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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Question: How much weaker would Grievous' organs be compared to his cybernetic body? I ask because I want to see if that can be used as a potential wincon by a character he should otherwise AP stomp if they hit them. I'm only confused by this because technically his organs received several shots from his blaster, the Grievance Striker, and it wasn't even the impact of the blasts that kill him it was the fact that his organs were set on fire because of the fluids on them were flammable.
 
Question: How much weaker would Grievous' organs be compared to his cybernetic body? I ask because I want to see if that can be used as a potential wincon by a character he should otherwise AP stomp if they hit them. I'm only confused by this because technically his organs received several shots from his blaster, the Grievance Striker, and it wasn't even the impact of the blasts that kill him it was the fact that his organs were set on fire because of the fluids on them were flammable.
Naturally, given their condition, they should be vulnerable, but perhaps not as much as it seems, since if they were so weak, Griveous would have died a long time ago with the slightest push of the Force.
 
Naturally, given their condition, they should be vulnerable, but perhaps not as much as it seems, since if they were so weak, Griveous would have died a long time ago with the slightest push of the Force.
That's what I was thinking. They're definitely not  as durable as his cyborg body, but they're quite tanky all the same all things considered.
 
That's what I was thinking. They're definitely not  as durable as his cyborg body, but they're quite tanky all the same all things considered.
While I doubt they scale to exactly 8-A, it wouldn't make much sense for him to have it in his organic body, but perhaps something like 9-A or something higher than an average Jedi. It would only scale to 8-A because its robotic body absorbs much of the damage and it will likely adapt to that.
 
While I doubt they scale to exactly 8-A, it wouldn't make much sense for him to have it in his organic body, but perhaps something like 9-A or something higher than an average Jedi. It would only scale to 8-A because its robotic body absorbs much of the damage and it will likely adapt to that.
They still took repeated blasts from his own blaster without instantly being vaporized, only dying because they caught on fire.
 
Blasters can vaporize iron/steel. So maybe it has some resistance. (Episode 4. Read about destroying the grates)
 
...Normal fire burned his insides up. Thermal resistance my ass.
Forget what I said
Blasters still have force behind their shots, it's not all heat damage.
It's strange that Grievous's resistance directly corresponds to what kills him, but if you really want to measure his durability, although at the same time it's strange that he hasn't died before so I don't know. Perhaps it's possible to say it's 9-A.
 
We are going to account for the multiplier statement for Yoda from the Galaxy of Adventures guides, right?:

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A glimpse into what it's like to be one with the Force/Force Spirit.
No place is barren of the Force, and they who are one with the Force can always find the possibility of life.

Awareness precedes consciousness. The warmth is luxuriated in and drawn upon before the mind is cognizant of doing so. Next comes the illusion of linear time. Only then does a sense of individuality arise, a remembrance of what was and what is, a knowledge of one’s self as separate from the Force. It provides a vantage point for experiencing the physical world in its complexity and ecstasy, but the pain of that separation is endurable only because unity will come again, and soon.

That fracture from the all, that memory of temporal existence, is most easily summed up with the word the fracture was once called by. The name.

“Qui-Gon.”

The name is spoken by another. Qui-Gon has been summoned. He draws upon his memories of himself and takes shape, reassembling the form he last had in life. It seems to him that he feels flesh wrap around bones, hair and skin over flesh, robes over skin—and then, as naturally to him as though he had done so yesterday, he pulls down the hood of his Jedi cloak and looks upon his Padawan.

“Obi-Wan.” It is worth the travail of individual existence just to say that name again. So he says the other name, too. “Ben.”

Obi-Wan Kenobi’s hair has turned white. Lines have etched their traces along his forehead, around his blue eyes. He wears Jedi robes so worn and ragged as to be indistinguishable from the garb of the impoverished hermit he pretends to be. Most would walk past this man without a second glance. Yet while Qui-Gon perceives the physical realities of Obi-Wan’s appearance, he is not limited to human sight any longer. He also sees the confident general of the Clone Wars, the strong young Padawan who followed his master into battle, even the rebellious little boy at the Temple that no Master was in any hurry to train. They are all equally part of Obi-Wan, each stage of his existence vivid in this moment.

