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Tier 0 revision

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I'm making this post to change the description of tier 0. Now, in order to get tier 0, you must have a High 1-A structure in your cosmology, otherwise, even if the character fully conforms to the Apophatic, he does not get to tier 0. This update seems important to me because now verse can simply skip all power levels and immediately get to tier 0. It's the same as skipping school and going straight to college. No Limits Fallacy is a thing, you know. And don't even think about trying to explain to me that "Apophatic character surpasses the High 1-A structure by default," because this is pure No Limits Fallacy. So yes, after this revision, a character can now get tier 0 only if his verse has a High 1-A structure, so some characters will soon lose level 0.
 
Is that all? Will there be any counterarguments? Or you don't even know what you're saying.
 
You’d need to present an actual argument not based in “I don’t like it” to warrant a proper counter argument.
 
MasterIsander said:
I'm making this post to change the description of tier 0. Now, in order to get tier 0, you must have a High 1-A structure in your cosmology, otherwise, even if the character fully conforms to the Apophatic, he does not get to tier 0. This update seems important to me because now verse can simply skip all power levels and immediately get to tier 0. It's the same as skipping school and going straight to college. No Limits Fallacy is a thing, you know. And don't even think about trying to explain to me that "Apophatic character surpasses the High 1-A structure by default," because this is pure No Limits Fallacy. So yes, after this revision, a character can now get tier 0 only if his verse has a High 1-A structure, so some characters will soon lose level 0.
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Is this a ragebait attempt?
 
MasterIsander said:
I'm making this post to change the description of tier 0. Now, in order to get tier 0, you must have a High 1-A structure in your cosmology, otherwise, even if the character fully conforms to the Apophatic, he does not get to tier 0. This update seems important to me because now verse can simply skip all power levels and immediately get to tier 0. It's the same as skipping school and going straight to college. No Limits Fallacy is a thing, you know. And don't even think about trying to explain to me that "Apophatic character surpasses the High 1-A structure by default," because this is pure No Limits Fallacy. So yes, after this revision, a character can now get tier 0 only if his verse has a High 1-A structure, so some characters will soon lose level 0.
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Nah, it doesn’t actually matter whether a verse has High 1-A or just 1-A in its cosmology. As the current system states, Tier 0 is not a “cosmological” rank; it exists for entities that are beyond everything.

“They are beyond differentiation, changeless, indivisible, ineffable, self-sufficient, and completely unsurpassable.”
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Tier 0 doesn’t need confirmation of what exists below it—it exists for what it is. Yes, the current Tier 0 seems easy to achieve, and personally, that’s ass, but Tier 0 isn’t about comparison to lower tiers; it represents the final point of existence.

This is not a case of the No Limits Fallacy (NLF):

“This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits), it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).”
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Now for this,
You can’t call this a No Limits Fallacy. Tier 0 isn’t something that needs to demonstrate limits, because it is defined as the first, the monad, the source of all phenomena. They don’t need to “show” what they can do, because they are the origin of everything that makes things exist.

Also, That school-to-college analogy doesn’t really fit. Tier 0 isn’t a “next level” you reach after going through the lower tiers—it’s completely beyond the system. You’re not skipping anything; it’s just outside the hierarchy entirely. Treating it like a grade jump completely misunderstands what Tier 0 is.
 
Idk and idc if this is an attempted ragebait, i just share my view and if i'm wrong someone could correct me (my English is ass so yeah i use google to translate what i said).
 
MasterIsander said:
I'm waiting for competent people, not you.
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hello there yes so the hymns of unus mundus from super god hog rider schizo agarthamake ur arguments invalid due to the circumference of yakub’s forehead which is non Euclidean and curves space time (according to big bro gpt)
 
MasterIsander said:
Is that all? Will there be any counterarguments? Or you don't even know what you're saying.
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The issue is that there’s such a severe misunderstanding of what Tier 0 is on a fundamental level that I don’t think it can be adequately explained to you in a single thread. You really just need a bunch more exposure to the standards in general and what the terms you’re employing (apophaticism) even entail.

Also, you’re not allowed to make threads like this. iirc only Admins and above have permission.
 
HakutoRei000 said:
Nah, it doesn’t actually matter whether a verse has High 1-A or just 1-A in its cosmology. As the current system states, Tier 0 is not a “cosmological” rank; it exists for entities that are beyond everything.
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That's the problem. If your verse have only High 1-B cosmology, being apophatic = being beyond your verse (of course being apophatic doesn't means the character have authority over every fictional verses or even more so our real world), that would make him Low 1-A, because he is beyond cosmology of his verse, understand?
HakutoRei000 said:
Tier 0 doesn’t need confirmation of what exists below it—it exists for what it is. Yes, the current Tier 0 seems easy to achieve, and personally, that’s ass, but Tier 0 isn’t about comparison to lower tiers; it represents the final point of existence.

