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Undertale: The Continuation of a series of big revisions (Part 2/?)

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Hello guys. We are here again, this time it's my turn to make a very important UT CRT.

So, as most of you know, @TheOrangeGuy09 made a UT CRT almost 11 months ago but it didn't get approved yet so now I am here to add some stuff from his CRT and also add 1 or 2 new things.

Stamina Revisions

First of all, add to Papyrus the fact that he is "usually too busy to sleep", which makes his current Superhuman stamina more consistent. Secondly, monsters get exhausted from using attacks, meaning anyone who attacks more than Papyrus overall should upscale from him in Stamina. This would solidify Undyne, Asgore, Toriel, Omega Flowey, Muffet, and Mettaton's justifications. This would also upscale Sans from Average to Superhuman, as his fight uses way more attacks than Papyrus, and he also dodges unlike his brother. This is also supported by the fact that he can still talk and walk away even after getting 9999999 damage.These two ghosts have their Stamina ratings they shouldn't have for no reason.Mad Dummy can keep his Superhuman stamina for displaying more magic than Paps in his battle (same as Sans). Napstablook though... ig he will just have to stay at Unknown, likely Superhuman (Should be likely comparable to his cousins).


New Abilities for characters
Sans also gets more reasoning for Fourth Wall Breaking (he can forcefully end the fight by making the player leave the box), and Teleportation because of the 10th anniversary fight.

Sans' Intelligence "Upgrade"

He should straight up have Extraordinary Genius. His current justification, especially reading faces, is beyond human limits. Additionally, he can even know if Frisk kills someone after the first judgement just to see his reaction.
ALSO, In the game files the dimensional boxes are called "obj_sansbox", this implies that Sans was the one who built them.
This is by far an Extraordinary Genius feat, and everything mentioned before are supportive feats for Sans' EG

Alphys Intelligence Reasoning
She should still be EG, but the math problem part is wrong because she did not solve the math problem; she already knew the answer since those questions were all planned with Mettaton and stuff.

Glyde and So Sorry Upgrades
So Sorry and Glyde are rn "At most High 8-C" but I believe they should be straight up High 8-C because of:
  • So Sorry should be comparable to the other Hotland monsters, in fact he tanks more hits than all other Hotland monsters except for Muffet, which are already High 8-C.
  • Glyde takes 7-8 hits to get killed which is comparable to Jerry (8-10 hits) which means he should be really comparable to a 30 DEF, not to mention he tanks way more hits unlike the other Snowdin monsters who tank 1 or 2 in best options.

Conclusions:
Some characters get more abilities
Some Stamina revisions
Sans and Alphys get their intelligence tiers fixed.
Glyde and So Sorry are now straight up "High 8-C" instead of being "At most High 8-C"
 
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I agree with all besides the intelligence bit, as the "beyond human limits" is already covered by the Genius stuff:

Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.

Though I do get that this can be seen as way, way too unrealistic for real world standards to be simple Genius, but I am unsure of it tbh. So I am neutral on that.
 
I understand the stamina bit, and it makes sense on paper, but something about it feels off to me. I don't have any argument really against it besides my own belief we should take the characters case by case instead of just scaling them all to papyrus based off turn numbers, (even though several of those characters should scale to papyrus anyways) so i suppose it's fine since I have zero real arguments against it.

everything else seems fine. I agree with Strym regarding Sans' intelligence bit.
 
Agree with everything.
I feel like this because it's technically 95% my old CRT:
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By the way, it's strongly implied sans tried fixing the machine in his workshop, which further supports Extraordinary genius intelligence
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By the way, it's strongly implied sans tried fixing the machine in his workshop, which further supports Extraordinary genius intelligence
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Other than what Orange said, what is exactly the machine in question? Nothing was even specified about it to my memory.
 
I feel like him deducing how many times Frisk has died is due to his weird power to sense their LV.
The thing is, Sans also has a huge knowledge on physics and he should be somehow comparable to Alphys and not that much inferior to Gaster
 
the physics thing is just regular ol' genius
It's via reading expressions in a way that no irl person can, he also possibly created stuff that gives him reports and reports are worth EG by themselves.

yeah wait a goddamn second what the hell how did you manage that one
Uh... I just decided to bump the CRT creatively!
 
Sans making a machine that can scan and give him reports on the timelines and their futures is Genius... sureeee
 
Sans making a machine that can scan and give him reports on the timelines and their futures is Genius... sureeee
In all fairness, that's one line where we don't really know where he gets that. It's not like the machine in the lab in his house is the thing doing it, because it's broken.
 
I wonder where the genius scientist character would get his reports from... this is a BIIIIIG mystery for sure.
And do we have any context on where he gets them? Did he invent the machine? does he just have the machine but didn't create it? No context means you can include him having said reports, but can't rate him higher on the idea that he may have invented a machine that may or may not have been created by him.
 
Machine stuff is vague and supportive, EG really should come down from how accurately he reads expressions
 
Should be listed as Self-Statistics Reduction since Napstablook can only use it on themselves
Is the demo canon? The other examples seem fine tho

I disagree with the Sans' intelligence upgrade for the same reasons brought up by others in this thread

everything else seems fine (I'm surprised Asgore and Hyperdeath Asriel's destruction of the UI wasn't already listed on the profiles)
 
Sans literally says "according to our reports", implying that he wasn't alone.

Plus there's no real evidence of him having built the thing besides baseless assumptions.
Also, when Sans says "according to our reports" he's likely talking about Alphys, there's a few bits of dialogue in-game (and stuff said by Toby in the 10th anni stream) that heavily implies they both know and work with each other in some capacity. It wouldn't be a stretch to say he and Alphys worked together on figuring out the timeline shenanigans, so Alphys might've been the one to make whatever machine Sans was using to get his reports.
 
Is the demo canon?
Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Everything that is official, as long as Toby himself does not say it's not canon like the Fangamer Merch or the Spamton Sweepstakes Livestream, are canon because they always add more stuff to the lore, for the same reason why we don't take stuff that's exclusive to the console versions as not canon simply because they're not in the PC version, because they're still made from Toby himself, and him making these implementations while intending for these to not matter at all makes no sense.
 
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