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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

In Sonic 4: Episode I, Classic Sonic could override the control a Chaos Emerald had over the maze of it's Special Stage, controlling the rotation of the entire maze by himself, as opposed to during Sonic 1.

Gameplay mechanic or legit feat??
 
In Sonic 4: Episode I, Classic Sonic could override the control a Chaos Emerald had over the maze of it's Special Stage, controlling the rotation of the entire maze by himself, as opposed to during Sonic 1.

Gameplay mechanic or legit feat??
I would say gameplay mechanics. Would be an insane feat tho
 
Part of me is worried how the Archie fans will react to IDW getting in the game. Then again, my most wanted guest is Billy Hatcher, so who am I to judge?
As an Archie >>>>>>>>>> IDW person, Archie is done and its time came long ago, I would loved to see it continue whether it be Pre or Post Genesis but the world isn't exactly known for giving us what we want
 
You all think Erazor Djinn absorbing the Arabian Nights power alone could be scaled to smth like star level or higher? Wondering since the Arabian Nights does contain stars and such and it was vanishing/being "wiped clean"

EDIT: as Omegabronic pointed out starry skies are bare minimum 4-A. I'm aware of that and is why I said "or higher" as in case it was true that Erazor was absorbing stars, it would be at least that with downplay
 
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You all think Erazor Djinn absorbing the Arabian Nights power alone could be scaled to smth like star level or higher? Wondering since the Arabian Nights does contain stars and such and it was vanishing/being "wiped clean"
Starry Skies are 4-A/Multi Solar System level bare minimum
 
As an Archie >>>>>>>>>> IDW person, Archie is done and its time came long ago, I would loved to see it continue whether it be Pre or Post Genesis but the world isn't exactly known for giving us what we want
Archie is weird because caused a lot of the problems people complain about stuff with the Sonic franchise today. While Archie was daring I guess, I can't exactly call it good at all. It had cool hype and aura moments, but it never hit for me. it was a diamond in the rough situation. It was inconsistently good and only became better towards the end when Ian Flynn took the reigns. While 65% is a passing grade (generously even 65%), I won't praise it for being good HALF the time or less. This isn't even hate, I just felt like a lot of Archie was pretty skippable, weird, or just plain bad with the good stuff being hard to look for and only present at the tail end. IDW still has its problems, but I think it's consistently at least decent and I think it's fair that it isn't as daring as Archie was all things considered. Not to say Sega wasn't at fault too since they had FULL agency over Archie Comics' portrayal of their mascot character and people purely blaming Ken Penders are a little short-sighted (not saying he isn't at fault, just people not seeing the bigger picture). Sega realized way too late and the consequences are evident.

Personally, I wouldn't mind Archie if it weren't for tourist fans of it or people claiming that Archie's character portrayal should have just been THE character portrayal or everything about it should've been canon. IDW also has its issues, though I think people overplay some of them to hell and back. My biggest gripe is that IDW puts so much focus on the new characters and we hardly have any time with the characters that actually matter like the true main cast. I don't mind Tangle, Whisper, Lanolin, etc other character much if they were shown in moderation. They've been put in the spotlight too heavily and I find it jarring because I like them, but I don't like them THAT much. I'm glad, as of current, they're being put more in the background. I prefer IDW primarily because it's consistent, it lines up way more with actual canon, doesn't have the any weird deeplore (and not cringe Echidna stuff, Titan Tails, or honestly any of the other cosmic lore).
 
Goku with Nimbus as extreme gear LMAO.
Honestly, for Nimbus I think they should bring back Hovercraft from Riders. Players could color it yellow, and bam, Nimbus. That opens the slot for a different Dragonball vehicle while still letting players nearly exactly remake the Nimbus. I'd want a vehicle based on Toriyama's various drawings of cars and stuff. The intricate detail in his art would be cool to see recreated for a car.

Also if we do get Dragonball, I hope Bulma is one of the characters chosen.
 
Goku with Nimbus as extreme gear LMAO.
Goku gets either the Nimbus or one of the cars from the filler episodes

I'd like Frisk to get the jetpack they use on MTT's minigame, but that's an entirely different vehicle type so instead they either get Papyrus car or the River Person's boat as Extreme gear

Marisa gets her broom as Extreme Gear, easy. No contest.

And Sonic gets the Unleashed model skin so we don't have the bad Forces/Frontiers/SXSG model with those horrible quills anymore!
 
Even if Archie got actually good, I cannot lie, worst of Archie is undefendable. That shit mananged to survive only due to Sonic's name lmao

And even still, Archie has so much baggage, I kinda dont want its stuff in game canon. Im a bit hypocrite, because say DBS actually mananged to create a version of Broly that fits well, so why adapt Archie stuff? But I think youd need to do far more changes to make Archie characters work in games.

And ngl, Tangle and Whisper have been written kiiiinda badly last few years so I dont really care. Tbf, at least Crossworlds basically got every actual important character in, so its not like we are missing characters that could race. I kinda would like to see Infinite get redemption arc, but, alas... maybe racing game isnt best place to start.
 
