Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[The_Tetromino_King]

Duhh?? Because they both abyssal power but FK has better quality because it can harm PO so bad. While an ordinary abyssal being like Gosoythoth, not even need full power Ronova to beat that thing

"Because i said so" Ahh

Notice, how nothing states he became the embodiment of abyssal power oh no he is consumed by the abyss therefore is an embodiment! The mural just protrays he is corrupted because the abyssal energy consumes him.

If not everyone who comes into contact with the abyss, then how did he manage to get the Forbidden Knowledge from the Very Bottom of the Abyss? Thats just a bullshit and Skirk's know nothing about Nibelung lol.

But she knows about the nature of the abyss, more so than any character. The fact she is taught by the Foul, should give her more credential to speak about the abyss. You can't be corrupted and amped at the sametime, Skirk explained this very clearly.

"both isn't a possibility therefore he couldn't even harness the power of the abyss or wield the abyss"
So wtf is Forbidden Knowledge buddy?

He didn't harness its power in the same manner the sinners does, he got corrupted. You can't be corrupted and adapting the abyssal power at the same time.

Thats not even implied to him, wtf? You just saying shi

It is, he is the only character that caused world wide destruction with the abyss.

 

[MSahla]

Notice, how nothing states he became the embodiment of abyssal power oh no he is consumed by the abyss therefore is an embodiment! The mural just protrays he is corrupted because the abyssal energy consumes him.

"Completely sunk into the terrifying shadow"/Abyss

Either you blind or just can't read

But she knows about the nature of the abyss, more so than any character. The fact she is taught by the Foul, should give her more credential to speak about the abyss. You can't be corrupted and amped at the sametime, Skirk explained this very clearly.

what she said is just basically.

If you're not strong enough, you'll die.
If you're strong enough, you'll get more powerful.

Simple as that, you misinterpret that completely lmao

It is, he is the only character that caused world wide destruction with the abyss.

Notice hows thats just a headcanon

 

[MSahla]

Bro might trying to convince me that Skirk > Nibelung because skirk can utilize abyssal power lmao.

 

[Furina003]

When was this ever stated

they existed before those concepts existed, even fate, laws and cycles are their creations

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

"Completely sunk into the terrifying shadow"/Abyss

Doesn't mean becoming the abyss lmao. Funny how you want to apply everything to nibelung. Might as well use an out of context quote to make him the creator the universe.

what she said is just basically.

If you're not strong enough, you'll die.

Skirk wasn't strong when she came into contact with the abyss.

If you're strong enough, you'll get more powerful.

Simple as that, you misinterpret that completely lmao

The fact, Skirk wasn't even strong enough when she came into contact with the abyss hello?

By this logic Skirk> Nibelung since she didn't get corrupted unlike Nibelung.

 

[Furina003]

I think the abyss is not entropy but absolute emptiness, as Skirk said, it is absolute darkness, the abyss is emptiness that brings disaster/entropy/destruction, why is it like that? Rukhadevatta once explained that the abyss was impending disaster because the world rejected the abyss itself

 

[OmniScalator]

Notice, how nothing states he became the embodiment of abyssal power oh no he is consumed by the abyss therefore is an embodiment! The mural just protrays he is corrupted because the abyssal energy consumes him.

According to albedo, beings who are consumed by abyss are manifestation of abyss's power

Albedo: You could think of this as Rerir in mutated form — but in my view, even that would be inaccurate. In reality, his whole being has been consumed by the Abyss. In other words, he is now nothing more than a manifestation of Abyssal power.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

they existed before those concepts existed, even fate, laws and cycles are their creations

They didn't, except for Istaroth mabye. The fact you could switch sides already shows they arent non dual.

They only created these concepts in teyvat

 

[Furina003]

They didn't, except for Istaroth mabye. The fact you could switch sides already shows they arent non dual.

