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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 4 is Real

Yae stuff
Intelligence: Genius (Yae Tenzen is simply a genius, the most gifted shinobi in history.[3] Her talent for the shinobi lifestyle was obvious from her ability to extrapolate the next hundred or thousand steps[4] from the first step: just touching a shinobi tool let her wield it as if she had exclusively used it for a decade, and she mastered martial arts from experiencing them once so that they would never hit her again.[4] When her age was in the single digits, Yae had already mastered the Flow Method, and in less than a year she acquired ten-odd techniques that would each normally require several years to learn.[1] As Yae's natural talent is not limited to being a shinobi, she is a versatile person who can master most other things.[4] Yae takes a careful approach to fighting, preparing plans, trump cards, and traps as insurance for herself: in case a battle were to break out in the Barielle Mansion, Yae researched the building and cleared a large underground pit beneath the floorboards in advance, where her Steel Thread Technique would be in its element;[6] and when her battle with the Sword Demon began, she prepared an impromtu timed trap with her steel threads that would strangle her hostage regardless of how her fight went.[12] The most outstanding feat of Yae's career however is her mastery of the Steel Thread Technique, which hadn't been used in centuries[1] as only the most gifted of geniuses could grasp just the fundamentals, let alone master it[3]— Yae not only mastered the technique on all ten fingers, but with her ten toes[6] and her tongue as well.[4] Yae even refined this skill to develop a steel thread iaido, sharpening the technique to even greater heights[3])
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Aldebaran is a character who cannot be power-scaled, and warps power-scaling around him. Yae, who should be several steps above Elsa, gets her ultimate technique omegablitzed by just Elsa fighting seriously. Maybe Yae hasn't read volume 15.


Also, for arc 9 readers: What the hell should Al Shario be tiered at. Al seemed to strongly imply that Reinhard and Cecilus were comparable and that, unarmed, Reinhard would be unable to counter the falling star physically.

But then Clind, holding back, destroyed Al Shario without injury. And Clind can't pierce Alter's dragonscales which are still inferior to Volcanica's. So is the miasma nerf THAT serious for Reinhard? Does his karate-chop outperform Cecilus's Masayume slash? What the HELL do we index Al Shario, dragonClind, and Alter (post- accelerated development) at?!
 
MrTayman616 said:
I was referring to Beatrice there


It's not a region of space time with intense gravity or anything. There isn't even enough explanation for it.

Literally all we see is Beatrice twisting space, causing a black hole that she uses to shallow Reid and drag him away. By no means that is enough to get "Black Hole Creation" regardless if it's a real one or not.
Just Spatial Manipulation, and seemingly Gravity Manipulation based on the "shallow".
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Shallow?

Anyways agree with spatial manipulation removal from Olbart (guess he isn't killing gojo yet)

Disagree with removal of BHC from Beako based on the fact that it behaved like a black hole along with its literal name and Reid being clearly way higher in stats which would explain why that was like a breeze to him
Zabs reason about Reid expunging it before it does anything is also objectively true.


New chapter was insane btw
 
Zabazab said:
Aldebaran is a character who cannot be power-scaled, and warps power-scaling around him. Yae, who should be several steps above Elsa, gets her ultimate technique omegablitzed by just Elsa fighting seriously. Maybe Yae hasn't read volume 15.


Also, for arc 9 readers: What the hell should Al Shario be tiered at. Al seemed to strongly imply that Reinhard and Cecilus were comparable and that, unarmed, Reinhard would be unable to counter the falling star physically.

But then Clind, holding back, destroyed Al Shario without injury. And Clind can't pierce Alter's dragonscales which are still inferior to Volcanica's. So is the miasma nerf THAT serious for Reinhard? Does his karate-chop outperform Cecilus's Masayume slash? What the HELL do we index Al Shario, dragonClind, and Alter (post- accelerated development) at?!
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Cecilus without his swords is like tier 9C, he would die to some basic stuff if it wasnt for his speed. His AP also requires him having a sword. Literal kick fodder for a nerfed Reinhard
 
Zabazab said:
Aldebaran is a character who cannot be power-scaled, and warps power-scaling around him.
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True!
Zabazab said:
Also, for arc 9 readers
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I’d say high 6-A is a safe bet:
Weakest possible version of Alter already destroyed Garfiel with a sneeze, Wilhelm can cut through a full power breath from a stronger Alter but still can’t pierce his scales, Clind is relative to a “prime” Alter (albeit weaker)

Al Shario was stated to be the pinnacle of destruction… that would mean it’s higher in AP than Al Quintet/full power Alter breath attack

As for the Reinhard and Cecilus thing… I genuinely don’t know what Tappei was thinking, if Clind could destroy Al Shario, Reinhard should be capable of doing it as well (even if he is nerfed, the nerf can’t be that bad that he gets weaker than Clind lol, he was still strong enough to withstand a gravity spell that crushed Alter)
So either:
1. Al saying Al Shario>base Reinhard is an outlier (or just Al being stupid and underestimating how strong some characters actually are)
2. Clind destroy Al Shario on his own is an outlier

