Detective Vs Stalker [L Lawliet Vs Joe Goldberg] (0-0-1)

[Maikolpry]

Rules:

1. Equal Speed
2. Both are equiped with a gun and a knife
3. SBA for everthing else

Joe Goldberg: 0 ()
L Lawliet: 0 ()
Incon: 1 (Doggo)

 

[Doggo]

Looking at their profiles, L is likely more skilled than Joe in martial arts, but L has his gun listed as standard equipment (ignoring the fact we only see him hold it for one arc), which makes this a somp in his favor unless you give Joe his optional equipment

 

[Maikolpry]

Looking at their profiles, L is likely more skilled than Joe in martial arts, but L has his gun listed as standard equipment (ignoring the fact we only see him hold it for one arc), which makes this a somp in his favor unless you give Joe his optional equipment

Changed

 

[Maikolpry]

Bump

 

[Doggo]

Both seem to be equal in gunplay, but Joe has the edge in close quarters due to his knife. But that's assuming L does not riddle him with bullets before that. I'm personally voting for incon

 

[Maikolpry]

Both seem to be equal in gunplay, but Joe has the edge in close quarters due to his knife. But that's assuming L does not riddle him with bullets before that. I'm personally voting for incon

I Change the style of the vs

 

[Doggo]

Sorry but the conditions are too unfair for L. He needs to shoot Joe in the legs and hope he does not receive a bullet in his head

 

[Maikolpry]

Sorry but the conditions are too unfair for L. He needs to shoot Joe in the legs and hope he does not receive a bullet in his head

Okay, it's back to how it was before.

 

[Maikolpry]

Bump

 

[Phonixek]

L stomps

 

[Doggo]

L stomps

In intelligience? Yes. But in a fight? Hell no

 

[Maikolpry]

Bump

 

[Phonixek]

In intelligience? Yes. But in a fight? Hell no

In a fight he does too

 

[Maikolpry]

Bump

 

[Vzearr]

L stomps, in martial arts, in intelligence, and everything else.

Considering he learned how to fly a plane/helicopter by intuition alone, it wouldn't be otherworldly to claim he'd be skilled with a gun he carries around.

 

[Doggo]

L stomps, in martial arts, in intelligence, and everything else.

Considering he learned how to fly a plane/helicopter by intuition alone, it wouldn't be otherworldly to claim he'd be skilled with a gun he carries around.

Intelligence is irrelevant here tho. Also, his profile already brought up the fact that he is good with a gun; the issue is, we never see him use i,t so he might as well be equal in gun skill

How is he better in martial arts? All we know is he knows capoeira; meanwhile, we can see Joe knows some grappling skills.

In a fight he does too

All you do is claim "he stomps" without trying to justify it. At least the other dude tried to explain his argument

 

[Vzearr]

Intelligence is irrelevant here tho.

No it's not, L's processing speed is so much more superior that he'd process what to do before Joe could react.

Also, his profile already brought up the fact that he is good with a gun; the issue is, we never see him use i,t so he might as well be equal in gun skill

Doesn't matter, if he's skilled with a gun it's better than Joe who's almost never used a gun.

How is he better in martial arts? All we know is he knows capoeira; meanwhile, we can see Joe knows some grappling skills.

L is literally trained, Joe isn't.

 

[Doggo]

No it's not, L's processing speed is so much more superior that he'd process what to do before Joe could react.

Doesn't matter, if he's skilled with a gun it's better than Joe who's almost never used a gun.

L is literally trained, Joe isn't.

Reaction is not equal to processing speed. Cool processing, bro. Can your body react in time?

Oh I completely miss the part where the profile only mentioned the boy, not a gun. L outguns them then.

Joe's fight scenes imply he knows a degree of martial arts so that does not matter

Anyway, since L has actual gun feats, he takes it ig.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

No it's not, L's processing speed is so much more superior that he'd process what to do before Joe could react.

Doesn't matter, if he's skilled with a gun it's better than Joe who's almost never used a gun.

L is literally trained, Joe isn't.

Okay doesn’t matter joe shows better fighting skills L martial art isn’t effective in real life applications it’s limited Joe has much better skills in grappling

 

[Vzearr]

Okay doesn’t matter joe shows better fighting skills L martial art isn’t effective in real life applications it’s limited Joe has much better skills in grappling

Dude Joe's grappling skills are literally basic human grappling..

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Dude Joe's grappling skills are literally basic human grappling..

There not btw he shows above average combat skills

 

[Vzearr]

There not btw he shows above average combat skills

Prove that.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Prove that.

Okay sure

JOE COMBAT SKILLS

ANALYZING JOES COMBAT/TECHNIQUES Made by: Jagger — JOE VS CARY FIGHT Fight scene here: (https://youtu.be/tu4wnkKtvQs?si=PYTvRNqpwd15EJkb) Cary is promoting Joe to hit him and starts antagonizing Joe to make him lash out in anger Joe then punches Cary and pushes him off the cliff.In this pict...