They only created these concepts in teyvat

They existed simultaneously, before the emergence of the shades, concepts such as spacetime, life, and death did not exist. Therefore, the primordial one created four shades from its own shadow, each of which is a fundamental concept.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

According to albedo, beings who are consumed by abyss are manifestation of abyss's power

this only applies to the sinners, not ''beings''. it is a narrative fact that the sinners applied the abyssal power different than any other character.

This guy was also consumed by the abyss, is he the embodiment of the abyssal power now?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

They existed simultaneously, before the emergence of the shades, concepts such as spacetime, life, and death did not exist. Therefore, the primordial one created four shades from its own shadow, each of which is a fundamental concept.

only in teyvat.

 

[MSahla]

Doesn't mean becoming the abyss lmao. Funny how you want to apply everything to nibelung. Might as well use an out of context quote to make him the creator the universe.

?
"terrifying shadow" Is just a fancy words to say the Abyss lmao, as if thats your first time hearing that lmao

Skirk wasn't strong when she came into contact with the abyss.

The fact, Skirk wasn't even strong enough when she came into contact with the abyss hello?

Yeah, because he race is lived with the abyss and adapted to them.

By this logic Skirk> Nibelung since she didn't get corrupted unlike Nibelung.

WE all know thats just completely false.

 

[OmniScalator]

this only applies to the sinners, not ''beings''. it is a narrative fact that the sinners applied the abyssal power different than any other character.

This guy was also consumed by the abyss, is he the embodiment of the abyssal power now?

That guy isn't consumed by abyss power, just corrupted

 

[MSahla]

This guy was also consumed by the abyss, is he the embodiment of the abyssal power now?

That guy got corrupted only to his mind, not his entire life nor even his existence lol, same goes to Kongamato

 

[MSahla]

And mind you, even after Nibelung got corrupted and his life is completely consumed by the Abyss, he's still know what he's doing. Like when he comeback, he called the Pyro Dragon and woke him up from his false death.

 

[Furina003]

only in teyvat.

spacetime is not only in teyvat, the 3 moon goddesses are outside teyvat and it is explained that at that time there was no boundary between life and death which means there was no life or death or not dead and not alive at the same time, so it was not only in teyvat. but before teyvat existed

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

spacetime is not only in teyvat, the 3 moon goddesses are outside teyvat and it is explained that at that time there was no boundary between life and death which means there was no life or death or not dead and not alive at the same time, so it was not only in teyvat. but before teyvat existed

Contextually, it is clearly about Teyvat.

1. The fact that it said "the Primordial one ruled this planet"
2. The fact that will power existed freely among countless beings.

Finale of the deep btw regarding Nibelung.

This will, bound though it was to its planetary crust, shone more brilliantly than all the civilizations the voyager had ever seen.

 

[Furina003]

I believe that the authority of the Heavenly Principles not only applies in Teyvat, the laws created by the Heavenly Principles are universal laws. The fate of Musica Mundana is the destiny that governs everything in the universe, and Phanes is the master of musica mundana. The collapse of Musica Mundana would bring destruction to the entire universe. Istaroth is also referred to as the “Mother of 14 billion years,” which means her authority extends across the universe itself.

 

[Furina003]

Contextually, it is clearly about Teyvat.

1. The fact that it said "the Primordial one ruled this planet"
2. The fact that will power existed freely among countless beings.

Finale of the deep btw regarding Nibelung.

This will, bound though it was to its planetary crust, shone more brilliantly than all the civilizations the voyager had ever seen.

I have never read anything that implies the authority of the Shades or Phanes is limited only to Teyvat, whereas several texts actually suggest that their authority is universal in nature.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

I have never read anything that implies the authority of the Shades or Phanes is limited only to Teyvat, whereas several texts actually suggest that their authority is universal in nature.

Universal doesn't mean universe outside the context of powerscaling lol.

The fact they are emphasizing Teyvat laws repeatedly. It have laws differently than that on M.W or the Universe.

 

[Furina003]

Universal doesn't mean universe outside the context of powerscaling lol.

