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Luffy vs The Hashira [0:0:0]
- Thread starter Kaydee1648
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MANOFGOD7
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Low 7-B Dura Tanjiro
how is that even possible
how is that even possible
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Someone leaked it in an unrelated Discord and then I linked it here, not knowing it was leaked.bro
how do you accidentally leak a calc
Oops
There are no counter arguments. Only the death of a verse.he is helping the opps to prepare counterarguments
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(releasing in 2029)
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quietly glances at MHA
Arkenis
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at least they got like 8 other calcs in the tier lmao.
Machmatej
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glance away
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Mars victims lmao
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if you count tier 6 as a whole ig, but when the closest calc is thousands of times weaker and comes from missiles that would've killed top 2 of the verse idk
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which mars
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Diamond Kingdom Mars
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peak, he solor fr
Kazuma_kuwabara
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You are denying 7-A BC?
Also, read the series and see how the last chapter has a FTL feat, but hey, lightspeed cap lol
Arkenis
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No I am indeed saying BC has the most accurate ap of the new gen. Speed is a bit funny though considering the statements about Light magic
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Ap is not consistent bruh. You will have a random goon that outstats the ultimate villain of the previous arc
Not that it's wrong, just weird
Not that it's wrong, just weird
Kazuma_kuwabara
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They trained, what do you want
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Is better to have all the cast at 8-C while 2 guys are 5-C carrying, aka, Naruto
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- Thread starter
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what’s naruto catching strays for
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shushh, bc aint catching strays when its already on life support on vsbw
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that isnt really the same as inconsistency, powercliffing is the word
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I feel like all the issues with demon slayer are solved if it’s just assumed the infinite castle doesn’t scale to anyone physically. Though getting annoyed at low 7-C to 7-C feels like just going with the vibes to me. Does it make sense to them scaling to a mother of all bombs? Because Muzan does have the most direct feat possible on that level. The 7-C feat was straight a physical attack.
Plus really ironic to talk about feats being way beyond everything else when one piece is 5-B off a single 5-C feat with its only support being a hypothetical feat that maybe could have happened
Plus really ironic to talk about feats being way beyond everything else when one piece is 5-B off a single 5-C feat with its only support being a hypothetical feat that maybe could have happened
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One piece is losing all of it's tier 5 feats tho
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Ooh yes! I am really happy over that myself. Been far too long.One piece is losing of it's tier 5 feats tho
Need to clarify I like one piece and demon slayer being 7-B is pushing it haha
Catbowtie
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Another case of people not knowing anything about KNY scaling and thinking they can speak about it
This is just appeal to incredulity. C'mon Arkenis you can do better than this.
Like, Sukuna doesn't scale to High 3-A due to True Sphere because of the context and narrative surrounding the feat, but if Gege said "Yes, Sukuna is as powerful as the True Sphere Yorozu created" then that's just High 3-A Sukuna right there.
(genuine question)
Then you'd just get kicked from the secret society you guys have going on.
Yes and Goku got hurt by a bullet, so Goku being at 2-C is wank.
This is just appeal to incredulity. C'mon Arkenis you can do better than this.
The verse page is right there Robo.Low 7-B Dura Tanjiro
Completely missed the mark there, Keeweed. Peeps are currently scaling to Gyutaro's 7-C calculation, but like, if you meant KNY profiles scaling to 5.8 Kilotons because of Nakime's feat some months ago, then the validity of your assumption would pretty much depend on the verse the creation feat came from and the context surrounding it.
Like, Sukuna doesn't scale to High 3-A due to True Sphere because of the context and narrative surrounding the feat, but if Gege said "Yes, Sukuna is as powerful as the True Sphere Yorozu created" then that's just High 3-A Sukuna right there.
Downscaling 10x from Emotion Clones or something. Castorice NEVER clarified that on the verse page so it leaves people like you confused. That's our fault.
Appeal to incredulity, and like, why are you talking about real life when it comes to a fictional story?