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[Vzearr]

I'll be totally for real, all of this is achievable by a normal humans with no training, without evidence he's practised martial arts, showing a grappling technique that normal people would result to is not going to prove he's a skilled martial artist, above that of a genius who took up learning a martial art.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

I'll be totally for real, all of this is achievable by a normal humans with no training, without evidence he's practised martial arts, showing a grappling technique that normal people would result to is not going to prove he's a skilled martial artist, above that of a genius who took up learning a martial art.

I Quite literally do marital arts and seen real fighting yeah no average people can’t do ts also doesn’t matter either way Joe has the ap speed and lifting gap so he alraysd slams

 

[Joe_goldberb]

I'll be totally for real, all of this is achievable by a normal humans with no training, without evidence he's practised martial arts, showing a grappling technique that normal people would result to is not going to prove he's a skilled martial artist, above that of a genius who took up learning a martial art.

Yeah it’s not btw don’t talk on a subject you have no knowledge in also Ls marital arts is complete rubbish it has no real application

 

[Vzearr]

I Quite literally do marital arts and seen real fighting yeah no average people can’t do ts also doesn’t matter either way Joe has the ap speed and lifting gap so he alraysd slams

Yes the appeal to anecdotal evidence. Anyways, same.

Yeah it’s not btw don’t talk on a subject you have no knowledge in also Ls marital arts is complete rubbish it has no real application

What.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Yes the appeal to anecdotal evidence. Anyways, same.

What.

I’m saying you have no knowlege on marital arts so don’t try to discuss it the martial art L does doesn’t work btw

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Also there’s sources I put for joes martial arts moves so your fallacy isnt even fully correct cause I put sources but alr

 

[Vzearr]

I’m saying you have no knowlege on marital arts so don’t try to discuss it the martial art L does doesn’t work btw

Cro, I do.

Also there’s sources I put for joes martial arts moves so your fallacy isnt even fully correct cause I put sources but alr

What mate, are you like, completely misunderstanding what argument from anecdotal evidence is.

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Yeah idc either way cause even if we don’t give Joe combat which he easily takes he just outscales 196kg+>featless 1800 joules>1.5kj subsonic>athletic peak human travel>athletic peak human endurance>athetlic endurance

 

[Lonkitt]

Okay sure

JOE COMBAT SKILLS

ANALYZING JOES COMBAT/TECHNIQUES Made by: Jagger — JOE VS CARY FIGHT Fight scene here: (https://youtu.be/tu4wnkKtvQs?si=PYTvRNqpwd15EJkb) Cary is promoting Joe to hit him and starts antagonizing Joe to make him lash out in anger Joe then punches Cary and pushes him off the cliff.In this pict...

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Imma keep it real with you chief, this ain't that crazy. This is stuff IRL people can easily achieve. He ain't moving like Daredevil

L slams this man easily in close-quarters combat

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Imma keep it real with you chief, this ain't that crazy. This is stuff IRL people can easily achieve. He ain't moving like Daredevil

L slams this man easily in close-quarters combat

Average People can’t do ts also Ls martial art is usless and doesn’t work in a actual fight nobody claimed he was daredevil but he just shows a better degree in grappling choking takedowns etc also justify why l slams when Joe has the ap lifting speed and etc gap

 

[Lonkitt]

Average People can’t do ts also Ls martial art is usless and doesn’t work in a actual fight nobody claimed he was daredevil but he just shows a better degree in grappling choking takedowns etc also justify why l slams when Joe has the ap lifting speed and etc gap

Just because average people can't do a martial art doesn't mean it's useless. That's like saying "yeah, Spider-Man's a bad fighter because no one IRL could do what he does", which is objectively wrong...also, L uses Capoeira...since when is that useless? L's a lot more agile and skilled than Joe, he just easily evades his attacks and beats his ass

This Joe glazing is insane

 

[Joe_goldberb]

Just because average people can't do a martial art doesn't mean it's useless. That's like saying "yeah, Spider-Man's a bad fighter because no one IRL could do what he does", which is objectively wrong...also, L uses Capoeira...since when is that useless? L's a lot more agile and skilled than Joe, he just easily evades his attacks and beats his ass

This Joe glazing is insane

Yeah so you just completely misread what I said also if you know marital arts which you don’t Cleary you would know that it doesn’t work also you just misread what I said I said average people don’t have the fighting skill Joe does do you lack reading comprehension Also Joe has legit ap speed and lifting gap he slams

Is Capoeira mostly a performative art?

I understand that Capoeira's was originated from slave people in Brazil, so it was disguised as a dance, and most moves could be done with shackled hands. Today's Capoeira still stays true to these

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[Joe_goldberb]

Just because average people can't do a martial art doesn't mean it's useless. That's like saying "yeah, Spider-Man's a bad fighter because no one IRL could do what he does", which is objectively wrong...also, L uses Capoeira...since when is that useless? L's a lot more agile and skilled than Joe, he just easily evades his attacks and beats his ass

This Joe glazing is insane

Never justified why L wins when Joe has the ap dura speed and lifting gap

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah so you just completely misread what I said also if you know marital arts which you don’t Cleary you would know that it doesn’t work also you just misread what I said I said average people don’t have the fighting skill Joe does do you lack reading comprehension Also Joe has legit ap speed and lifting gap he slams

Is Capoeira mostly a performative art?

