Bleach God Tier Calc Update

[Damage3245]

There's a few more left to be updated in the post above, it seems.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

The revisions also were not applied properly, as Yhwach's reasonings do not match with his values, Aizen striking strength is not correct and possibly some other stuff I'll look at later. In addition, some profiles still haven't been applied
I'll also be honest, I cannot figure out where the 133.05 Exaton and 665.25 Exaton numbers are from. I know they were in the previous revision, so this technically has nothing to do with this thread but I don't know if I should be using those numbers or not.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

There's also Toshiro and Gerard lol I think they were mentioned at some point but I see they're not on the list either

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

5 characters left my b, I'll request for it to be closed in all purpose request when I'm done

 

[DragoZeroNova]

5 characters left my b, I'll request for it to be closed in all purpose request when I'm done

Seven, including Toshiro and Gerard

 

[Crobatman44]

The revisions also were not applied properly, as Yhwach's reasonings do not match with his values, Aizen striking strength is not correct and possibly some other stuff I'll look at later. In addition, some profiles still haven't been applied
I'll also be honest, I cannot figure out where the 133.05 Exaton and 665.25 Exaton numbers are from. I know they were in the previous revision, so this technically has nothing to do with this thread but I don't know if I should be using those numbers or not.

133.05 Exatons is from Quilge + Ayon essentially stacking Multipliers,and 665.25 is the Blut Multiplier for people like Yhwach.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Spoiler: Yhwach FIRST KEY Scaling

I know Yhwach scaling is postponed, but if we're going to adjust the numbers, then that should still mean we're using previous scaling (Unless these changes come out this month or something).

My proposal (if Gremmy scaling is axed) is to have Yhwach scale to Ichibe, who as I stated my previous post is currently scaling to that 4-B value. First, he does fight Ichibe and does do damage to him (Bleach TYBW episode 25 5:40-6:00) and his Blut technique blocks one of his Kido spells (Bleach TYBW episode 26 6:35-7:00), forcing Ichibe to use a Secret Hado. In addition, throughout both episodes, he clashes weapons with Ichibe multiple times.

If we were to just scale Yhwach to Yamamoto and say Ichibe doesn't scale to him, that would lead to one of the issues this thread talks about in regards to Senjumaru scaling: The numerical difference. The difference between Yhwach and Ichibe would be about 2.4e+24 or about
2,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (Give or take 1 or 2 zeros I'm not that good with this kind of stuff, someone can probably figure out the actual difference).

This is because Yhwach would scale to about 600 exatons (I guess?) compared to Ichibe's 10.1 Gigafoe.

I also need to know why this is not what we're using. If we are just ignoring this, then I need to fix Yhwach's justifications (and his justifications currently need fixing anyways.
Aizen's striking strength is wrong

 

[DragoZeroNova]

133.05 Exatons is from Quilge + Ayon essentially stacking Multipliers,and 665.25 is the Blut Multiplier for people like Yhwach.

Thanks (I knew where the 665.25 was from, just not where the 133.05 to get to 665.25 was from) (and **** sternritters)

 

[Crobatman44]

Problem is that's a Yhwach really close to the 9 years of strength being fully over + he's absorbing sternritter over that time,so like at best we can just make a new Yhwach second invasion key.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

he previously scaled to the zaraki's moon calc so that is what I gave him thinking he doesnt get senjumaru scaling in base

 

[Crobatman44]

Nah,Base Yhwach bypassed the Zaraki calc thanks to funny Quilge stuff since the zaraki calc is slighty lower.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Problem is that's a Yhwach really close to the 9 years of strength being fully over + he's absorbing sternritter over that time,so like at best we can just make a new Yhwach second invasion key.

I really just need a way to properly express why Yhwach somehow doesn't scale to Ichibe in his first key for his justifications, if we aren't accepting that scaling for whatever reason. At worst, I could write a note when the justifications are fixed that Yhwach's scaling will be properly fixed at a later point.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Also, I'm sure this'll make no one happy, but unless I did the math wrong, 4.74859e29 J is not 113.35 Exatons, it's 113.4940, or 113.5 Exatons. I genuinely don't know if anyone wants to be bothered to fix the .14 difference.

 

[Crobatman44]

I really just need a way to properly express why Yhwach somehow doesn't scale to Ichibe in his first key for his justifications, if we aren't accepting that scaling for whatever reason. At worst, I could write a note when the justifications are fixed that Yhwach's scaling will be properly fixed at a later point.

Probably for the best to do it like that tbh,pre Almighty Yhwach(and everyone else involved in that chain) scaling to Ichibei is a whole new can of worms that should be part of a separate CRT.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Probably for the best to do it like that tbh,pre Almighty Yhwach(and everyone else involved in that chain) scaling to Ichibei is a whole new can of worms that should be part of a separate CRT.

Then assuming we can get Yhwach's profile back open (Because I need to fix a justification unrelated to this anyways), I'll write a note in the description of the change about why this is like this so there's proof on the profile history.

 

[Crobatman44]

Then assuming we can get Yhwach's profile back open (Because I need to fix a justification unrelated to this anyways), I'll write a note in the description of the change about why this is like this so there's proof on the profile history.

Honestly it's for the best to wait for cour 4 at this rate since Yhwach has stuff to be done for literally all of his Keys atm.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Honestly it's for the best to wait for cour 4 at this rate since Yhwach has stuff to be done for literally all of his Keys atm.

