Tier 0 revision

[SuperNova55555]

I said how apophatism works in proper powerscaling, no its philosophical definition. And if we take philosophical definition, apophatism is simply describes God through negations rather than affirmations (as is the case with cataphatic theology). It's just a way of describing God, and in philosophy it's not used the way you use it. I studied philosophy, I know what I'm talking about.

What’s a “powerscaling” definition of apophaticism? Because what we use in powerscaling is the philosophical one.

 

[AyOgUyS]

It's easy to understand, you're wrong and we're right.

Truly the most intellectual, undebunkable argument in mankind's history

 

[MasterIsander]

Being apophatic doesn’t automatically put a character above every other cosmology—it just means they are beyond the framework of their own verse.

But you mean it. Because, for example, there is verse 1 where cosmology is High 1-B, but there is an apophatic character, and there is verse 2 in which cosmology reaches High 1-A. Then it turns out that the apophatic character in verse 1 will be above the entire cosmology of verse 2, which literally means that you put him above every other the cosmology. My revision is that apophaticity will only be considered if your verse has a High 1-A structure so that there are no such ridiculous moments.

The No Limits Fallacy doesn’t apply here, because Tier 0 isn’t assumed to have limitless feats. By definition, it exists outside all hierarchies and frameworks. It’s not a matter of comparing levels between 3D and 4D worlds—it’s about what it is, the absolute source or monad that defines what makes existence possible.

"But omnipotence is beyond everything bro, see, he is god, he can make himself beyond any hierarchies, it's not matter his cosmology is 3D, believe me!!!"

So even if a character originates from a High 1-B verse, if they are truly Tier 0, they aren’t being “placed above” anything. They are beyond the concept of placement itself, which is exactly what Tier 0 represents.

Fictional characters can't be beyond the concept of placement, because we, people, makes decisions to place fictional characters somewhere, fiction isn't beyond us.

Tier 0 isn’t for vs matches. It doesn’t matter if the character’s verse is High 1-B or 1-A—Tier 0 exists for things beyond all hierarchies, things that can’t be summed up into a tier. It’s about what they are.

If it's not for matches, why do we need it at all?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

This is the worse ragebait I've seen so far how are you guys falling for this?

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bro reminding me of this

 

[AyOgUyS]

"But omnipotence is beyond everything bro, see, he is god, he can make himself beyond any hierarchies, it's not matter his cosmology is 3D, believe me!!!"

Please don't act like this. It doesn't help your argument at all

If it's not for matches, why do we need it at all?

We index information about characters' statistics, the VS matchups are our secondary objective, our primary objective is to index information that is often, but not always, combat oriented

 

[HigashikataJobin]

But you mean it. Because, for example, there is verse 1 where cosmology is High 1-B, but there is an apophatic character, and there is verse 2 in which cosmology reaches High 1-A. Then it turns out that the apophatic character in verse 1 will be above the entire cosmology of verse 2, which literally means that you put him above every other the cosmology. My revision is that apophaticity will only be considered if your verse has a High 1-A structure so that there are no such ridiculous moments.

"But omnipotence is beyond everything bro, see, he is god, he can make himself beyond any hierarchies, it's not matter his cosmology is 3D, believe me!!!"

Fictional characters can't be beyond the concept of placement, because we, people, makes decisions to place fictional characters somewhere, fiction isn't beyond us.

If it's not for matches, why do we need it at all?

I know you are just ragebaiting, but I want to see if at least you've read the things before posting this.

Do you known how tier 0 works? And do you known what happens if two tier 0s are put to battle one another?

 

[MasterIsander]

Please don't act like this. It doesn't help your argument at all

I wanted to show the absurdity of your arguments in this way.

We index information about characters' statistics, the VS matchups are our secondary objective, our primary objective is to index information that is often, but not always, combat oriented

You're not an admin, how can you know about this? Someone call the admins.
And you haven't responded to my other statements, so that means you agreed with them.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A thread like this would necessarily need more thinking out and, in all likelihood, working with certain staff members beforehand. Not me, mind you.

Closing in light of the shitshow. If this is a genuine attempt, I advise you to incessantly bother Ultima.