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JJK Speed CRT 2

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Apotheosis69 said:
Does that mean EoS Yuji and Yuta scale to the God Tier speeds with them full on going against that same fully weakened Sukuna, and Not getting blitzed? Genuinely curious
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No. They scale to Toji here
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Does that mean EoS Yuji and Yuta scale to the God Tier speeds with them full on going against that same fully weakened Sukuna, and Not getting blitzed? Genuinely curious
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No. Just simple upscaling for the god tiers. You can reread like just after Yuji and Yuta fight him and Sukuna starts trying due to Maki and regaining his ce. But most of all, Uraume tells us his ce fluctuates throughout the fight. There's also the constant soul punches dropping his ce even then Sukuna does fine reacting to three different people.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Does that mean EoS Yuji and Yuta scale to the God Tier speeds with them full on going against that same fully weakened Sukuna, and Not getting blitzed? Genuinely curious
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that man was self-nerfing on top of the nerfs. Maki (A woman on the same tier of speed as Yuta and Yuji[pre awakened]) got blitzed by an even weaker Sukuna.
Sukuna's in a whole different dimension than the cast in terms of speed, he's just an idiot /s
 
no way we're trying to bring back 3F Sukuna high tier speed scaling
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
There's no outlier? Have you at least read the arguments and scans?
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I did and I think they're right.
I just don't like it narratively that 8-B 3F Sukuna can keep up with or is possibly faster than 7-C special grade sorcerers like Yuta and Kenjaku, beings comparable to people who can survive 15F Sukuna causal slashes with Sukuna saying cleave is needed to deal with them 🥀
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I did and I think they're right.
I just don't like it narratively that 8-B 3F Sukuna can keep up with or is possibly faster than 7-C special grade sorcerers like Yuta and Kenjaku, beings comparable to people who can survive 15F Sukuna causal slashes with Sukuna saying cleave is needed to deal with them 🥀
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3f isn't 8b. You've just been too accustomed to seeing bad tiers on page lmao. How do we even make sense of the statements being said? Gojo fought Jogo and said he's probably stronger than 1f Sukuna, Sukuna thinks Mahoraga could probably beat 3f, Megumi compares Toji's speed to 3f Sukuna. It's not subtle, Sukuna is that strong. Maybe he can't one shot through cleave but he's fast as most of the top10 are. Also you're kinda forgetting Sukuna's output is bad post Gojo fight, he's not trying his best and wants to draw out the fight.
 
Uraume has it. I just didn't think the pages would stay outdated for this long. I'll add them later if no one does.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Piercing Blood speed
Piercing Blood is an attack that travels faster than sound but the exact speed varies. Here it's found to be supersonic and here to be supersonic+.
Piercing Blood's speed should be listed as "Supersonic to Supersonic+".

3f Sukuna speed
This calc gets 3f Sukuna to Subsonic+ so he should be upgraded to Subsonic+.

High Tiers combat speed
This calc finds Toji to be Supersonic+ in combat speed. Therefore, Toji and relative (Characters with Supersonic combat speed as of now) should have Supersonic+ combat speed.
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agree with this


ElJoaki5 said:
15f Sukuna and God Tiers upgrade
15 f Sukuna dodged all the beams Jogo fired at him (0:11), same beams which where calculated to be Hypersonic+. He also promised to side with Jogo if he managed to land a single hit on him, but Jogo was unable to do it. He also dodged beams from close up (1:26) and Jogo states theres a massive gap in their strength.
So 15 f Sukuna easily scales to Hypersonic+, 20 f Sukuna does too due to scaling above 15 f. Everyone relative as per the pages also scales (Gojo, Mahoraga, Miguel, Yorozu)
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neutral with this
 
I'm wondering. How does Miguel scale?

Yorozu should only scale to Hypersonic with Insect armor
 
Apotheosis69 said:
I'm wondering. How does Miguel scale?

Yorozu should only scale to Hypersonic with Insect armor
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Doubtful if he even does scale. Miguel's ct buffs and debuffs himself and the opponent, so his short fight with Sukuna isn't very indicative of scaling.
 
Arkenis said:
Doubtful if he even does scale. Miguel's ct buffs and debuffs himself and the opponent, so his short fight with Sukuna isn't very indicative of scaling.
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Yeah thats what I have thought.

And most certainly he used his CT in JJK0. Yet he was still gettin smacked around…
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
3F Sukuna and Toji should not be far apart in speed. Megumi notes that Toji is MAYBE faster than a casual 3F Sukuna, so it would be impossible for them to be that far apart from each other. It's almost a 4x diff in speed. It's as if I watched a car run at 160Km/h and say that it's maybe faster than a human running at 40km/h, it just does not work.

Not only that, but Sukuna plays around way too much, so we can't even say if he was going full speed with Megumi at first. Like, Sukuna has his own mechanic where his cursed energy waves when he is bored. Just see his fight against Maki, it took him a whole beat down to start to use his real speed and speedblitz her

This got some problems. It's implied that Naobito, who is below the mach 3 cap, could have dodged Jogo's lasers if he was at his peak. However, I can see an argument that Naobito could aim dodge it, since we see that Jogo's vulcans needs to charge before attacking, so technically Naobito would have reacted better and dodged it. But that's WAY TOO much of a mental gymnastic and too vague, at best I can see it being accepted as a "Possible Hypersonic+" based on the feats that happened against Sukuna, but otherwise nah.

I disagree with this notion. Not only Sukuna is far faster than Jogo by the simple fact that he literally TELEPORTS in the fight via sheer speed, something that none of the lasers from Jogo could do, but it's just dumb to assume that the lasers are that faster than Sukuna. Even a speed difference of barely 3 times (Maki and Cursed Naoya) is enough to **** you a lot in JJK, or the Piercing Blood with Itadori and so on. If it was that much faster, Sukuna wouldn't act so casual around Jogo

Not only that, but we have numerous scenes of Sukuna intercepting Jogo's lasers with dismantles.

