Izuku Midoriya (Final Act) VS Kamen Rider Geats (Pre-Ascension): Clash Of Heroes (1-12-0) MATCH DONE

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why is soul hax never mentioned

 

[BERRIES555]

How does he activate it? Like, does Deku need to physically trap Ace to transfer OFA?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

How does he activate it? Like, does Deku need to physically trap Ace to transfer OFA?

Punch him through a wound

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Punch him through a wound

He wears an armor in the first place, so good luck

 

[Machmatej]

I'll make my case for Deku. Like I said earlier, Deku's AP and speed amps are insane. Deku can do what he did against Shigaraki to overwhelm his danger sense, and that being just constantly using different abilities and changing up his fighting style (Or in this case physical stats which he can freely do). Since he has prior knowledge, it would be like his first thought.

He has 5 minutes to constantly change his own speed, from moving at a snail's pace to blitz tiers above his base self, and changing percentages of OFA from 5% to 100% and spreading it variously throughout his body with Full Cowling. From what I understood, Geats has a small timeframe in-between adaptations. I don't know how small this timeframe is, but I'm willing to bet it's not faster than Deku's insane speed amps.

To start, a base full cowling Deku was initially struggling to keep up with Lady Nagant's bullets. He could only use terrain as cover and rely on Danger Sense's precog to aim dodge those things. When he couldn't do that, he wasn't even fast enough to actually dodge and struggled to even block the bullets

But when he used Faux 100% at only 45% of OFA

He was able to cover what seems to be an entire City Block worth of space to reach Chisaki, and push him away while that same bullet moves less than a meter, while perception blitzing Lady Nagant, who was previously relative to him (the anime version actually emphasizes this a lot more)

Point is, Faux 100% at less than half of its power was already fast enough to statue things that were on Deku's base level.

He can even cross over 200 kilometers in the very same moment he activates this ability

Gearshift is actually way faster than this

As it allowed him to perception blitz Shigaraki and give him a brutal beating before he can even register what's happening, before he even realizes he's being hurt.

Basically, anything short of instantaneous adaptation is gonna give Deku more than enough time to close the gap and get a few hits in.

And at that point, he can either restrain him with Black Chains (Deku's own LS wouldn't be strong enough to break free, so he'd just be forced to take a beating)

and after Deku breaks through his armor, all he needs is one minor wound to transfer OFA onto him and finish him off via soul damage.

He could also just suffocate him by creating a dust cloud, freezing it with Gearshift, and restraining Geats in it.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Basically, anything short of instantaneous adaptation is gonna give Deku more than enough time to close the gap and get a few hits in.

Good thing we are talking about instantaneous adaptation

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

so how does this matter against instantaneous stat equals?

 

[IxaSaga]

I think there's a misconception here.

Geats has both amps and a passive instantaneous stats equal

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He wears an armor in the first place, so good luck

Where does the armor scale

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Where does the armor scale

Equal stats

 

[BERRIES555]

Ace’s stat went from Mach 5 to being 5 quadrillion times the speed of light agaisnt ReVice. Deku Using gearshift to perception blitz Ace would NEVER happen. He instantly covered a speed gap bigger than anything shown in MHA, covering Gearshift’s speed amp to his base would be easy as all hell

 

[Machmatej]

Ace’s stat went from Mach 5 to being 5 quadrillion times the speed of light agaisnt ReVice. Deku Using gearshift to perception blitz Ace would NEVER happen. He instantly covered a speed gap bigger than anything shown in MHA, covering Gearshift’s speed amp to his base would be easy as all hell

isn't he just equalized to whatever Deku scales to?

 

[BERRIES555]

Punch him through a wound

If it’s through physical touch than it’s unlikely. Ace is very, very skilled to the point where he scales to and above the higher ups of his verse. I had a list of skill feats Ace scales to in the first page

 

[Machmatej]

so first there was a timeframe, then near instantaneous, and now it's instantaneous. Kind of hard to argue a Deku win when the character's abilities change depending on who I'm talking to

 

[BERRIES555]

isn't he just equalized to whatever Deku scales to?

