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Didnt Viv say the only thing that could kill him was another seraphim or higher thing? I dont think standard angelic steel works, she might have changed that tho
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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread
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Adam Beam speed Re-calc evaluation needed
this needs to be evaluated as its one of the most important for the verse https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/Hazbin_Hotel:_Adam%27s_lasers_recalc
Mythic381
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That glazer has some of the best Adam takes regarding his matchups.
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I can find people talking about that, but not the actual source.
Even if so, it's still stupid that an archangel is equalized by... a type of metal.
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Bro adopted the meme I sent in PMs
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Technically he can already be nerfed via being weakened half-dead Alastor’s victim, but I prefer waiting like Reaper yea.
There is like 99% chance Vox will get some sort of amp
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Why the hell would Alastor downscale in speed? If anything he should upscale, he was hit precisely zero times except the blinding light attack (which he was in uncomfortable position to dodge from i. e. floating in the air, and STILL blocked). He was only blitzed in weakened form.
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Casual. Adam.
Also, again, why would Alastor BLOCK when his two feet were planted on the ground(I rewatched the scene) if he wasn't slower?
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Angry. He was angry the entire fight. I’m so fed up with “holding back”, “casual”, “not even trying” bullcrap.
Also two can play this game: Alastor was also casual because I can make the stuff up as conveniently as I want to!
He was floating in the air via tentacles, he got on the ground because his magic was disabled.
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Non-sequitir: him being angry against Lucifer does not contradict the fact that he was against Alastor too. That… quite literally does not follow from another.
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Except Lucifer himself is unserious. And unlike your claims, there is not a single angry expression at his face and he jokes about him losing both wives. When he gets actually angry cuz of Charlie, he proceeds to blitz him.
Also you’re acting as if Alastor has huge anti-feats against Lucifer, which I believe is not the case?
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Eden_Warlock99
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He "caught" Lucifer cause Lucifer wasn't even looking at him what
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We see how Adam fights when he is serious. Insert every other argument here, because we've done this a billion times.
I guess Adam's sheer AURA can disable Alastor's magic, because he was in a braced pose when the camera cuts to him. Not a "Oh shit I just fell" pose. Let's say he was floating for the hell of it, all he has to do to dodge is move in any of the four directions(He's faster, BTW), instead of put his cane out to block(He's faster, BTW)
Do we want to say Alastor is that derift of skill and the ability to read his opponent that he landed and let himself get hit? Or is it that he's that ******* stupid in combat? Should I start using that as an argument against him in versus threads?
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Go drink some water, you're high.
Eden_Warlock99
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Are we genuinely arguing that Adam intentionally missed his attacks against Alastor?
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Yeah ngl Lucifer was just aura-farming that entire 'fight'. To quote the actual top dog himself
"Don't forget, you're in MY HOUSE b*tch"
Dude was giving him an Omni-Man level treatment when he actually tried
"Don't forget, you're in MY HOUSE b*tch"
Dude was giving him an Omni-Man level treatment when he actually tried
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And people have different fighting styles! He fought Charlie H2H, Alastor with axe, Lucifer with both dragging and lasers. I can be equally aggressive in boxing, with a knife, or a freaking mini-gun.
This doesn’t refute anything at ALL.
Magic works weirdly in fiction, you know? Also why would he just go back to the ground while he was pulling “I’m gonna wipe that grin off of your face”?
When you meet a sudden flashlight bright, your first reaction would be blocking it with hands, not cosplaying Sans.
Mythic381
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Counterpoint: I don't have eyes.
ShionAH
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Tf?
(If you pause you can see Lucifer is shocked)
(Adam literally escaping his grasp)
Are we fr guys?
ShionAH
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He literally does so in the fight, are we fr?
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I'm saying he was holding back his speed
Technically his spinning axe also proves he's at least somewhat faster.
Notice how with Charlie, he wasn't doing beams at all. And notice how with Alastor, the moment he got serious, he attacked with a beam then melee, and NOTICE, how with LUCIFER, he was doing a mix of beams and melee!
Humm dee humm.
AKA, Alastor is a room temperature IQ moron in your eyes. I will be remembering this for versus threads...
yeah, hands, not spindly ass cane in a wide BLOCKING POSITION.
I want you to go outside and grab a long stick, and then look at the sun(not for a long time) and see what your body does first: move a single hand to cover your eyes, or shove that stick out towards the sun.
This doubles as a way to get you to touch grass.
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Imagine having anti-feats for intelligence
My goat would NEVER
Mythic381
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This doesn't really refute anything, I could close my eyes out of arrogance but get shocked because I got outplayed.
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Nice headcanon.
No? That’s the speed of his telekinesis.
How about you stop going circular and actually address my argument?
Non-sequitir. Try again.
Because in case of light, guess what? It’s non-lethal! Analogy is an analogy, not a 1-to-1 exactly transformative thing.
The point is that while being blinded, you do not think coherently and try to block it rather than Sans-dodge it.
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I wonder if in you two’s heads he is like mega-sadistic-cunning manipulator who loves playing with victims and then like “ha gotchu I actually blitz you x8!”