I understand that Capoeira's was originated from slave people in Brazil, so it was disguised as a dance, and most moves could be done with shackled hands. Today's Capoeira still stays true to these

martialarts.stackexchange.com

if you know martial arts which you clearly don't

I'm not good at it or anything, but I have taken Taekwondo classes. You don't gotta talk all pretentious man

Also, linking two random QnA threads isn't doing you much favours. You're just sending two threads where some responses happen to support your arguments, but like, first off, linking a reddit thread isn't doing you any favours, and secondly, you're gonna have to do more than just say "nope, it's ineffective against Joe" simply because of an AP and LS advantage. Is Joe the type to exploit LS? Yes, but L is a much more agile combatant than anyone Joe's fought. Also, the AP gap isn't massive

Never justified why L wins when Joe has the ap dura speed and lifting gap

I don't think you're in any possession to ask if I lack reading comprehension when the OP states that speed is equalized. The speed advantage ain't here

I'm much more in favour of L just outmaneuvering Joe and knocking him on his ass

Again, you're gonna have to actually do more than link two random QnA threads. Why should we just look at those and assume they're applicable here? This is a very different discussion and you can't piggyback off of those threads to just push your argument

 

[Joe_goldberb]

I'm not good at it or anything, but I have taken Taekwondo classes. You don't gotta talk all pretentious man

Also, linking two random QnA threads isn't doing you much favours. You're just sending two threads where some responses happen to support your arguments, but like, first off, linking a reddit thread isn't doing you any favours, and secondly, you're gonna have to do more than just say "nope, it's ineffective against Joe" simply because of an AP and LS advantage. Is Joe the type to exploit LS? Yes, but L is a much more agile combatant than anyone Joe's fought. Also, the AP gap isn't massive



I don't think you're in any possession to ask if I lack reading comprehension when the OP states that speed is equalized. The speed advantage ain't here

I'm much more in favour of L just outmaneuvering Joe and knocking him on his ass

Again, you're gonna have to actually do more than link two random QnA threads. Why should we just look at those and assume they're applicable here? This is a very different discussion and you can't piggyback off of those threads to just push your argument

So your argument is your headcannon that L wins by kicking him when Joe again has the ap dura and lifting advantage even in endurance/stamina Joe is above he quite literally has the advantages and negs also I. Can say you lack reading skills cause you quite literally misinterpreted almost all my arguments and glazing L cause he did some martial art that lrigt doesn’t work in most fights also I never said it was infective against Joe cause of ap no cause the martial art he does isn’t that useful against most real fighting situations that’s why there’s no coaperia in mma or seen in street fights

 

[Lonkitt]

So your argument is your headcannon that L wins by kicking him when Joe again has the ap dura and lifting advantage even in endurance/stamina Joe is above he quite literally has the advantages and negs also I. Can say you lack reading skills cause you quite literally misinterpreted almost all my arguments and glazing L cause he did some martial art that lrigt doesn’t work in most fights also I never said it was infective against Joe cause of ap no cause the martial art he does isn’t that useful against most real fighting situations that’s why there’s no coaperia in mma or seen in street fights

Headcanon? I'm not sure you know what that word means

Also, you're acting like the AP/Durability difference is so steep that Joe won't take any damage if L hits him. L's attacks are gonna do damage man, if you truly think that Joe just no-sells them all, then this would be a stomp thread. If it's a stomp thread, then it can't continue. So what is it? Because you seem to think that Joe's just tanking it like nothing

Maybe if you took the time to stop insulting my reading skills, you could actually explain why you think L's martial arts won't be effective here instead of saying the same thing over and over again while insulting me. You don't see me taking shots are you grammar mistakes, that's irrelevant

I also don't know why we're using IRL street fights as a basis for judging this battle. You're making a lot of claims with not a lot of sources beyond random QnA threads online

Please stop insulting me and provide some actual evidence for your arguments because this is getting really annoying. If you're really insisting that L's martial arts won't be that effective, provide GENUINE evidence instead of simply saying it won't be effective

EDIT: Also, you DO know that L's got the higher AP/Durability rating (L is at 1.5 kilojoules, which is higher than Joe's 985.47 joules), as well as the higher LS rating on his profile, right? .... Joe doesn't have those edges in physicality that you claim he does...Look at the profiles and calcs again. If you wanna claim that's wrong, you're gonna have to make a revision, because telling me I'm wrong won't change what's on the profiles

 

[Lonkitt]

I'm personally voting for incon

Anyways, based on the set up of this fight, I'm gonna be voting incon

Neither have a definitive edge in gunplay, and in a life or death scenario, the two are more than smart enough to go for it (L straight up says he has the gun for protection and Joe's not gonna hesitate in using a gun in direct confrontation like this)

In close-quarters, L's a lot more agile and has better physicality via scaling to a higher AP value and having Athletic LS. While wielding a knife, Joe's got better range in melee combat. But it's VERY unlikely either of them will get within melee range in this battle with the presence of firearms

Incon is the most likely outcome IMO