Yes, which is why Deku Gearshifting to overwhelm Ace would never happen due to Spark Amps instantly equaling their speed

 

[IxaSaga]

so first there was a timeframe, then near instantaneous, and now it's instantaneous. Kind of hard to argue a Deku win when the character's abilities change depending on who I'm talking to

yea they are talking about 3 different things but now add them together

 

[BERRIES555]

so first there was a timeframe, then near instantaneous, and now it's instantaneous. Kind of hard to argue a Deku win when the character's abilities change depending on who I'm talking to

I mean he goes from Mach 5 one moment…..than 5 quad C the next moment. either way, Deku’s stats amps would be equalized through Spark

This fight really just comes down to abilities and skill. Ace has those is spades

 

[NikHelton]

My position remains the same. My argument doesn't even use AD, so I don't see any change.

Geats low diff

 

[Shadowslash125]

OK I'm back.

1. Deku can transfer OFA in such a violent way that it can damage the soul.

And damage to the soul/spirit will also transfer onto the receiver's physical body.
As seen when Deku himself lost his arms after getting his soul partially decayed.

There's a small caveat I'm seeing in the first scan. It's stated that Shiggy's soul has already been damaged by Star and Stripe prior to this fight. All they're doing is to basically pump the vestiges into his scar hole, which is still a thing, but Deku has to poke a hole Geats' soul first before that can happen. Which I know for a fact he doesn't have holes in his soul.
Secondly, even that gambit wasn't a total success. Didn't they only manage to get one vestige inside, or something?

If Shigaraki's willpower already allows him to reject almost every vestige, I don't see why Ace shouldn't be able to do this too. Keep in mind, his willpower to find his mother is so potent that he went through constant reincarnations with this same goal and memories and whatnot, all bordering on Reality Warping.

2. Deku's analytical prediction is decent, as he was able to analyze Lemillion's movements and speed to find out where and when he would pop out after going underground, and Final War Arc Deku should just be vastly superior to that.

He can also predict and analyze the movements of people he can't even perceive (Basically just a lesser version of what Meruem does)

And this is where we have to address the elephant in the room. This whole thing:

Ace is one of THE most skilled Kamen Riders ever. His skilled is comparable to Touma and Aruto. The reason why this alone is impressive is due to many skill feats

1. Touma is someone who fought against Durendal, a Kamen Rider who had the abilities to erase moment of time (similar to King Crimson) to attack enemies on their blind spot. This ability is something that seasoned fighters struggle to go up against. Touma in his first ever fight against Durendal was able to recognized that time was erased mid attack and was able to predict Durendal’s movements and parry his attack whilst he was already in the motion of attacking. He would then just be able to outright predict movements through his erased time.
2. Another Saber Rider he scales above is Blades, who had the combined knowledge of all previous Seiken users, all of whom were members of the Sword of Logos. The SoL is an organization that spanned over 2000 years and all of their members were considered to be master swordsmen and some of the best in the worlds.
3. Hiden Aruto is someone who doesn’t need to be introduced when it comes to precog. Aruto by the end of the series is capable of predicting several trillions to quadrillions of battle scenarios over the span of, I kid you not, a few seconds. Just to point out, the abilities to predict 4 scenarios in Kamen Rider Zero One was so OP that it was able to counters a speed blitz and TP

TLDR: Ace’s skill allows him to keep up with people who’s analytical prediction was so potent that they can predict attacks through erased time, several hundreds of thousands of layered AP that can break through TP and a speed blitz, and the combined knowledge of hundreds of humanity’s greatest swordsmen.

To add to this, Ace himself has been fighting constantly in the DGP for about 2000 years as well, winning every single battle royale/death game he participated to date. So he isn't just piggybacking off a skill chain either.
Secondly, this is Durendal in action. Touma is able to 'predict' his attack, but he had some ability to help him through. Blades was able to tag him through pure skill alone.
Where does Ace fall in this? The Saber Riders fought the Revice Riders at some point (I forgor the results but they were evenly matched 95% of the time). Those same Revice Riders end up fighting Geats and Co. This is how Geats basically finessed Revi of Revice without any sweat (before it ends in a stalemate).