The fact they are emphasizing Teyvat laws repeatedly. It have laws differently than that on M.W or the Universe.

there is nothing that implies it only applies in teyvat, even skirks that come from outside teyvat are still tied to fate, that's why she can't be said to be a descender.
I also seem to see some additional and rather interesting evidence, such as the false sky yet infinity, the world tree upon which the universe stands, and Irminsul that contains the secret of the cosmos.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

there is nothing that implies it only applies in teyvat, even skirks that come from outside teyvat are still tied to fate, that's why she can't be said to be a descender.

That is not the reason, why she isn't a descender. It fact it is hinted she will become one in the future. An outsider can become a descender, that's what the whole Perinheri book is about. And btw can you prove that the concept of fate is solely created by Celestia?

And btw, Skirk is not a descender because she simply chose to. She explicitly stated she doesn't want to interact with teyvat.

I also seem to see some additional and rather interesting evidence, such as the false sky yet infinity,

means nothing within the context, if h.p laws truly extends outside of teyvat.

the world tree upon which the universe stands, and Irminsul that contains the secret of the cosmos.

And how does this exactly translate to the laws of H.P being everywhere in the universe?

 

[OmniScalator]

An outsider can become a descender, that's what the whole Perinheri book is about.

If Ajax and Nibelung are descender and our sibling isn't, it means that being outsider or insider have nothing to do with being descender

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

If Ajax and Nibelung are descender and our sibling isn't, it means that being outsider or insider have nothing to do with being descender

Hence one can become a descender, which is my whole point? like yall think one is just automatically born as a descender

 

[Furina003]

That is not the reason, why she isn't a descender. It fact it is hinted she will become one in the future. An outsider can become a descender, that's what the whole Perinheri book is about. And btw can you prove that the concept of fate is solely created by Celestia?

No, Surtalogi explained that Descenders are those who can defy fate, and Skirk is not one of them, meaning she is still bound by destiny, as foretold by Verdfolnir. If Surtalogi is destined to bring his disciple to Teyvat, it implies that Skirk’s arrival in Teyvat is also part of fate. It is also explained here that Skirk remains bound by destiny, that also explained in here if skirk still bound on fate..

And btw, Skirk is not a descender because she simply chose to. She explicitly stated she doesn't want to interact with teyvat.

The reason Skirk came to Teyvat was merely to uncover the source of Surtalogia power and to follow the path Surtalogi once walked. Skirk never deliberately restrained herself from becoming a Descender. she simply isn’t yet capable of becoming one, because a Descender must possess the willpower strong enough to alter, create, and destroy worlds

means nothing within the context, if h.p laws truly extends outside of teyvat.

And how does this exactly translate to the laws of H.P being everywhere in the universe?

That law is a universal one, and fate governs everything in the universe. So how could we assume it only applies to Teyvat? Istaroth is described as the “mother of 14 billion years,” which represents the universe itself, and Irminsul contains information about the cosmos. I think there’s already enough evidence supporting this idea. For now, I’m quite certain that Phanes and the Shades possess authority that extends beyond Teyvat, Unless there’s evidence that proves otherwise.

 

[Furina003]

If Ajax and Nibelung are descender and our sibling isn't, it means that being outsider or insider have nothing to do with being descender

not everyone who comes from outside can become descenders, it is explained here

 

[Furina003]

That’s why Skirk didn’t become a Descender, Perinheri didn’t become a Descender, and the Traveler’s sibling didn’t become one either even though they all come from beyond Teyvat. It’s because being a Descender isn’t just about coming from another world, one must also be a rival to the entire world itself, free from the constraints of fate, and strong enough to alter, destroy, and create worlds.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

No, Surtalogi explained that Descenders are those who can defy fate, and Skirk is not one of them,

and yet he said he will become one by saying: But you are not yet worthy of that name

"Yet" implies there is an indication of her becoming a Descender in the future.

meaning she is still bound by destiny, as foretold by Verdfolnir. If Surtalogi is destined to bring his disciple to Teyvat, it implies that Skirk’s arrival in Teyvat is also part of fate. It is also explained here that Skirk remains bound by destiny, that also explained in here if skirk still bound on fate..

