JJK Speed CRT 2

[Lilybitdun]

Naobito does not scale to Hanami's durability at all. Hanami can tank numerous black flashes from Itadori plus direct hits from Todo using Playful Cloud. Both Itadori and Todo can damage Hanami with solid punches but it's not something enough to bother them. That's the same as saying that Itadori's normal punches can somehow scale to Black Flash

The scan you showed literally has her state they are both individually strong enough to hurt her, just not to the extent to a black flash

? The water shield was destroyed by Nanami, Maki and Naobito all attacking at same time, with the main problem being speed, and not power.

Literally what's on the profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naobito_Zenin
Plus would still make Naobito comparable to Overtime Nanami

If Naoya, who is young, was over 3 times slower than Naobito, who is old asf and uses nothing but projection sorcery, Naoya would never be called a genius, he would be considered a nobody. Hell, I don't even think he could be seen as the next head familiy

Naobito was never a moving goal for Naoya, it was Gojo and Toji

Saying Naoya has to comparable since he's young while Naobito is old is fallacious. Naoya is the one calling himself a genius, the statement means nothing as he's egotistical. He can still above the rest of Zenin clan without being comparable to Naobito.

His goal being Gojo and Toji just means Naoya is ambitious lol

 

[Arkenis]

Cursed Naoya's base durability is far below Hanami in terms of durability which Naobito scales above due to being stronger than Overtime Nanami (Naobito > Dagon's Water Shield > Overtime Nanami > Nanami = Yuji who could hurt Hanami)

This isn't accurate at all. The scans talking about the speed destroying Naoya, what you're scale chain at best is, is Yuji barely harming Hanami. You have to prove Naobito has durability equal to Hanami, not vaguely scale Naobito above people. Can you just drop this? The ct doesn't allow reaching such a speed and when at max speed, it only goes to supersonic. Unless Naobito somehow can surpass the physical restriction the ct has, you're filling the thread with nonsense irrelevant to the crt.

Naoya is the one calling himself a genius,

Wasn't gonna respond to this before, but come on, this is when he's a kid, he's only saying he's a genius due to the praise he gets from the clan, it's not merely him calling himself a genius for no reason.

 

[Mommyleona]

why are we talking about durability scaling in a speed crt again

 

[Bananossauro]

If Naobito is above the cap, wouldn't that cause some circular scaling if Naoya is scaling to Maki? Like Curse Naoya<Naobito<=Toji=Maki~Curse Naoya. Or Cursed Twink does not scale to Fully realized Maki?

 

[Buraqibear]

If Naobito is above the cap, wouldn't that cause some circular scaling if Naoya is scaling to Maki? Like Curse Naoya<Naobito<=Toji=Maki~Curse Naoya. Or Cursed Twink does not scale to Fully realized Maki?

I believe Lilybitdun is saying Naobito is faster than everyone else in the verse except Gojo and Sukuna, so no, Maki wouldn't scale

 

[Bananossauro]

But she needs to. The whole "the zenin clanonly exist due to Toji's whim" or something of the sorts makes that Toji is at least capable of fighting Naobito( I.e reactions/combat speed downscaling) and thus Maki scales to that. Someone else in this thread did bring up the fact that Toji and Gojo are the level that Naoya wants to get to and not Naobito.

 

[Buraqibear]

But she needs to. The whole "the zenin clanonly exist due to Toji's whim" or something of the sorts makes that Toji is at least capable of fighting Naobito( I.e reactions/combat speed downscaling) and thus Maki scales to that. Someone else in this thread did bring up the fact that Toji and Gojo are the level that Naoya wants to get to and not Naobito.

Because Toji can defeat Naobito without necessarily being faster

 

[Apotheosis69]

All this means is he's the second strongest Zenin clan member behind Naobito. It doesn't say he'll be the next Naobito, it says he'll be the next head of the family which doesn't require him to be Naobito level. Plus Naoya is the one calling himself a genius here so that part doesn't hold much value


Cursed Naoya's base durability is far below Hanami in terms of durability which Naobito scales above due to being stronger than Overtime Nanami (Naobito > Dagon's Water Shield > Overtime Nanami > Nanami = Yuji who could hurt Hanami)

We already know Naobito is far above Cursed Naoya's durability, so saying Cursed Naoya needing all those factors to survive and preform Mach 3 speeds doesn't prove Naobito has to be below Mach 3

Fairly certain Yuji only harmed Hanami with Black Flash

 

[Bananossauro]

Because Toji can defeat Naobito without necessarily being faster

A difference lesser than 3x gap is a blitz (naoya blitzing Maki). Toji can do what Maki did when Naobito was around. Toji needs to scale, or at least downscale, if not Naobito does to Toji what Naoya did to Maki he would not see naobito coming from a distance, imagine if it was from up close and a smaller target like Naobito.