So yes, he is very skilled.
For ANPR shit, he kinda only has it in his Magnum form, but this is essentially what he can do even without ANPR.

3. Fa Jin lets him store up to 5x the full force of OFA, which he can either release through his fists for a quintuple smash (a combination of 5 Detroit Smashes at once), or through the legs with Faux 100% to boost his speed to the point where even 45% was enough to cross hundreds of meters while completely statuing the same special bullets that he could previously barely keep up with. It works by storing up his KE, so theoretically he can become even stronger and faster if he has enough time to charge it up, though he would likely injure himself. Gearshift is even faster, as higher gears allow him to blitz opponents who are on par with his previous speed. Not to mention that one touch from Gearshift can freeze you in place for up to 5 minutes (more since Deku can go beyond his limits), and it would let Deku do whatever he wants until he loses steam.

Thankfully, Geats' Desire Amp can mirror the amps Deku gets from his abilities, essentially equalising Geats to Deku.
Also, what BERRIES and Ixa were trying to say is that Ace can equalise almost instantly to Revi's level (which is like 1-C). They were emphasizing the speed at which he went from 7-C to 1-C, which is, at the moment, the limit to how high he can equalise. So basically, he'd just equalise to whatever stat Deku is, without overtaking him yet.

Edit: Worth noting that even if Deku is severely injured and can't fight back on his own, he can just puppet his own body with Black Whip and continue fighting until he just drops dead
.

This essentially gives him more survivability, and with that big prior knowledge on his desire amp, he should have something planned up I figure.

This would mean that Ace could duplicate himself 20x with Ninja, bio and poison Hax with Zombie, or force Deku to dance with Broadway Force. His only saving grace is the fact that the powers he gets is random…..but Ace has supernatural luck. He’d pretty easily get the right combo.

He tends to use his Boost Times to the max, so I don't see him doing that till he does a finisher and lose his boost.

EDIT: Oh my god, I have to reply more.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Which I know for a fact he doesn't have holes in his soul.

Uhhh..... His mother?

 

[DarthSorox]

Geats FRA

 

[Shadowslash125]

And lemme just count the votes again before I make my piece once more.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Uhhh..... His mother?

Literal, not metaphorical lol.

Since he has prior knowledge

Just to be clear, are you aware that Deku only has prior knowledge on the fact that Geats can equalise to his stats, not his actual abilities?
Just a small question before I give my piece.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I've already counted Mach, so...

Ace FRA

Voting geats FRA

Kazuma, clarify whether your vote is genuine or you being playful.

Geats low diff

Geats FRA

The rest are counted.

 

[IxaSaga]

Geats Fra

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Now you see why we, Kamen Rider supporters, are feared in this site lmao (thank you, Zero-One)

 

[BERRIES555]

I think we’re more annoying than feared lmao

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I think we’re more annoying than feared lmao

Still the same to me smh

 

[Machmatej]

OK I'm back.


There's a small caveat I'm seeing in the first scan. It's stated that Shiggy's soul has already been damaged by Star and Stripe prior to this fight. All they're doing is to basically pump the vestiges into his scar hole, which is still a thing, but Deku has to poke a hole Geats' soul first before that can happen. Which I know for a fact he doesn't have holes in his soul.
Secondly, even that gambit wasn't a total success. Didn't they only manage to get one vestige inside, or something?

Nah, basically Shigaraki's soul had this natural black barrier made of hatred around it that protected his soul

So Deku abused the crack that Star left. This is smth specific to Shigaraki.

And yes, Deku did lose the initial soul fight and got his arms decayed. But I think their little soul battle had more so to do with the fact that both One For All and All For One had a spiritual connection to each other, and had different ways of interacting with the soul. Shigaraki/AFO had ways to fight inside his soul and protect, it wasn't just them having strong willpower.

I'll reply to everything later

 

[IxaSaga]

Now you see why we, Kamen Rider supporters, are feared in this site lmao (thank you, Zero-One)

I'm sry Megumi but tis corny

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Kazuma, clarify whether your vote is genuine or you being playful.