The same Vedrfolnir whom prophesied that stars will bow to Skirk? The same stars contains fate? Vedrfolnir can't be wrong and it's indicated she will be a descender by virtue of Surtalogi statement and as well Ved statement of stars bowing to Skirk.

The reason Skirk came to Teyvat was merely to uncover the source of Surtalogia power and to follow the path Surtalogi once walked. Skirk never deliberately restrained herself from becoming a Descender. she simply isn’t yet capable of becoming one, because a Descender must possess the willpower strong enough to alter, create, and destroy worlds

A descender must have a will in this world and Skirk doesn't hence she isn't a descender. The same reason why Surtalogi isn't a descender by virtue of him seeking evolution outside of Humanity or Teyvat despite him having the will to destroy teyvat and be stronger than Teyvat according to Skirk character story.

That law is a universal one, and fate governs everything in the universe.

The text doesnt say universe btw. Just govern everything.

So how could we assume it only applies to Teyvat? Istaroth is described as the “mother of 14 billion years,” which represents the universe itself

Doesnt mean anything. A character can be older than the universe without ruling the universe.

and Irminsul contains information about the cosmos. I think there’s already enough evidence supporting this idea.

If there is enough evidence, then it should be explicitly stated and yet it doesn't.

For now, I’m quite certain that Phanes and the Shades possess authority that extends beyond Teyvat.

You can believe so, tho there is nothing that explicitly proves it. Not one mention that their laws are everywhere in the universe

 

[MSahla]

"Better late than never" ahh, Skirk LS Upgrade [Genshin Impact]

Yeah so this is kinda minor maybe, idk. Instead of Skirk's Lifting Strength being literally "Unknown", why don't we just add something so its not just empty. Let's just give her at least Superhuman because she can throw Tartaglia or Class K as she should be superior to her disciple Tartaglia...

vsbattles.com

 

[Furina003]

and yet he said he will become one by saying: But you are not yet worthy of that name

"Yet" implies there is an indication of her becoming a Descender in the future.

Yeah, that’s right she’s not worthy of becoming a Descender yet because she’s still bound by fate. I’m not talking about whether Skirk might eventually break free from fate in the future or not we simply don’t know that yet.

The same Vedrfolnir whom prophesied that stars will bow to Skirk? The same stars contains fate? Vedrfolnir can't be wrong and it's indicated she will be a descender by virtue of Surtalogi statement and as well Ved statement of stars bowing to Skirk.

Yeah, that’s why Surtalogia wants to free Skirk from the chains of fate so that she can overcome it later. This implies that, for now, Skirk is still bound by destiny, which proves that the fate governed by the Heavenly Principles doesn’t apply only to the people of Teyvat, but also to those who come from beyond Teyvat, like Skirk.

A descender must have a will in this world and Skirk doesn't hence she isn't a descender. The same reason why Surtalogi isn't a descender by virtue of him seeking evolution outside of Humanity or Teyvat despite him having the will to destroy teyvat and be stronger than Teyvat according to Skirk character story.

Yeah, that’s one of the reasons why Skirk can’t become a Descender for now she hasn’t met the requirements yet, such as being free from fate, being able to rival the world itself, and possessing the power to destroy or create worlds.

The text doesnt say universe btw. Just govern everything.

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Doesnt mean anything. A character can be older than the universe without ruling the universe.

that doesn’t just explain age it also describes the cycle that occurs within the universe.

If there is enough evidence, then it should be explicitly stated and yet it doesn't.

There’s already plenty of evidence such as fate governing the universe, and the chaos of Musica Mundana being capable of destroying the entire cosmos.