Even if Archie got actually good, I cannot lie, worst of Archie is undefendable. That shit mananged to survive only due to Sonic's name lmao

And even still, Archie has so much baggage, I kinda dont want its stuff in game canon. Im a bit hypocrite, because say DBS actually mananged to create a version of Broly that fits well, so why adapt Archie stuff? But I think youd need to do far more changes to make Archie characters work in games.

And ngl, Tangle and Whisper have been written kiiiinda badly last few years so I dont really care. Tbf, at least Crossworlds basically got every actual important character in, so its not like we are missing characters that could race. I kinda would like to see Infinite get redemption arc, but, alas... maybe racing game isnt best place to start.
I agree. Archie was "good" towards the end. More like decent/passable. The best part was the Mega Man Crossover, but I genuinely hardly remember anything from it. It's, no pun intended, a blur. I think it's one of those cases where it DID survive off of Sonic's name and especially during a dry spell in quality when it came to Sonic and people clung to anything different for him. Different doesn't mean good and I don't really like Archie Sonic all too much. He's just annoying, really. It sucks when people and even he comic itself even tries to say he is THE Sonic. Like, NO. No you are not. I prefer Game Sonic because at least it isn't as much of a goddamn mess and, personally, I think the charm of Game Sonic far exceeds Archie Sonic in spades.

Onto the topic if Tangle and Whisper, I don't think they're written badly. I don't think they were written great, either. They're just decent, to me. They have highs, they have lows. What I don't like the most is the sorta fanservicey implications of them being in a relationship. Not saying a couple of silly Lesbos inhabitants can't be Lesbos inhabitants, but they're almost never their own characters, it feels like. It's always "Tangle & Whisper" and never "Tangle" and "Whisper". They are glued at the hip most of the time and it's even worse when they hog off the spotlight. I think the worst part was probably dragging out the Mimic stuff since, honestly, I thought he was kind of a stupid villain who felt comedically unredeemable just to make "a villain" that you can justify killing and forgetting. It sucked.
 
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Onto the topic if Tangle and Whisper, I don't think they're written badly. I don't think they were written great, either. They're just decent, to me. They have highs, they have lows. What I don't like the most is the sorta fanservicey implications of them being in a relationship. Not saying people can be a couple of silly Lesbos inhabitants can be Lesbos inhabitants, but they're almost never their own characters, it feels like. It's always "Tangle & Whisper" and never "Tangle" and "Whisper". They are glued at the hip most of the time and it's even worse when they hog off the spotlight. I think the worst part was probably dragging out the Mimic stuff since, honestly, I thought he was kind of a stupid villain who felt comedically unredeemable just to make "a villain" that you can justify killing and forgetting. It sucked.
I do want to see more of their lives. I'm down for that including them being together, but in general I just want to see more of the lives that Sonic characters live, and not just black and white battles of good and bad since the games already have that covered.
 
I do want to see more of their lives. I'm down for that including them being together, but in general I just want to see more of the lives that Sonic characters live, and not just black and white battles of good and bad since the games already have that covered.
I don't mind them being together, as a duo or romantically, but you just can't talk about one without the other. They aren't their own characters it feels like. They're a combo package and it sort of diminishes each other as individual characters, especially when they're fanserviced to being the yuri couple. Like, the fandom mostly only knows these characters for them probably being gay for each other and that sucks. I'm sure that there is more to these characters than that.
 
Yeah, Tangle and Whisper werent even meant to be duo but now they are basically glued together and thats boring.

Also ngl it kinda is queer-baiting because of Sega branding stuff that they are not going to be a couple because... they werent intended to be couple in the first place. But IDW staff still keeps baiting.

I do feel like Sega branding stuff is also why it took years for Sage to reappear. There was probably some hidden bureaucracy that needs to be dealt with.
 
I'm still surprised SEGA let Sage return and be playable so soon. I thought she was going to be sitting on the shy shattered side of the moon for some years while we get non-committal PR interview answers from Iizuka and such.
 
Sage became actually popular lmao

Hell, its a miracle Silver survived after his whiny worst battle in gaming debut, but sunk cost fallacy saved him ig. People hated Chip for being annoying so story banished it is to this day. Yacker wasnt a real character and Wisp are bit worried too in online. Deadly Six are barely getting better after CW but even then most would hate them. Boom games are just embarrassing. Classic games are separated due to branding, so they are their own thing. Infinite is a punching bag. Sonic characters had a ROUGH 15 years.

Sage immediately became liked and, even if it is copying certain turtle, people like that Eggman has a real team and family now. And fortunately it doesnt look like bad guy status is going away, Sage is going to help Eggman and likely be boss battle in future. Sure, there is a risk that this will stagnate eventually too, but frankly its not like Eggman would ever be booted off as the main villain, so I dont mind Eggman getting more notable members for his Empire.

Orbot and Cubot also survived not getting any major hate which is neat
 
Chip shows up all the time in alternative media, the reason he doesn't return is because of Unleashed's own plot being self-contained. At best you can complain that his bracelet never returned.
 
