Ichigos GRCGT is 1.688 zettafoe AKA 1688 exafoe.

That's a wholeass 23.7x AP advantage while the one shot gap is 8x, making this almost 3x above the standard one shot gap.

And what win cons? Just skills and physical attacks, when Mori can possibly dodge it and use his haxs against Ichigo

Yes exactly. Ichigo can either kill Mori normally thanks to a 2.3x AP advantage or he can kill him with GRCGT which is several times above the one shot value.

This is not even close to being a stomp. It's just very decisive because both fighters have a very straightforward tactics.

 

[MochOath]

Should noted i don't know how GRCGT work? Is it physically or energy attacks or something like this

GRCGT is Ichigo's strongest attack in this key.

basically a massive energy slash from his sword

 

[MochOath]

checking out the bleach wiki, it looks like ichigo can use his getsuga tensho as an omnidirectional blast, so it might not be as easy for mori to dodge it as i thought

 

[DavidTPPM]

checking out the bleach wiki, it looks like ichigo can use his getsuga tensho as an omnidirectional blast, so it might not be as easy for mori to dodge it as i thought

He won't need to. What the wiki is referring to is Ichigo hitting the ground with GT and the shockwave from that knocking things away.

Meaning, due to how energy spreading works, getting hit by the shockwave would be astronomically weaker than getting hit by the GT itself. I mean even in the example they cite, Byakuya who was getting harmed by regular strikes from Ichigo pretty much tanked a point blank hit from Ichigo hitting the ground with GT.

So not only would it be out of character for Ichigo to aim for the ground but it wouldn't even be effective

 

[MochOath]

bro cant get anything

 

[Foriaa]

getsuga merchant

 

[Lloydblitzed]

OP says it Mori start with 4-A AP/Durability not 5-B, so it's still Ichigo's AP are 2.364 above Mori's durability, so not one-shotted. Should noted i don't know how GRCGT work? Is it physically or energy attacks or something like this

Ichigo using GT can throw big sword energy slash and gets a Speed amp. He can also shoot big energy beam via Cero

 

[MochOath]

If some bleach supporters arrive and make some convincing arguments that ichigo would be able to consistently land hits on mori, then the discussion can really get going

 

[DavidTPPM]

If some bleach supporters arrive and make some convincing arguments that ichigo would be able to consistently land hits on mori, then the discussion can really get going

I don’t think that's going to happen.
That aside did you put this in the general discussion thread for Bleach?

 

[poyraz]

He also has resistance to it listed in his The National Competition Arc key, "Resistance to: ... Soul Manipulation (Was unaffected by Greed swallowing him)"

As far as I remember, soulcrush is considered layered in the wiki, so a layered resistance is needed.

 

[DavidTPPM]

As far as I remember, soulcrush is considered layered in the wiki, so a layered resistance is needed.

It's not and hasn't been for over a year iirc (again not like it matters but yk)

 

[poyraz]

It's not and hasn't been for over a year iirc (again not like it matters but yk)

k but, Soul Crush can passively cause many different ailments other than Soul Manip, like as Paralysis, and Sleep, i can see resistance to sleep manipulation on Mori Jin's profile, but does he have resistance to Paralysis?

 

[DavidTPPM]

k but, Soul Crush can passively cause many different ailments

Soul crush isn't working because Ichigo can't affect Mori's soul without IM2 and CM3.

other than Soul Manip, like as Paralysis, and Sleep, i can see resistance to sleep manipulation on Mori Jin's profile, but does he have resistance to Paralysis?

It's on his fear page