You can believe so, tho there is nothing that explicitly proves it. Not one mention that their laws are everywhere in the universe

It’s not just laws fate itself also governs the universe, as I’ve already proven before. Meanwhile, do we even have a single statement that says the Heavenly Principles’ authority applies only to Teyvat?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

That’s why Skirk didn’t become a Descender, Perinheri didn’t become a Descender, and the Traveler’s sibling didn’t become one either even though they all come from beyond Teyvat. It’s because being a Descender isn’t just about coming from another world, one must also be a rival to the entire world itself, free from the constraints of fate, and strong enough to alter, destroy, and create worlds.

Dude, skirk literally said she seeks evolution outside of the collective of teyvat. She is deliberately not trying to be a descender.

She deliberately stated she seeked evolution outside the world in teapot.

 

[Furina003]

Dude, skirk literally said she seeks evolution outside of the collective of teyvat. She is deliberately not trying to be a descender.

She deliberately stated she seeked evolution outside the world in teapot.

What I mean is that, for now, Skirk can’t be considered a Descender. as for the future, we can’t really predict that yet. By the way, where’s the statement where Skirk says she doesn’t want to become a Descender?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Yeah, that’s right she’s not worthy of becoming a Descender yet because she’s still bound by fate. I’m not talking about whether Skirk might eventually break free from fate in the future or not we simply don’t know that yet.

Yeah, that’s why Surtalogia wants to free Skirk from the chains of fate so that she can overcome it later. This implies that, for now, Skirk is still bound by destiny, which proves that the fate governed by the Heavenly Principles doesn’t apply only to the people of Teyvat, but also to those who come from beyond Teyvat, like Skirk.

Yeah, that’s one of the reasons why Skirk can’t become a Descender for now she hasn’t met the requirements yet, such as being free from fate, being able to rival the world itself, and possessing the power to destroy or create worlds.

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That is such sophistry because you quoted from the Scroll of Streaming and adding your own things to it.

that doesn’t just explain age it also describes the cycle that occurs within the universe.

There’s already plenty of evidence such as fate governing the universe, and the chaos of Musica Mundana being capable of destroying the entire cosmos.

It’s not just laws fate itself also governs the universe, as I’ve already proven before. Meanwhile, do we even have a single statement that says the Heavenly Principles’ authority applies only to Teyvat?

And can you actually prove that celestia created the concept of Fate? Yall just cherry picking every fate scan yall see but never proving a thing. The fact that P.O fates exist within the false sky stars and there are laws outside the false sky existing prior to celestia rule as stated from the
Tears Among the Stars description:

❝The rules among the stars dictate that nature must be conserved, but the laws of the universe have never been conserved.

Mage "N": People call such things "fate," and it is written in the stars — it cannot so easily be altered.
If Celestia created the concept of fate, there was no reason of it trying to protect Teyvat since they can control anything afterall.

All-Devouring-Narwhal description:

❝In the most fantastical stories or outrageous lies, the stars found in the depths of the cosmos might be teeming with life, much like Teyvat, and the universe itself is akin to an ocean. Realistically speaking, however, if a profound universe full of life exists, why hasn't any of that life made contact with Teyvat?

Maybe the universe has been constantly trying to infiltrate Teyvat, or maybe a higher power created borders to protect this world.

We know from astrologers like Mona confirms that teyvat fates are bound within the false sky.

And I don't need to prove that H.P laws are only bound in teyvat. It's your job to prove the opposition as you claim something that isn't explicity stated in the game, so the burden of proof is on you. The game is very clear that H.P created Teyvat laws but you will never find one scan that says he also created universe laws.

At Last Celestia doesn't even have the power to manipulate Fate as stated by Nicole and proven in fontain archon quest.
Mage "N": Just as prophecies are usually only the future as seen from the perspectives of the gods, could things be happening in hidden corners where the gods' gaze does not fall?

What I mean is that, for now, Skirk can’t be considered a Descender. as for the future, we can’t really predict that yet. By the way, where’s the statement where Skirk says she doesn’t want to become a Descender?

She doesn't have to specifically state she doesn't want to be a descender, the fact that she claimed the only reason she isn't one is because she isn't interested in the world affairs when she explained that to the traveler.