(genuine question)Muzan's Shockwave at the End of Series? Got tossed for not showing the same amount of destruction as the PSI the calculation used.
I don't know what feat you're talking about.
****, if Gotoge come out and straight up said Infinity Castle IS Infinite in scope, uses "universe" to describe it, and said all Jogen above her is more powerful than her, which includes the Infinity Castle, then Demon Slayer's just High 3-A. Simple as that.
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Arkenis
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Not the same argument, Goku getting hurt can be an off guard or inconsistent thing. And I'm not calling into question the validity of tier 7 KNY, I'm calling into question if there's anything to support the idea since we don't scale only off calcs.
I generally approach verses scaling where the narrative supports and other feats support certain scaling. Gyutaro's calc is not only a complex feat (math wise), but is concluded through differing methods resulting in anything from tier 8 to tier 7. The story makes zero mention of the characters being powerful enough to decimate/destroy/wipe, etc, a town or city OR even imply their potential of destruction or strength gets near that level in some metaphorical or comparative way. Then to make it funny, the only thing actually used as tier 7 support is a stabilization feat LMAO.
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Okay, let's stop to beat a corpse. The current scaling of the verse is done via multiplers and calcs, so by what is current accepted is "fine". Sure, it's gonna be removed and recalced, but there's no need to start such discussion in a vs thread, since it's not going anywhere.
Arkansalter2
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9-A KNY.
We the roblox supps are gonna have fun with this.
We the roblox supps are gonna have fun with this.
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9-C first key
Arkansalter2
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It's so joever.
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Let's think about matchups to make after the downgrade, me first: Ayanokoji vs all hashiras
Catbowtie
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The structure of your reasoning and mine are the same. That's what I'm getting at. You're being context blind and using appeal to incredulity to justify it. You know and can explain that there are reasons for Goku's bullet "anti-feat," but a few minutes earlier you don't even try to understand KNY scaling and write it off with an appeal to ridicule.
Doing dumb **** like committing a logical fallacy and then not elaborating your grievances just makes people think you're dumb and don't know what you're talking about. If you wanted to open a nuanced discussion you should've just started with this.
This is what I meant when I said you could do better. This is something I can work with
This is just what happens when you have multiple mathematicians give their take on a feat. People calculate Deku's Final Smash at High 6-C, High 6-B, and 6-A all the time. I even saw Planet Level OFA on reddit. It's a lot of the same with Gyutaro. Gyutaro's feat was calced as low as 8-B because a calculator thought Yoshiwara was built out of clay and was like (correct me if wrong) 95.7% empty space.
The Kizuki, dude
But I anticipate that you'll already have a response to this, so I'll say:
I do agree that feats need to be backed up by statements, narrative, and etc for it to be valid, let's just be clear on that, but what you might classify as valid evidence might be different from mine.
The power-based hierarchical system the Jogen has is enough proof that they would scale to Gyutaro's feat, methinks.
Arkenis
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Yeah but that's just incorrect calcing then. Deku's smash is probably lower than h6A, really not a problem though since there's stuff backing up a higher interpretation. From what I seen with Gyutaro's calc it tries just KE of one sickle slash, and calcing it as hemispheric explosion. I get feats can be calced differently but sometimes the calcs gotta match the verse's scale regardless of accuracy. You could get KE having the feat at 7C and it be the most accurate but if it doesn't match the story's depiction then I wouldn't think it's reasonable to accept by itself.
What are you referring to with them?
Does the hierarchical explain the difference in power in some meaningful way?
Personally I'm fine with statements saying a "weaker character couldn't even imagine the power a stronger one has" or "even if you trained your whole life you'd never reach their power" or "just don't even think of tryna be like them, they're in a different league". Stuff like this is fine for me to agree they reach higher tiers with the calc conveying it.
Machmatej
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i can think of a few statements like this. would you like me to grab a few scans?
Arkenis
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Yeah
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