Very minor Undertale upgrade

[ArachDusa]

During Sans Undertale's first appearance, he is able to effortlessly crush a branch which is stated to be too heavy for no Determination Frisk to pick up, apparently just by stepping on it. I don't know if it's a lifting strength or striking strength feat, and it's not an argument for a tier change since Sans is already on the same tier as Frisk, but I still think it should be on his profile.

 

[AyOgUyS]

During Sans Undertale's first appearance, he is able to effortlessly crush a branch which is stated to be too heavy for no Determination Frisk to pick up, apparently just by stepping on it. I don't know if it's a lifting strength or striking strength feat, and it's not an argument for a tier change since Sans is already on the same tier as Frisk, but I still think it should be on his profile.

nothing actually suggests sans crushed it or that he did it effortlessly

 

[ArachDusa]

nothing actually suggests sans crushed it or that he did it effortlessly

Except for the fact that Sans was following Frisk during that scene and right after Frisk walks past the branch, it instantly gets crushed. If Sans didn't do it, then who did? I guess Flowey probably could but he had no reason to do that, nor any indication that he was even present (Especially since Flowey is afraid of Sans). As for why Sans would do that... Why did he stalk Frisk from the shadows and act like he's threatening them just to prank them with a whoopie cushion? It doesn't take a genius to conclude Sans crushed the branch as part of his attempt to intimidate Frisk.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

10th Anniversary Stream confirms he used dynamite to destroy it

 

[ArachDusa]

10th Anniversary Stream confirms he used dynamite to destroy it

Then shouldn't he have dynamite listed in his abilities and optional equipment?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Then shouldn't he have dynamite listed in his abilities and optional equipment?

Actually misremembered it, the stick had dynamite installed in it.
Oh Toby also said he could've just smashed it with a bigger stick too.

 

[ArachDusa]

Okay, I watched the relevant part of the stream. Toby Fox was asked how Sans broke the stick, and his answer was:

I would like to this that he did that with a second, bigger stick. Or maybe it had dynamite installed in it and he put the detonator on the ground.

So this wasn't 100% confirmation - Toby himself isn't sure what happened, but he did acknowledge that Sans was responsible. Granted, Toby thinks he did this with preparation, but he should still have access to these abilities with preparation (And lifting strength if it's the first option). Also, Sans had time to prepare to fight Frisk in the genocide route and he didn't bring a bigger stick nor a detonator, so if we take this statement as canon, then it implies that Sans' AP when he isn't holding back is higher than what he can do with preparation anyway.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Except for the fact that Sans was following Frisk during that scene and right after Frisk walks past the branch, it instantly gets crushed. If Sans didn't do it, then who did? I guess Flowey probably could but he had no reason to do that, nor any indication that he was even present (Especially since Flowey is afraid of Sans). As for why Sans would do that... Why did he stalk Frisk from the shadows and act like he's threatening them just to prank them with a whoopie cushion? It doesn't take a genius to conclude Sans crushed the branch as part of his attempt to intimidate Frisk.

Based on Eden's response, sans either used a bigger stick or dynamite, so no LS upgrade for him

 

[ArachDusa]

Based on Eden's response, sans either used a bigger stick or dynamite, so no LS upgrade for him

If he used a bigger stick, which is big and heavy enough to crush the first stick, then he's able to lift that. Except that still wouldn't be a LS upgrade because he already has the same LS stat as Frisk, and the same AP too, so I don't see the point in arguing about this in the first place.

 

[AyOgUyS]

If he used a bigger stick, which is big and heavy enough to crush the first stick, then he's able to lift that. Except that still wouldn't be a LS upgrade because he already has the same LS stat as Frisk, and the same AP too, so I don't see the point in arguing about this in the first place.

Oh yeah, the downscaling so everyone gets to scale to almost everyone else
Forgot about that

 

[StrymULTRA]

If he used a bigger stick, which is big and heavy enough to crush the first stick, then he's able to lift that. Except that still wouldn't be a LS upgrade because he already has the same LS stat as Frisk, and the same AP too, so I don't see the point in arguing about this in the first place.

I don't think it's even a worth-noting feat, as it's basic human skill to be able to lift big sticks lol.

 

[ArachDusa]

I don't think it's even a worth-noting feat, as it's basic human skill to be able to lift big sticks lol.

What makes it worth noting is the fact that Frisk was unable to lift or move that stick at all, making Sans' strength superior to no determination Frisk's

 

[StrymULTRA]

What makes it worth noting is the fact that Frisk was unable to lift or move that stick at all, making Sans' strength superior to no determination Frisk's

This would make it an anti-feat for Frisk being Peak Human actually, given it's just a common-ass stick lol.

 

[StrymULTRA]

TBH there is also this which could be calculated for their LS however.