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I accidentally set this as the render instead of her gallery and reverted this. Could this stay as her render though?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hu_Tao_(Genshin_Impact)?oldid=9244528

Lol

 

[Furina003]

That is such sophistry because you quoted from the Scroll of Streaming and adding your own things to it.

And can you actually prove that celestia created the concept of Fate? Yall just cherry picking every fate scan yall see but never proving a thing. The fact that P.O fates exist within the false sky stars and there are laws outside the false sky existing prior to celestia rule as stated from the
Tears Among the Stars description:

as explained by remus, digenshin destiny is divided into 3 levels, and musika mundana is the highest, phanes is explicitly called the master of musika mundana, musika mundana is explained as the destiny that supports the entire universe

❝The rules among the stars dictate that nature must be conserved, but the laws of the universe have never been conserved.

Mage "N": People call such things "fate," and it is written in the stars — it cannot so easily be altered.
If Celestia created the concept of fate, there was no reason of it trying to protect Teyvat since they can control anything afterall.

Celestia clearly created destiny, did you forget about the incident in Fontaine? Who determines that destiny? And the incident in Remuria's world quest? These two quests explain how absolute destiny is determined by heavenly principles, even after creating Phobos, Remuria cannot escape that destiny.

All-Devouring-Narwhal description:

❝In the most fantastical stories or outrageous lies, the stars found in the depths of the cosmos might be teeming with life, much like Teyvat, and the universe itself is akin to an ocean. Realistically speaking, however, if a profound universe full of life exists, why hasn't any of that life made contact with Teyvat?

Maybe the universe has been constantly trying to infiltrate Teyvat, or maybe a higher power created borders to protect this world.

This doesn't even have anything to do with destiny bro, and remember i never said teyvat = universe. teyvat is just a planet but what i am discussing is control of destiny and heavenly principles law

We know from astrologers like Mona confirms that teyvat fates are bound within the false sky.

And I don't need to prove that H.P laws are only bound in teyvat. It's your job to prove the opposition as you claim something that isn't explicity stated in the game, so the burden of proof is on you. The game is very clear that H.P created Teyvat laws but you will never find one scan that says he also created universe laws.

If you read the text of the Mundana music that I gave, it is clearly explained that fate has an impact on the entire universe, not just Teyvat. Teyvat is indeed in the false sky, so what is its relationship with fate itself?

At Last Celestia doesn't even have the power to manipulate Fate as stated by Nicole and proven in fontain archon quest.
Mage "N": Just as prophecies are usually only the future as seen from the perspectives of the gods, could things be happening in hidden corners where the gods' gaze does not fall?

nikole just hinted that there is a way to lie to fate, like focalors do

She doesn't have to specifically state she doesn't want to be a descender, the fact that she claimed the only reason she isn't one is because she isn't interested in the world affairs when she explained that to the traveler.

it must be proven that Skirk refused to become a descender, and I never read that, Skirk only refused to interact with Teyvat, not become a descender

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I think the abyss is not entropy but absolute emptiness, as Skirk said, it is absolute darkness, the abyss is emptiness that brings disaster/entropy/destruction, why is it like that? Rukhadevatta once explained that the abyss was impending disaster because the world rejected the abyss itself

Abyss is IX from hsr

 

[Furina003]

According to albedo, beings who are consumed by abyss are manifestation of abyss's power

If CRT Nep 1 is accepted, wouldn't rerir get it? since he has already fully evolved into abyss

 

[MSahla]

If CRT Nep 1 is accepted, wouldn't rerir get it? since he has already fully evolved into abyss

All Sinners + Nibelung.

 

[OmniScalator]

If CRT Nep 1 is accepted, wouldn't rerir get it? since he has already fully evolved into abyss

Yeah I think they should get some sort of non existence physiology since that is what they basically become

 

[MSahla]

i never understand when people want to make a theory of nibelung or teyvat actually being created by someone else when the game has been referring him as:

• The primordial creator
• The primordial master of this world
• The primordial being that once ruled the planet

Nibelung is the one who created the planet.