This is not a case of the No Limits Fallacy (NLF):
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Even you agree that it's bad, so why are you arguing with me? And yes, it's NLF, it's the same as in 2016, everyone put omnipotent characters above everything. Now you're putting apophatics above everything, nothing has changed, and you're misunderstanding the very concept of cosmological character comparison again.
HakutoRei000 said:
You can’t call this a No Limits Fallacy. Tier 0 isn’t something that needs to demonstrate limits, because it is defined as the first, the monad, the source of all phenomena. They don’t need to “show” what they can do, because they are the origin of everything that makes things exist.
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That's literally no limits fallacy. In my understanding, the absolute god of the 3D world will simply be destroyed by an ordinary person from the 4D world, this is how cosmology supremacy works.
HakutoRei000 said:
Also, That school-to-college analogy doesn’t really fit. Tier 0 isn’t a “next level” you reach after going through the lower tiers—it’s completely beyond the system. You’re not skipping anything; it’s just outside the hierarchy entirely. Treating it like a grade jump completely misunderstands what Tier 0 is.
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To be beyond all hierarchies, you must be above the High 1-A level, otherwise, if your cosmology is High 1-B in your verse, then there are other hierarchies above you, so your superiority over all hierarchies is refuted.
 
Super_Nova said:
The issue is that there’s such a severe misunderstanding of what Tier 0 is on a fundamental level that I don’t think it can be adequately explained to you in a single thread. You really just need a bunch more exposure to the standards in general and what the terms you’re employing (apophaticism) even entail.

Also, you’re not allowed to make threads like this. iirc only Admins and above have permission.
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I know very well how it works, which is why I can refute it with competence. Don't confuse ignorance and disagreement.
 
MasterIsander said:
That's the problem. If your verse have only High 1-B cosmology, being apophatic = being beyond your verse (of course being apophatic doesn't means the character have authority over every fictional verses or even more so our real world), that would make him Low 1-A, because he is beyond cosmology of his verse, understand?

Even you agree that it's bad, so why are you arguing with me? And yes, it's NLF, it's the same as in 2016, everyone put omnipotent characters above everything. Now you're putting apophatics above everything, nothing has changed, and you're misunderstanding the very concept of cosmological character comparison again.

That's literally no limits fallacy. In my understanding, the absolute god of the 3D world will simply be destroyed by an ordinary person from the 4D world, this is how cosmology supremacy works.

To be beyond all hierarchies, you must be above the High 1-A level, otherwise, if your cosmology is High 1-B in your verse, then there are other hierarchies above you, so your superiority over all hierarchies is refuted.
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Tier 0 isn't a tier in the same way as the others
Just like how 1-A doesn't depend on the below tiers (as it is its own separate thing; a guy can be 1-A in a cosmology that is only 0-D), Tier 0 is its own thing separate from all below tiers
 
MasterIsander said:
That's the problem. If your verse have only High 1-B cosmology, being apophatic = being beyond your verse (of course being apophatic doesn't means the character have authority over every fictional verses or even more so our real world), that would make him Low 1-A, because he is beyond cosmology of his verse, understand?

Even you agree that it's bad, so why are you arguing with me? And yes, it's NLF, it's the same as in 2016, everyone put omnipotent characters above everything. Now you're putting apophatics above everything, nothing has changed, and you're misunderstanding the very concept of cosmological character comparison again.

That's literally no limits fallacy. In my understanding, the absolute god of the 3D world will simply be destroyed by an ordinary person from the 4D world, this is how cosmology supremacy works.

To be beyond all hierarchies, you must be above the High 1-A level, otherwise, if your cosmology is High 1-B in your verse, then there are other hierarchies above you, so your superiority over all hierarchies is refuted.
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Being apophatic doesn’t automatically put a character above every other cosmology—it just means they are beyond the framework of their own verse. Tier 0 isn’t about being “above every fictional universe” or conquering higher layers; it’s about existential transcendence, not relative power.

The No Limits Fallacy doesn’t apply here, because Tier 0 isn’t assumed to have limitless feats. By definition, it exists outside all hierarchies and frameworks. It’s not a matter of comparing levels between 3D and 4D worlds—it’s about what it is, the absolute source or monad that defines what makes existence possible.

So even if a character originates from a High 1-B verse, if they are truly Tier 0, they aren’t being “placed above” anything. They are beyond the concept of placement itself, which is exactly what Tier 0 represents.
MasterIsander said:
Even you agree that it's bad, so why are you arguing with me?
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Tier 0 isn’t for vs matches. It doesn’t matter if the character’s verse is High 1-B or 1-A—Tier 0 exists for things beyond all hierarchies, things that can’t be summed up into a tier. It’s about what they are.
 
Super_Nova said:
It takes a single google search to know what the term apophaticism relates to.

(Hint: It’s not what you just said.)
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I said how apophatism works in proper powerscaling, no its philosophical definition. And if we take philosophical definition, apophatism is simply describes God through negations rather than affirmations (as is the case with cataphatic theology). It's just a way of describing God, and in philosophy it's not used the way you use it. I studied philosophy, I know what I'm talking about.
 
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