If we are being realistic, if he were holding back and couldn’t tag, becoming annoyed/angry about it, he would’ve just blitzed outright right after that than keep “holding back” forthe sake of Shion's agenda whatever reason you have headcanonned. He is just not that type of a character.
If we are being realistic, if he were holding back and couldn’t tag, becoming annoyed/angry about it, he would’ve just blitzed outright right after that than keep “holding back” for
Mythic381
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Says Headcanon: the debator.
Which really should be weapon control and still scale to Adam because he caught the damn thing--
You mean what you're not even trying to do? You're first going to have to prove to me that an actively and visibly enraged Adam in the Lucifer fight is doing nothing different than an Adam who shows things other than Rage in the Alastor fight.
If you cannot do that, atop trying to get me to believe your headcanon that your potential man is stronger than he actually is. It's getting old.
No, Orange, I'm dead serious: I will be using that Alastor will not dodge instant kill ranged attacks in versus threads. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
So, Alastor, the man who has SEEN the fact Angels use holy light to do things, didn't see the big ******* charge up and think to dodge it? You're the one who used the light argument, not You're backpedaling and going "nuh uh he blocked it cause he knew it was lethal"
...So why did he not move five feet to the left or right? If he's thinking enough to know the light is lethal, why does he block it? You're arguing yourself into a corner
If you want to shove it where the sun don't shine go ahead, man.
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Adam wasn't precisely at his prime when Lucifer jumped at him. In fact, he was pretty much in the same state he was when Niffty killed him. If you see how he's drawn.
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What.
Attack speed ≠ combat speed.
Also I don’t see how it even makes him faster than Al.
He is still serious and angry against Alastor. He has time to have some other emotions because it’s his first fight. With Lucifer it’s like 4th.
Headcanon? Thing that happened on the screen?
Except it does not follow from my arguments. Hence non-sequitir.
He didn’t? This was the first time a laser attack was even used (IIRC).
I’m convinced that you just are not reading my arguments at this point.
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Alright you know what? As I said, two can play at this game!
Alastor was evidently holding back in the fight and not taking him seriously. He did not even pick up Angelic Weapons. He was always dodging melee, unlike in fight with Vox where he was actively teleporting and shapeshifting into a shadow, and since we know that a person cannot possibly have different fighting styles, and since teleporting/shapeshifting into a shadow >>> melee dodging, this further supports that he was holding back. He smiles the entire fight, laughs at him and openly declares himself tougher, even mocks and jokes about his cursing as “poetry” and that he is "next to die". He also refrained from some of his other abilities such as portals and explosion manipulation. And again, a person cannot possibly have different fighting styles as we all know. He also didn’t use his Demon Form until the very end, while with fodder sinners he did so in comic and episode 5. Given all that, it’s undeniable that Alastor didn’t take him remotely seriously at all!
How does your own medicine taste?
Alastor was evidently holding back in the fight and not taking him seriously. He did not even pick up Angelic Weapons. He was always dodging melee, unlike in fight with Vox where he was actively teleporting and shapeshifting into a shadow, and since we know that a person cannot possibly have different fighting styles, and since teleporting/shapeshifting into a shadow >>> melee dodging, this further supports that he was holding back. He smiles the entire fight, laughs at him and openly declares himself tougher, even mocks and jokes about his cursing as “poetry” and that he is "next to die". He also refrained from some of his other abilities such as portals and explosion manipulation. And again, a person cannot possibly have different fighting styles as we all know. He also didn’t use his Demon Form until the very end, while with fodder sinners he did so in comic and episode 5. Given all that, it’s undeniable that Alastor didn’t take him remotely seriously at all!
How does your own medicine taste?
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Would you like me to go get the frame where Adam is looking straight up, the same time you claim Lucifer """blitzed""" him? THAT is why I call you headcanon; the Debator. You're trying everything in your power to get whatever agenda you have through, even if it means saying shit that isn't true under any metric.
This isn't even something interpretation-based, you're straight up misinforming here.
Clearly looking away from Lucifer, who is flying in front of where his legs are... which is not where his head is.
So, it's headcanon, you're misinforming people, or you're straight up lying, pick one.
You missed the caught it part. Also this is where Alastor was thrusting a tentacle right into Adam's center mass.
He shows no signs of exhaustion mate. Like, the only time he shows signs of exhaustion is when he was beaten within an inch of his life.
Like the above?
Or perhaps the frankly entirely interpretation-based concept that is basically this entire argument and it depends on the one you ask who scales to who and how.
Doesn't help you, man...
He had an entire song with Lucifer who was spamming creation and other holy light things. He knows Angels can do things with light.
Would you like me to screenshot the section I bolded?
Honestly, yeah, Alastor probably was being fairly casual with Adam himself, so scaling's even more muddied
Will be adding this to Al's standard tactics section, basically under Casual and Serious lol
Mythic381
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Would be very racist of Alastor to assume all Angels use light yk?
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I don't have a hate boner for any particular character y'know. I like being challenged on things even if I find it frustrating from time to time-wait, huh.
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