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I don't think it isn't canon really, but yeah I think the characters we play as in the game aren't exactly the same as the real ones.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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This. The game is canon, but the events are specifically about Eggman’s personal game world with replicas of canon characters as game models to interact with that game world. So using it for anything is iffy.
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Well yeah this is a more apt description I moreso meant not canon in any relevant capacity to be used for scaling for mainline characters
I've been playing myself its definitely got a LOT of stuff that could be used for side game profiles for sure, they even have co-op boss battles or other feats ranging from tier 9 maybe up to tier 7 tops. And lots different skills and other stuff
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Sonic Rumble pages seem so ******* funny to me because it's essentially an in-verse Toy Story lmfao.
Unironically, having what is essentially Tier 8/7 toy pages seems perfectly fun and goofyand gives more opportunity to let people use lower-tiered characters
Unironically, having what is essentially Tier 8/7 toy pages seems perfectly fun and goofy
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Sonic Dash profiles would be good for like Wall or Small Building Level level
TheStinkeer
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YES GRAHHHHHHHHH NEXT THE TIME EATER WILL EAT MCDONALDS
Same lmao. My head was imploding for a bit trying to make sense of some parts of Generations. I feel like part of it is due to the devs just not communicating or lack of planning. Like, for example, Modern Eggman's boss gate. For a minute I was wondering if he let himself get erased but at the same time that couldn't have been the case. eventually I saw it as him just locking himself in it for hype moments and aura.
As for the hypertimeline I'm still thinking abt how it would let the "Time Eater erase all space and time" co-exist with the "jumping back and forth through time." I tried visualizing it once earlier in the thread with my understanding but that was likely very incorrect lmao
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Those powerscaling memes that have been popping up on Twitter are gonna have a field day with tier 8/7 Sonic toys
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The VSBW slander is really funny, plus most of them don't understand chain scaling lol.
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Add Guzzlord and Kirby to the mix
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Also just wanna point out rq cause I haven't seen anyone do so, the meteors from other dimensions Solaris shoots and Silver reflects are actually the Titans projectiles
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Considering Sonic can withstand having his soul eroded on a Type 2 Info level, and the Digitized Trio can take hits despite only being souls, yes.
I'm sure the DB characters get a few extra wins with their soul gimmick shit now, but the top dogs either resist or are too powerful/versatile for the ki hits to land.
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ShakeResounding
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Sonic scalers when they want to make fun of people: :^)
Sonic scalers when the verse scans need to be saved: :^(
Sonic scalers when the verse scans need to be saved: :^(
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(Yes, RedReaper6L6 from Vs Battles, I'm calling YOU out)
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Fezzih_007
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The former is way funnier bruh, that's not really shamefull
ShakeResounding
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The former is way funnier bruh, that's not really shamefull
ShakeResounding
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Also I was just messing with you Reaper 
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Which one? LolAlso I was just messing with you Reaper
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Nah I’m taking it PERSONALLY—Also I was just messing with you Reaper
Jokes aside, there’s not much shade being thrown when it’s true. I’m a lot less active in Sonic because my interest is more cursory.
To top that off, my current living arrangements (college baby!) means I have a lot less time to do powerscaling, so I focus on my main interests—Further reducing Sonic powerscaling efforts from my end.
And it’s made even WORSE because I’m not the type to do a lot of mini-revisions. If you’ve seen my work, you’ll know I’m the type to take on massive projects. For example, when DMC: PoC was believed to be A-Okay, I took on the task of fully creating a Profile for the main plot item Dante gets from it, The Book of Demons. After that I took the task of creating an exhaustive collection of all the weapons (of which was over 200) from the game Dante, Lady, and Vergil gets access to. Then when that went under because some schmuck faked scans I took a big break, and then I took the time to do a massive overhaul of GT Goku’s profile. After that, Baby’s (from DBGT).
In fact, I’m currently in a project RIGHT NOW, (Ratchet and Clank Profile Overhaul) it’s just been on pause because I’ve been busy and there’s no way for me to effectively get the scans I need to complete it without help.
What that means is if I do something Sonic-related, more often than not it’s gonna be a big thing that takes time, not anything less, and as such I’m not involved in those things, which means I’m not helping. And if I’m doing a big thing, you won’t see the result of that for awhile, so I’m still not helping. And if I’m too busy to do anything, well then I’m not helping anybody at all.
So yeah, I don’t take offense. It’s a true statement.
Unfortunately. For me, anyway. In time I will disprove it with a major project of some kind, I’m sure, but until then…It is what it is.
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Peak incoming...
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With possible talks of MAYBE higher level base scaling.6D with Immesurable speed vs DB, who don't have that
Damn, I wonder
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RATCHET AND CLANK MENTION LETS GOOOO I LOVE THEM SO MUCH-
ahem
yeah that sounds cool and stuff, I guess.
