that's with relative ap tho
Not in those cases it isn't.
It's an entirely LS-based feat. It's pulling action starting from a stand-still, they're using their, as we call it, "LS", you could say, to perform said harm against the opposing foe, and if, in this situation, we have multiple feats of characters not just hurting, but actively maiming each other with a certain level of strength, and this strength is both objectively below the character's here (from both calculated values, and even stated values in the actual source material), it'd be entirely ignorant and delusional to just pretend "nuh uh don't count" despite the consistency of it, no? Like at that point forces on that level is something they struggle with.
Not even the only times either, just mentioned Cell because he's above the Yamcha here, and could get dismembered simply due getting pinned and a slow over-time pulling motion from whatever 16 is.
Does Omni-Man start by grappling opponents or by flying fist-first at them? I acknowledge the point you’re making but the way Omni-Man approaches combat means he’s going to be disadvantaged when he opens with a punch that shatters his arm into paste.
Uh, usually yeah, Invincible dudes often use grabs and whatnot, sometimes as the first action even.
Though, Omniman has literally punched someone so hard before and broke his arms and didn't even flinch, it could literally happen and won't change the follow up.
Yamcha notices he can't break free of omni mans grip and just uses a shockwave turning nolan into paste
How can he notice it if he's been choked out?
guys lets stop arguing on this please
You
literally asked for it bro. What were you expecting to happen?
Can´t Yamcha, i don´t know just release his ki to pushed and obliterate omni-man?
For argument's sake, let's just assume Omniman doesn't like, Platinum Choke and halt the bloodflow to his brainTM, would Yamcha even do that to someone he perceives as magnitudes weaker? Like would Yamcha dust a dude trying to mug him down a street?