It's just right now it says his statistics is 10x weaker and it's only 5x lol Really bothers me especially since the values aren't correct either so this revision wasn't properly applied (So we should probably open it back up anyways)

 

[Crobatman44]

It's just right now it says his statistics is 10x weaker and it's only 5x lol Really bothers me especially since the values aren't correct either so this revision wasn't properly applied (So we should probably open it back up anyways)

Yeah,i mean after fixing that sorta stuff.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I really just need a way to properly express why Yhwach somehow doesn't scale to Ichibe in his first key for his justifications, if we aren't accepting that scaling for whatever reason. At worst, I could write a note when the justifications are fixed that Yhwach's scaling will be properly fixed at a later point.

would you mind updating yhwach's profile with your suggestion then?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

would you mind updating yhwach's profile with your suggestion then?

It's locked but yeah. I just need Yhwach and Aizen unlocked to ensure they were properly revised so we don't get comments about it lol

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

There's a few more left to be updated in the post above, it seems.

Ahem, mind reopening the two nova mentioned?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Ahem, mind reopening the two nova mentioned?

Also Ichigo Post-Time Skip I just realised I forgot the + for the rating lmao (He's supposed to be Solar System+ since 10.1 TeraFoe is just barely into Solar System+ cause it's like 10.045 TeraFoe or something) I was just editing my Bleach scaling notes when I realised this

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Following

 

[Damage3245]

I've unlocked Yhwach, Aizen and Post-Timeskip Ichigo.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Ahem, mind reopening the two nova mentioned?

Yeah,i mean after fixing that sorta stuff.

I finished with the three pages, can you guys check to see if there's any problems before we close it?

The 3.376 ExaFoe is from 16.88 ExaFoe/5, as Yhwach now scales to Ichigo in base for his general rating, so his Blut is now 5x. The alternative is that we change Yhwach back to 1.688 ExaFoe and change both Royd and Yhwach's Blut to 10x, which will buff Yamamoto and Ichigo as Royd and Yamamoto will now be 997.875 Exatons with Blut/Full Power Bankai and Ichigo and Yhwach would become 1.3305 Zettatons with Blut. None of these changes will change Tier (or Tier), but it's a fairly big change.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I mean, it should be obvious that Yhwach's Blut is max 10. Cus didn't one of the Anime say that Blut gives more power the stronger the Quincy is?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

if you are downscaling from blut it's divided by 10, if you're upscaling from blut it's multiplied by 5, that's how it's done here to be conservative

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I mean, it should be obvious that Yhwach's Blut is max 10. Cus didn't one of the Anime say that Blut gives more power the stronger the Quincy is?

I mean, the way we scale multiplers with the 5-10x multiplication such as Blut (and yes, I hate it too) is that any feat done by base is multiplied by at least 5x while any feat done while they're in Blut is downscaled by at most 10x, to represent the lowest value. The problem with Yhwach is that he has a possibly 16.88 Exafoe in Blut and a 133.05 Exaton in base, which creates this weird kind of scaling where we're suppose to assume 10x, but also 5x, so for consistency, we need one. I chose 5x, but if others want 10x, I will change them to 10x.

 

[Apotheosis69]

It's def safe to put it as 10x

 

[DragoZeroNova]

If Crow and Ghost think 10x makes more sense, I'll go with 10x and re-update Ichigo and Yhwach (As I personally don't care too much)

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Okay, I've changed Ichigo and Yhwach to 10x. When editing Yamamoto and Royd, please remember that their 498.9375 Exatons is now 997.875 Exatons for both AP and Durability.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Oh yeah what about Pernida and Nemu. Due their scaling with Zaraki

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Oh yeah what about Pernida and Nemu. Due their scaling with Zaraki

Completely forgot they existed. I'll do them real quick.
Edit: Both are done and I also finished Unohana.
Yamamoto, Royd, Quilge, Gremmy, Toshiro and Gerard have yet to be done

 

[Dalesean027]

let me know when this is done and i can close it

 

[SilentBob34]

Completely forgot they existed. I'll do them real quick.
Edit: Both are done and I also finished Unohana.
Yamamoto, Royd, Quilge, Gremmy, Toshiro and Gerard have yet to be done

My dude, did you completely ignore Yama again? Why is he the only one at a solid 4A rating for all his stats when a 70% version of Yhwach could tussle with him with his bare hands? If the actual Yhwach only has a 5C rating for his base form, Yama should automatically scale due to not being able to fight against a 70% version and win until he used his Bankai

 

[SilentBob34]

let me know when this is done and i can close it

Until this blatant Yama wank is addressed we shouldn’t close it

 

[Dalesean027]

My dude, did you completely ignore Yama again? Why is he the only one at a solid 4A rating for all his stats when a 70% version of Yhwach could tussle with him with his bare hands? If the actual Yhwach only has a 5C rating for his base form, Yama should automatically scale due to not being able to fight against a 70% version and win until he used his Bankai

Until this blatant Yama wank is addressed we shouldn’t close it

Dude Yamato's page hasn't even been edited yet with this revisions changes so what are ya on about, his 4-A is from back of March this year not this revision meaning it still needs edits down to the current tiers. Please make sure you're properly checking pages and their histories before you make comments like this and accuse people of wank.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I literally said in my comment he wasn't done yet...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Gremmy, Gerard and Toshiro done, Nova, would you please do Yamamoto and Royd?, I'd do it but I'm not exactly sure about the Quilge stuff

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Gremmy, Gerard and Toshiro done, Nova, would you please do Yamamoto and Royd?, I'd do it but I'm not exactly sure about the Quilge stuff

I'll do it at some point, I'm going to be a bit busy today and tomorrow, but sure