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Don't we already mog them in terms of base stats? Aside from Zeno and (potentially) timeline fused Zamasu, the strongest characters in the verse get high into Low Multi (6 universes) and MFTL+, whereas literally anyone in the Sonic verse who scales to Sonic gets to Low Multi (12 universes) and infinite speed
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Yeah, but it's just funny how there's arguments for more.Don't we already mog them in terms of base stats? Aside from Zeno and (potentially) timeline fused Zamasu, the strongest characters in the verse get high into Low Multi (6 universes) and MFTL+, whereas literally anyone in the Sonic verse who scales to Sonic gets to Low Multi (12 universes) and infinite speed
In an actual narrative fight, I had a funny idea of Base Sonic/Shadow (due to them not actually relying on forms until there's some higher-D enemies involved) being stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta and even into their higher forms (since in Dragon Ball, many people just seem to scale to the SSB forms).
It's also funny how people try to argue "well zenkais will make them stronger than Sonic/Shadow" until you bring up both of their insane Accelerated development that lets them not only catch up immediately, but ABSOLUTELY exceed their levels of power.
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If you want to see what it currently looks like at the moment. (Just Ratchet right now).
It’s the Original Saga P&A mostly complete, improved Renders, and all that jazz. I’ll be able to get more stuff once I find someone willing to help me scan-hunt across all the titles. I’ve mostly been using various transcripts to get by and scant scans because the Ratchet and Clank fandom have not seemed to care as much for archiving information for their franchise like say, DMC, Sonic, DBZ, etc. have.
EDIT: To get across how bad this situation is, the original Prima and Brady Guides didn’t even have online record of any kind until the SUMMER of THIS YEAR. As in, like, FIVE MONTHS AGO. For games that have been around since the EARLY 2000’s.
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I've been digging through some of Sonic's page and recompiling the scans based off of the sources inquestion, I started recently (mainly from the fact that I don't have much free time).
Also, genuinely curious, why isn't Chaos Energy some sort of UES like how it is for Archie? Besides the whole verse/scan situation, ofc.
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Honestly, trying to make sense of Generations for me personally is like trying to fit a square toy into a triangular hole; it ain't going to fit. I remember talking to friends about it offsite- and we did walk to the same conclusions (and essence) of hypertimelines in Sonic the Hedgehog, but the entire verse using the supposed time energy stated in the end of time to execute these weird feats- White space is just smth else man. I commemorate ALL Sonic scalers who really try to make sense of it- I couldn't myself LMAO.
And yes, my goat will infact transcend dimensions to get to mcdonalds.
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It is UES, but it doesnt have a page for it yet. It is in the works but it will take the next year at bare minimum to be released. A few supporters that would be important for it's implementation are busy on other verses at the moment.
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I ******* LOVE RATCHET AND CLANK WOOOOOO!!!!!
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Neat blog! 
https://drunkgiraffeblogs.blogspot.com/2025/11/drunks-blogs-mewtwo-vs-shadow-pokemon.html
Some things I, and probably some of you here, might disagree with, and some stuff was left out (but I can't hold that against them cause Crossworlds literally came out a month ago), but like 95% of the blog I find myself agreeing with them.
https://drunkgiraffeblogs.blogspot.com/2025/11/drunks-blogs-mewtwo-vs-shadow-pokemon.htmlSome things I, and probably some of you here, might disagree with, and some stuff was left out (but I can't hold that against them cause Crossworlds literally came out a month ago), but like 95% of the blog I find myself agreeing with them.
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I buy accuracy over agenda. Truth, justice, and a better tomorrow for the scaling of these Verses.
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I'm still half-asleep, what is UES again?
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Universal Energy System
Universal Energy Systems
Universal Energy Systems are a fairly common element in fictional stories possessed by certain characters to display incredible feats and powers, often being born out of fantastical or otherwise otherworldly elements such as Magic, Chakra, Chi and a myriad of other possible energy systems. Often...
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Ah, I see.Universal Energy System
smth the Egg Wizard for example benefits from and makes its low multi scaling a bit more solidUniversal Energy Systems
Universal Energy Systems are a fairly common element in fictional stories possessed by certain characters to display incredible feats and powers, often being born out of fantastical or otherwise otherworldly elements such as Magic, Chakra, Chi and a myriad of other possible energy systems. Often...
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The Egg Wizard is 1-C, were you talking about the Egg Salamander?Universal Energy System
smth the Egg Wizard for example benefits from and makes its low multi scaling a bit more solidUniversal Energy Systems
Universal Energy Systems are a fairly common element in fictional stories possessed by certain characters to display incredible feats and powers, often being born out of fantastical or otherwise otherworldly elements such as Magic, Chakra, Chi and a myriad of other possible energy systems. Often...
Funnily enough, you know what I was talking about earlier about the LS regarding Sonic Rush's feat? Yeah, the Egg Salamander, despite being 2-C, has Immeasurable lifting strength based on the Sol Emeralds moving Blaze's dimension towards Sonic's, something that should logically apply to the Chaos Emeralds and thus every baseline Super Form instead of Multi-Stellar.
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Nah I was talking abt Egg Wizard. To my memory both Eggman doesn't mention having "power he never imagined was possible" in JP, only his mech. And from what I've heard the JP manual doesn't mention Eggman learned of the Precioustones power.
discounting those, the only other way I see for Egg Wizard to get low 1-C or 1-C is through Super Sonic and Solaris scaling, only issue is the struggle to justify having Sonic get that AP, esp with the meteors in the fight being the Titans projectiles.
so yeah I find 2-C Egg Wizard much more reliable
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