 

[Arkenis]

deadass stated Toji can keep up with Mach 3

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Fairly certain Yuji only harmed Hanami with Black Flash

Yuji can harm Hanami without it tho

 

[Buraqibear]

Yuji can harm Hanami without it tho

Pretty sure you only scale if you can easily harm someone. Barely scratching isn't scaling

 

[Bananossauro]

deadass stated Toji can keep up with Mach 3

I know. the thing is, if Naobito is almost 3 times mach 3 and Toji is close to that level of speed. If curse Naoya is scaling not that far below Maki then he is also close-ish to Naobito and in turn the High hypersonic scaling of Naobito goes in the drain.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Bump

bro changed his profile after 68 years

 

[Godernet]

I agree with the changes to Piercing Blood, 3F Sukuna, and the Toji calc additions.

I'm more or less Neutral on the Jogo calc for now, but possibly Hypersonic+ with Disaster Flames is fine by me.

I could see 15F Sukuna getting a possibly Hypersonic+ rating as well if other staff are in agreement with the possibly rating for Jogo.

However, not because Sukuna dodges Jogo's attack from long range like in the OP.

But bc he beat Jogo in a quick-draw fire technique competition (granted, we didn't see the attacks being launched, which is why I'm agreeing with a possibly, but that scene made a pretty evident case of an intent to portray Sukuna as just better than Jogo in every way, even at Jogo's specialty)

Not to mention, 15F Sukuna shouldn't really be that far off from his 20F self or Gojo in speed, who are already Hypersonic (15F Sukuna intercepting Gojo from killing Kenjaku, and Gojo just deciding his best course of action was to withdraw his fight with Sukuna and killing Kenjaku for a later day, which I can't imagine he would have done if he felt Sukuna was massively inferior to him in any way.)

 

[Buraqibear]

Bump

Peak profile change, Is this bro's cgm training arc?

 

[Mommyleona]

Peak profile change

Nah. From GOAT (Puck) to fraud (Griffith)

 

[ElJoaki5]

fraud (Griffith)

Embodiment of aura (Bump)

 

[Buraqibear]

So we've got 2/3 mods agreeing for "Possibly hypersonic+" and fine for everything else for this

 

[Duedate8898]

Piercing Blood and High Tiers combat look good.

I'm also going with a possibly for the jogo attack speed, while Jogo is technically in a bubble where only Sukuna and Gojo outright scale to him fully Cursed Naoya brings into question such speed for his attacks. Also would be better to just calc Sukuna dodging some of these attacks (not stacking, get the speed of the beams in the scene) then trying to just say he and the rest scale above them in speed. So for now, I disagree with that as well.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

damn, looks like they'll be no Hypersonic+ scaling for Sukuna and Gojo

 

[Shey]

But bc he beat Jogo in a quick-draw fire technique competition (granted, we didn't see the attacks being launched, which is why I'm agreeing with a possibly, but that scene made a pretty evident case of an intent to portray Sukuna as just better than Jogo in every way, even at Jogo's specialty)

Isn't a quick draw based on reactions, even if Jogo's attack was MFTL it wouldn't matter if Sukuna hit him first

 

[Apotheosis69]

Isn't a quick draw based on reactions, even if Jogo's attack was MFTL it wouldn't matter if Sukuna hit him first

I mean Sukuna verbatim says that its a contest of firepower, so its about which one is stronger, not who can draw faster, it aint a Han Solo fires first…

 

[Shey]

I mean Sukuna verbatim says that its a contest of firepower, so its about which one is stronger, not who can draw faster, it aint a Han Solo fires first…

I'm aware
Just pointing that out

 

[ElJoaki5]

Piercing Blood and High Tiers combat look good.

I'm also going with a possibly for the jogo attack speed, while Jogo is technically in a bubble where only Sukuna and Gojo outright scale to him fully Cursed Naoya brings into question such speed for his attacks. Also would be better to just calc Sukuna dodging some of these attacks (not stacking, get the speed of the beams in the scene) then trying to just say he and the rest scale above them in speed. So for now, I disagree with that as well.

You forgot bout 3f Sukuna

 

[Buraqibear]

Wait so this is accepted now?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yes

 

[Mommyleona]

Wait so this is accepted now?

kinda

 

[Duedate8898]

Sorry completely missed it, 3f Sukuna looks good 7 too

 

[Buraqibear]

So we can do the changes now?

 

[Epyriel]

Piercing Blood speed
Piercing Blood is an attack that travels faster than sound but the exact speed varies. Here it's found to be supersonic and here to be supersonic+.
Piercing Blood's speed should be listed as "Supersonic to Supersonic+".

Agree: @Dalesean027 @Godernet

I disagree with this part.

The Supersonic+ calc is very dubious for two reasons. First it measures an inner cone instead of the outer cone which would give a lower result more consistent with other shots of PB, and secondly even in the measurement of the inner cone for some reason it performs a bunch of intermediary calculations to infer the angle instead of just straight up measuring it.

If you just overlay a protractor it gives you a Mach angle of 25 degrees instead of 22 degrees, which would give a speed value of Mach 2.37 instead of Mach 2.59 - putting it inside the threshold of Supersonic instead of Supersonic+.

 

[ElJoaki5]

If you just overlay a protractor it gives you a Mach angle of 25 degrees instead of 22 degrees, which would give a speed value of Mach 2.37 instead of Mach 2.59 - putting it inside the threshold of Supersonic instead of Supersonic+.

Ive checked it and got 24º so yeah its slightly inaccurate and actually falls short of mach 2.5