Don’t really have anything to say about Cecilus… he just cut Al Shario with his sword… that’s it: Cecilus>Al Shario>kid Cecilus, there’s nothing to really say about him, nothing changes for him
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Anyways agree with spatial manipulation removal from Olbart (guess he isn't killing gojo yet)
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Sadly😔
SatellaTheWoE said:
New chapter was insane btw
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It was, new ALD lore was Interessing as hell, I am really curious what that was all about. How exactly Chidna got all her limbs destroyed and din't die?
Zabazab said:
Aldebaran is a character who cannot be power-scaled, and warps power-scaling around him. Yae, who should be several steps above Elsa, gets her ultimate technique omegablitzed by just Elsa fighting seriously. Maybe Yae hasn't read volume 15.
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Don't Elsa win anyway, because of her broken regen? I feel like she could just receive all the damage of Yae to keep attacking. Well, unless Yae burn her alive.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Don't Elsa win anyway, because of her broken regen? I feel like she could just receive all the damage of Yae to keep attacking. Well, unless Yae burn her alive.
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Yae would just kill her until she dies, a Curse Dolls's regeneration can be overwhelmed if they die too many times in quick succession.
Someone who would not die even when killed; this was not her first encounter against such an individual. There were a great number of bizarre and astonishing people in this world, and she had even fought against someone who had not just two, but three hearts. All she had needed to do was crush all three hearts for that person to properly die. The important thing was to just keep killing them until they died. —Arc 9, Chapter 51, "Yae Tenzen"
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Zabazab said:
Yae would just kill her until she dies, a Curse Dolls's regeneration can be overwhelmed if they die too many times in quick succession.
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I don't doubt she can do with her Fire, but I feel like if Yae just use her wires, is probally a toin coss, between who Hard Diff who.

Or I probally just overestimating Elsa.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
I don't doubt she can do with her Fire, but I feel like if Yae just use her wires, is probally a toin coss, between who Hard Diff who.

Or I probally just overestimating Elsa.
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Most people honestly tend to underestimate Elsa. She's still really strong, she could fight Divine Generals.

But you really don't need fire to kill Elsa. If you kill her several times in a row, her regeneration will falter and you'll be able to kill her for good.
 
Zabazab said:
Most people honestly tend to underestimate Elsa. She's still really strong, she could fight Divine Generals.

But you really don't need fire to kill Elsa. If you kill her several times in a row, her regeneration will falter and you'll be able to kill her for good.
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I think she could only face Goz...

Balleroy is just sniping her from the air. Chisha uses Cecilus mask. She lost against Cecilus already. Arakiya fused with Muspel and just way above Elsa league. Madelyn can just bring Mez. Groovy excels in his method of killing opponents and he could overpower Elsa regeneration. Olbart verstaity is crazy. Moguro is superior to all the other divine generals in survivability and volume 33 even says

Even if that happened, as long as Moguro’s true body of the Crystal Palace was going strong, then neither would the Steelman, Moguro Hagane, be defeated, nor would the third bastion be overcome
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So she can't even beat him...maybe Kafma is who she has a shot against now.
 
Crimsonobu said:
I think she could only face Goz...
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She definitely can't face any of the original set, but if she could it would be Groovy. He evaluated himself as weaker than the other generals and relies on a lot of poisons and homing attacks and such that would be ineffective against Elsa. But based on what we've seen him do I think he just speed-blitzes lol.

Goz was doing just as well against Lamia as Garfiel, better after using howl. If you assume that means they were roughly equal at that point it opens up a whole scaling chain that suggests Goz should blitz Garfiel, Elsa, Wilhelm, etc at the time of arc 4. The real elephant in the room is that Kafma was considered weaker than all of the other divine generals, Goz and Groovy included. Elsa could fight him, but only because her abilities are a near perfect counter to his. Even then I think she would lose, but I could see it going either way.
 
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Elsa's main advantage would be her ability to counter/dodge any attacks she has seen atleast once, her regen makes it so that she could take one even if it kills her and then never be affected by that same thing again so she doesnt die in consecutive order

Yae i think wouldnt win because of this since even if she does get Elsa once, she would just AD and become extremely slick at dodging the steel threads. Now, she does have a lot of ways to kill but would she be able to do so before ELsa gets a clean slice in? Idk

maybe we should make a matchup of this
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
Disagree with removal of BHC from Beako based on the fact that it behaved like a black hole along with its literal name and Reid being clearly way higher in stats which would explain why that was like a breeze to him
Zabs reason about Reid expunging it before it does anything is also objectively true.
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...None of this are true (except the last one).

It neither acts like one nor actually called one.

It just shows spatial manipulation, not even via gravity manipulation or an existence of a singularity or anything remotely similar

The lack of proof is immense here. Just similarity isn't enough.
Antvasima said:
Hello.

What do you all think about this? 🙏

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Beatrice_(Re:Zero)
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Bump(sry for bumping 🙏)
 
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It just so peak....
 
Zabazab said:
Should Al's Domain grant him Type 4 Immortality?
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It's just Time Manipulation and Type 8 Immortality. (Subaru's should be like this too)
Characters that are immortal because, whenever they die, they will simply reincarnate within another body or resurrect themselves at a later point in time.
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Both of them, technically, doesn't fit this criteria. They don't reincarnate, It's not resurrection either as it's not the dead body resurrecting or anything.
 
MrTayman616 said:
It's just Time Manipulation and Type 8 Immortality. (Subaru's should be like this too)
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Type 8 must be granting one or more other types.
8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise.
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VortechsTG said:
I feel like there should be separate keys for Aldebaran before and after the creation of Alter.
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I feel the difference between Arc 8 and Arc 9 Al is purely mindset, though he does gain some equipment. I don't think the stats or abilities are different enough to warrant a split key.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Eh, I not sure on EG for Al.

While he is smart, that kinda comes down to him looping atleast innumerable numbers of time to reach a conclusion. So EG is a little... Too much? I agree with Genius maybe.
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Just gifted imo, with an included vast amount of knowledge.

All he has is the knowledge he aquired from Echidna within his training, but not really a very high logical capabilities, planning ability or anything that resembles EG.
 
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