To be all fair, Jogo is extremly strong and good enough to make even Kenjaku get interested in him due to his raw power, who is hypersonic and 7-C. Jogo's cursed technique is several times shown to be far above his body per say. To go more deep into it

Jogo is stated to be fragile and have a weak body but is stronger and faster due to his elemental type, while as well being stated numerous times to be far stronger than 3F Sukuna (1, 2, 3), who does have a speed around Toji's, who scales to Supersonic-Supersonic+ values, all this while Jogo is probably slower than Naobito.
So I guess it's fair to assume that Jogo's cursed technque speed and raw power > his body in general

I can see it as a "possible Hypersonic+" but otherwise nah
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I've been busy so I haven't been able to comment here but I can agree to this
 
Dalesean027 said:
I've been busy so I haven't been able to comment here but I can agree to this
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So Possibly Hypersonic+ attack speed for Jogo but still disagree with Sukuna scaling to it right?
You still havent said anything on toji, 3f Sukuna and Piercing blood revisions.

Btw 3f Sukuna not scaling to Toji isnt something this CRT is suggesting, this is already how it is from before so it shouldnt be a reason to not apply the 3f Sukuna and Toji upgrades.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
You still havent said anything on toji, 3f Sukuna and Piercing blood revisions.
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I mean its just a calc thing so not much to say really? like its fine sure just having it vary up to Supersonic+
ElJoaki5 said:
So Possibly Hypersonic+ attack speed for Jogo but still disagree with Sukuna scaling to it right?
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yeah that's about the most I can say there
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
It's implied that Naobito, who is below the mach 3 cap
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There isn't anything that puts Naobito below or above the Mach 3 cap, this is just saying he's below off vibe scaling. If he has feats above Mach 3, it isn't contradicted
 
Lilybitdun said:
There isn't anything that puts Naobito below or above the Mach 3 cap, this is just saying he's below off vibe scaling. If he has feats above Mach 3, it isn't contradicted
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We need to understand better the cap. It's stated that Naoya is a genius and would soon enough end up as the next Naobito, which means

1- His projection sorcery is very good
2- It doesn't make sense for him to be massively under Naobito physically

Later on, Cursed Naoya shows up, where for him to reach mach 3 he needs tons of steps

1- He needs to freeze the air in front of him for it not make him slower as stated by Maki
2- He needs to pull his memebers inside to increase aerodynamics
3- He needs to eject pressurized air and cursed energy and draw in air through inlets to increase speed
4- He needs a lot of build up for it, running in circles numerous times

It doesn't make sense for Naobito to be above Cursed Naoya in any shape of form, This would mean that he is so much above a young Naoya that even a post-death amp couldn't make him reach any where close to something that he can peform with ease even at old age
Dalesean027 said:
yeah that's about the most I can say there
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Tbf, i explained that if we accept hypersonic+ for Jogo's attacks, Sukuna would need to be "possibly Hypersonic" too
 
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
We need to understand better the cap. It's stated that Naoya is a genius and would soon enough end up as the next Naobito, which means

1- His projection sorcery is very good
2- It doesn't make sense for him to be massively under Naobito physically
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All this means is he's the second strongest Zenin clan member behind Naobito. It doesn't say he'll be the next Naobito, it says he'll be the next head of the family which doesn't require him to be Naobito level. Plus Naoya is the one calling himself a genius here so that part doesn't hold much value

LIFE_OF_KING said:
Later on, Cursed Naoya shows up, where for him to reach mach 3 he needs tons of steps

1- He needs to freeze the air in front of him for it not make him slower as stated by Maki
2- He needs to pull his memebers inside to increase aerodynamics
3- He needs to eject pressurized air and cursed energy and draw in air through inlets to increase speed
4- He needs a lot of build up for it, running in circles numerous times
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Cursed Naoya's base durability is far below Hanami in terms of durability which Naobito scales above due to being stronger than Overtime Nanami (Naobito > Dagon's Water Shield > Overtime Nanami > Nanami = Yuji who could hurt Hanami)
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We already know Naobito is far above Cursed Naoya's durability, so saying Cursed Naoya needing all those factors to survive and preform Mach 3 speeds doesn't prove Naobito has to be below Mach 3
 
Lilybitdun said:
Cursed Naoya's base durability is far below Hanami in terms of durability which Naobito scales above due to being stronger than Overtime Nanami (Naobito > Dagon's Water Shield > Overtime Nanami > Nanami = Yuji who could hurt Hanami)
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Naobito does not scale to Hanami's durability at all. Hanami can tank numerous black flashes from Itadori plus direct hits from Todo using Playful Cloud. Both Itadori and Todo can damage Hanami with solid punches but it's not something enough to bother them. That's the same as saying that Itadori's normal punches can somehow scale to Black Flash
Naobito > Dagon's Water Shield
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? The water shield was destroyed by Nanami, Maki and Naobito all attacking at same time, with the main problem being speed, and not power.
Lilybitdun said:
All this means is he's the second strongest Zenin clan member behind Naobito. It doesn't say he'll be the next Naobito, it says he'll be the next head of the family which doesn't require him to be Naobito level.
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If Naoya, who is young, was over 3 times slower than Naobito, who is old asf and uses nothing but projection sorcery, Naoya would never be called a genius, he would be considered a nobody. Hell, I don't even think he could be seen as the next head familiy

Naobito was never a moving goal for Naoya, it was Gojo and Toji
 
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