- https://www.starwars.com/news/qui-gon-jinn-from-a-certain-point-of-view-excerpt
 
So everyone else will now be high 7C?
Nah
Cuz it's very hard to scale to his feat and he is stated by multiple guys to be above them, with the only one legit going on the same level being Sidious, and that was after getting buffed after defeating Windu
People may scale to Low 7-C due to some keys scaling to the Vader feat on that level. Will talk about it in the thread that will be reforming Yoda
 
Nah
Cuz it's very hard to scale to his feat and he is stated by multiple guys to be above them, with the only one legit going on the same level being Sidious, and that was after getting buffed after defeating Windu
People may scale to Low 7-C due to some keys scaling to the Vader feat on that level. Will talk about it in the thread that will be reforming Yoda
Low 7-C would probably be a small number.

But since you want to talk about High 7-C, wasn't that feat accomplished before Episode 1 in chronological order?
 
Low 7-C would probably be a small number.

But since you want to talk about High 7-C, wasn't that feat accomplished before Episode 1 in chronological order?
Yeah
And that doesn't mean much because we have statements from the episode 2-to-3-ish that put him above many, still

Basically anyone >=Sidious would be H 7-C with the Force, i believe
 
Tell me: RotS Sidious = P-Rebels Vader, or something around it?
The key now is called "Rebels and onward," and honestly, personally, I think this Vader has already surpassed this Sidious (from RotS).

Yeah
And that doesn't mean much because we have statements from the episode 2-to-3-ish that put him above many, still

Basically anyone >=Sidious would be H 7-C with the Force, i believe
Yeah, but I think at least guys like Grievous and Dooku can downscale? They fought for quite a while.

Unless there's more context.

Some of Vader's fights against weaker opponents last longer for various reasons. Either because of the script (Kanan and Erza) or because Vader toys with weaker opponents, unnecessarily prolonging the fight (I remember a comic where Sidious gets kind of angry with Vader for toying with fodder). So the fight doesn't drag on because the guys are making Vader sweat, but because he was prolonging the fight.

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But as far as I remember, there's a WOG statement saying that during Clone Wars, Yoda would defeat everyone, and that's why it was complicated to have him fight in episodes (But Yoda still had a brief lightsaber duel with Grievous). So at most, only a few more would be affected.
 
So, who wants to have some fun with the 8-As
 
The key now is called "Rebels and onward," and honestly, personally, I think this Vader has already surpassed this Sidious (from RotS).
Then everyone Rebels' Vader and above should be H7-C

But as far as I remember, there's a WOG statement saying that during Clone Wars, Yoda would defeat everyone, and that's why it was complicated to have him fight in episodes (But Yoda still had a brief lightsaber duel with Grievous). So at most, only a few more would be affected.
Yep

Will be talking about it when i get the CRT draft done, there are still more than 20 books and comics so that should take a while, but if you could compile who you think should get an "At Most H7-C" and "H7-C" very quickly without much time investiment, if you want, it'd help me a lot
 
So, who wants to have some fun with the 8-As
I'll play Darksiders after Skywalker Saga.

I don't know. Maybe Boba Fett?

Then everyone Rebels' Vader and above should be H7-C
Nah. From Rebels, at most Ahsoka. It's stated by WOG that at that time only Vader and the Emperor could truly face her.

And even with some statements of her doing well and matching Vader, she had to retreat fearing for her life at one point in the fight and would have died in the end without Erza's intervention.
 
I don't know, I just thought it would be thematic. Besides the armor's resistance.

But since I found out there are two 8-A scales, I don't know anymore who scales to what.
It would probably be thematic, but I don't think anyone who's ranged should be fighting a guy with blitz dodges. And Vader has force choke so he doesn't work either lol
 
It would probably be thematic, but I don't think anyone who's ranged should be fighting a guy with blitz dodges. And Vader has force choke so he doesn't work either lol
What about Cal? His time slow would help him keep up and he also has a gun.
 
It would probably be thematic, but I don't think anyone who's ranged should be fighting a guy with blitz dodges. And Vader has force choke so he doesn't work either lol
Furthermore, I think pitting a gunslinger against Vader isn't exactly a good idea.
 
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