...Does he fr? If he was in Runners thats complicated due to it not being canon. He mostly isnt in Sonic Channel stories. Was he in Roblox/SpeedSim? That one is also bit odd after clarifications. He avoids major console game appearances. Archie Sonic doesnt really count since it was a pseudo-Unleashed story. Besides token history appearances like galleries, what is there?

Ig there was like, one Sonic Channel monthly art? But like, can he actually return no problem? ignoring that Sonic Team could write anything if they wanted lol
 
...Does he fr? If he was in Runners thats complicated due to it not being canon. He mostly isnt in Sonic Channel stories. Was he in Roblox/SpeedSim? That one is also bit odd after clarifications. He avoids major console game appearances. Archie Sonic doesnt really count since it was a pseudo-Unleashed story. Besides token history appearances like galleries, what is there?

Ig there was like, one Sonic Channel monthly art? But like, can he actually return no problem? ignoring that Sonic Team could write anything if they wanted lol
He has a Sonic Channel page to this day and is also in Rumble and Blitz. He doesn't show up because he's sealed inside the Earth because Unleashed's story is a one-off.
 
He has a Sonic Channel page to this day and is also in Rumble and Blitz. He doesn't show up because he's sealed inside the Earth because Unleashed's story is a one-off.
Ah ye, he has Channel page but like, so has Maria but she cant appear in any spin-off that easily lol

Blitz is collection of Sonic history so that one is probably not standard story game either (right?...)

Its more that, Chip probably has red tape and he wouldnt be allowed to be used in IDW. Thats probably big one, if you have red tape and cant appear easily, thats doesnt make character truly main cast.

And he is in Rumble? Huh. But ig thats technically Eggman created figures doing stuff, so it gets a pass too.

Story being one-off clearly isnt end for main cast. Sage managed to be part of CW and now IDW as well as Zetis. All game stories recently are basically one-offs really.
 
I suppose yeah, unlike other characters I listed, Chip really got a definite end so its not quite the same in a way.

Silver's appearance was technically retconned but Rivals showed he could appear in another time travel story. Yacker moved away, but unlike Chip, he can return and Wisps have stayed. Zeti literally didnt get proper ending in LW tho lmao. Infinite got a very disappointing ending, but he too was written off as "being consumed" by PR. Sage was also written an ending that allowed her to return.

Generally it seems the core cast, that can return easily in stories, were significantly more common pre-2007. After that its Orbot, Cubot, D6 and Sage who can return easily. Yacker technically can but Chip, Infinite and even Storybook characters are more restricted.

It does seem its going back to the groove that each major game can introduce characters that can stay for other stories.
 
You all think Erazor Djinn absorbing the Arabian Nights power alone could be scaled to smth like star level or higher? Wondering since the Arabian Nights does contain stars and such and it was vanishing/being "wiped clean"
I also thought of something like this for Ultimate Emerl, like dividing the AP by 60 since it takes 60 seconds to seemingly charge up the FEB to get the striking strength and durability (due to having that power in him and surviving his own punches) for a bit of a lowball. That being said it probably wouldn't change much given the pure scale of the FEB and the Chaos Emeralds possibly giving Emerl a 128x boost anyways bc of IDW. Only part that concerns me now is the power "overflowing," tho probably not as big as an issue as I think tbh
Chip shows up all the time in alternative media, the reason he doesn't return is because of Unleashed's own plot being self-contained
True, tho that being said I do think Chip could appear in Crossworlds as long as they do so non-canonically given the Werehog is there. Since Dark Gaia is asleep there's nothing to bring out the Werehog
 
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Yeah, Tangle and Whisper werent even meant to be duo but now they are basically glued together and thats boring.

Also ngl it kinda is queer-baiting because of Sega branding stuff that they are not going to be a couple because... they werent intended to be couple in the first place. But IDW staff still keeps baiting.

I do feel like Sega branding stuff is also why it took years for Sage to reappear. There was probably some hidden bureaucracy that needs to be dealt with.
It's pretty cringe, yeah. Again, not to say that they can't be gay, but it feels so weird and a little forced. Especially since they kinda just met and sort of traumabond (one-sided on Whisper's part), which is something you don't want in a relationship. I feel like if there WERE to be a relationship, it needs more time in the oven for it to feel truly natural in terms of progression and character development. They had a whole-ass lebanon pride flag behind them and stole the show. Sorta drowned out Shadow's cool Chaos Control moment LMAO. That and, to be honest, the backstory lore of Eggman booming Whisper's friends with Shadow Androids is really dumb. Even more dumb that Whisper and Shadow haven't had a meaningful interaction to possible build on that little bit of knowledge.

Either way, Tangle and Whisper don't feel like their own characters a lot of the time. Even when they do, it's really only Whisper with her trauma and that's basically dead and done with since Mimic got boomed (literally). I like them, I just want them to be done better. I don't care for the tokenism. I don't care for them that much that we need them to steal the entire comic forever. And I don't care for them being so attached to each other that they're relegated as "the lesbabs" or "it's half of Tangle and Whisper" or a number of other examples to use.
 
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