Is genuine, I am literally arguing for him

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Deku fra





Geats fra

 

[Arsuzz]

Still voting for Kamen Rider

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

We need to reach 20 pages guys

 

[Shadowslash125]

Geats has both amps and a passive instantaneous stats equal

I removed the amps part, mostly.

He has 5 minutes to constantly change his own speed, from moving at a snail's pace to blitz tiers above his base self, and changing percentages of OFA from 5% to 100% and spreading it variously throughout his body with Full Cowling. From what I understood, Geats has a small timeframe in-between adaptations. I don't know how small this timeframe is, but I'm willing to bet it's not faster than Deku's insane speed amps.

Oh god, it's because I used the word mirror, didn't I? Firstly, I apologize for my English as a second language shit.
This is a very big problem for Deku if he does this, since while Geats does mirror Deku's amps, he still retains it even if he depowers himself. Basically Geats mirrors the amps as Deku gets amped, but is not affected by the depowering. This would actually be a massive problem, but I gave him prior knowledge about the workings of the desire empowerment, so I figure he won't be trying to teeter totter between amping himself and depowering himself.

To start, a base full cowling Deku was initially struggling to keep up with Lady Nagant's bullets. He could only use terrain as cover and rely on Danger Sense's precog to aim dodge those things. When he couldn't do that, he wasn't even fast enough to actually dodge and struggled to even block the bullets

But when he used Faux 100% at only 45% of OFA

He was able to cover what seems to be an entire City Block worth of space to reach Chisaki, and push him away while that same bullet moves less than a meter, while perception blitzing Lady Nagant, who was previously relative to him (the anime version actually emphasizes this a lot more)

Point is, Faux 100% at less than half of its power was already fast enough to statue things that were on Deku's base level.

He can even cross over 200 kilometers in the very same moment he activates this ability

Gearshift is actually way faster than this

As it allowed him to perception blitz Shigaraki and give him a brutal beating before he can even register what's happening, before he even realizes he's being hurt.

Basically, anything short of instantaneous adaptation is gonna give Deku more than enough time to close the gap and get a few hits in.

Right, noted.
Geats Riders desire amp is instantaneous in a way that by the time the match starts, they've already equalised to the enemy (if they're more powerful). Take this one for example; here Ace is in his 9-B civ key, and he just equalised with the High 8-C monsters immediately to fight evenly with them, and then he obviously won. Most showcases of Desire Amp are like this, so even among us supporters, it's hard to discern whether it's literally instant or almost instant. Another notable example is this; Geats in his Magnum Form is over 2700x weaker than Kamen Rider Buffa in his Command Twin form, yet not only was he able to tank his attacks, but also dodged them when they landed. There's a few more scans of Geats Riders fighting enemies far stronger than them, but for now, these should suffice.

And at that point, he can either restrain him with Black Chains (Deku's own LS wouldn't be strong enough to break free, so he'd just be forced to take a beating)

Btw, the mirroring also extends to the stats of his abilities. Yes, he cannot copy/mirror/whatever actual abilities, but if they have stats (like higher AP with Kamehameha) to them, he gets those stats. If Deku does this, Geats would have the LS of the blackwhip.

and after Deku breaks through his armor, all he needs is one minor wound to transfer OFA onto him and finish him off via soul damage.

Before I forget, Geats can dodge close quarter blows like this. Just keep this in mind. Also, he has a companion with him in this form (aka everytime he uses Boost), so it's basically a 2 v 1.

He could also just suffocate him by creating a dust cloud

Non-Standard Breathing (Type 3; The crush, the mouth section of the Riders, are able to prevent the entrance of toxic substances, as well as extracting oxygen underwater, to maintain their breathing. This also allows them to survive in oxygen-free environments for a short period of time)

freezing it with Gearshift, and restraining Geats in it.

Freezing air with Gearshift is new, ngl.

 

[Shadowslash125]

And I'll be counting the votes.

Is genuine, I am literally arguing for him

Still voting for Kamen Rider

Counted

Deku fra





Geats fra

one million years of gotchard marathons for ye. Pick one.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Geats FRA

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

GRACE STARTS!

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

And I'll be counting the votes.


Counted


one million years of gotchard marathons for ye. Pick one.

Geats

 

[NikHelton]

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