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[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Big Chill​

Big Chill is probably the first alien to achieve something of this magnitude. He was able to freeze the extra-dimensional drill that was breaking through the dimensional barrier. That in itself is not enough to level up, what really levels up is the force generated by it. According to an extra in the episode “Voided,” when the drill opened the way to the normal world, the Null Void dimension would be destroyed in the process. The force was so great that Max recognized that it was faster than expected.


The Null Void, as we know, is infinite in size.

This CRT is to upgrade the durability of Big Chill's ice to high 3-A.

Agree: @ZeddKD @Simsalamim @GeneralSol16 @Quang230
Disagrees: @Firestorm808 @Mythic381 @Apollonir.Scale @Ghengiroo115 @TheOrangeGuy09
Neutral:

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Okay and? What do you want to do with this?

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Okay and? What do you want to do with this?

Up the durability of the ice to high 3-A

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Would like to point out it's a bit redundant to link 4 separate points when they all point towards the exact same compiled 5 clips.

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Would like to point out it's a bit redundant to link 4 separate points when they all point towards the exact same compiled 5 clips.

I thought they would complain about the lack of a link.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I thought they would complain about the lack of a link.

Well you could've simply either re-structured it around one link or had each one separated for each singular point

 

[Lort15]

Following

 

[GeneralSol16]

Technically it would be L2C, since the Null Void and every other Dimension in B10 are accepted as a space time continoum inside a timeline.

Anyways, following this.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Needs to prove that time get affect not just space

The entire dimension was being destroyed, every time they refer to a dimension it's about the entirety of it. It's like saying "an entire house got destroyed, but you need to prove that their furniture got destroyed as well"

It's implicit, at least in the verse.

 

[ZeddKD]

Following, I agree

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

The entire dimension was being destroyed, every time they refer to a dimension it's about the entirety of it. It's like saying "an entire house got destroyed, but you need to prove that their furniture got destroyed as well"

It's implicit, at least in the verse.

So, do you agree?

 

[GeneralSol16]

So, do you agree?

I don't disagree.

But if we are doing this for real, we need some supportive feats from other characters, since a lot can shatter Ben's ice constructs.

 

[Lort15]

Low 2-C Ben 10 is Real?!

 

[Simsalamim]

Didnt is mean any alien should be high 3-A cuz they can damage each other

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

I don't disagree.

But if we are doing this for real, we need some supportive feats from other characters, since a lot can shatter Ben's ice constructs.

I understand your point, the original plan was to do a complete CRT so that everyone could get a higher tier, but I ended up sending it ahead of time. However, I'll send a little bit to see if it helps. In the novelization of Ben 10 Ultimate Alien, it is said that the entropy pump was beginning to destroy reality. Here and here, Humungousaur was able to stop the explosion with a punch. This may seem somewhat contradictory to what the paradox said, but it is worth remembering that the paradox statement only specified it as active, not at maximum potential, so much so that in the script after destroying the portal, it is revealed that the energy was growing. We can take the scene from Feedback managing to contain the Big Bang with his hands. it's okay that he used absorption and had help from the alien X, but it's still a good feat to sustain the Big Chill's feat.

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Didnt is mean any alien should be high 3-A cuz they can damage each other

For them to be able to hurt each other, they need to have a similar level of power. Otherwise, when they strike, they won't hurt the other person and will probably lose the limb responsible for executing the strike, something like that.

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Low 2-C Ben 10 is Real?!

Yes.

 

[Simsalamim]

For them to be able to hurt each other, they need to have a similar level of power. Otherwise, when they strike, they won't hurt the other person and will probably lose the limb responsible for executing the strike, something like that.

Then, didnt evryone scale to 1-B cuz they didnt died from Anihilarg and keep it in hands?

 

[Simsalamim]

For them to be able to hurt each other, they need to have a similar level of power. Otherwise, when they strike, they won't hurt the other person and will probably lose the limb responsible for executing the strike, something like that.

And im not disagee, im agree i think. Just littlenstrange waybof scale

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

And im not disagee, im agree i think. Just littlenstrange waybof scale

I understand you find it strange but it is logical because if not they can not hurt each other mainly in Ben 10, where most of the planet-level feats are coming from other aliens and only a single feat that sustains the multi-system tier of the inner verse, then everyone will have to become high 3-A low or high-scale.

 

[Firestorm808]

I don't see how Big Chill would scale to the dimensional destruction by just affecting the Drill.

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Then, didnt evryone scale to 1-B cuz they didnt died from Anihilarg and keep it in hands?

The Omnitrix has instantaneous speed according to the pop-ups. What we see on screen is the transformation in slow motion, meaning they did not hold the Big Bang for an inexistent amount of time, since the Omnitrix demonstrated that it reacted to the Big Bang that created space-time, meaning immeasurable speed. I hope I have helped with your question.

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

I don't see how Big Chill would scale to the dimensional destruction by just affecting the Drill.

The drill itself was generating the force necessary to destroy the dimension. The mere fact that the ice had the durability to resist this force and still freeze it while the drill was moving proves that the durability of the ice is greater than the force generated by the drill.

 

[Firestorm808]

The drill itself was generating the force necessary to destroy the dimension. The mere fact that the ice had the durability to resist this force and still freeze it while the drill was moving proves that the durability of the ice is greater than the force generated by the drill.

To reiterate, the drill itself isn't destroying the dimension. The destabilization after drilling a hole is like a house of cards or domino effect. The drill itself isn't 3-A.

Let's look at the Kormite Drill. Kormite burns at the bottom to power whatever tech the drill is. Big Chill freezes the burning Kormite. It is more likely that stopping the burning Kormite and freezing the machine shut off the drill than Big Chill directly opposing the drilling force.

Big Chill would only scale to the force of the drill if he directly stopped the drill while the Kormite was still burning. IE: Kormite Drill VS Ice Shield or something.

 

[Simsalamim]

The Omnitrix has instantaneous speed according to the pop-ups. What we see on screen is the transformation in slow motion, meaning they did not hold the Big Bang for an inexistent amount of time, since the Omnitrix demonstrated that it reacted to the Big Bang that created space-time, meaning immeasurable speed. I hope I have helped with your question.

But Rook reacted to Ben's transformation; he saw the shapeshifting. We're not going to tell you that Rook is also faster than space and time, are we?

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

To reiterate, the drill itself isn't destroying the dimension. The destabilization after drilling a hole is like a house of cards or domino effect. The drill itself isn't 3-A.

Let's look at the Kormite Drill. Kormite burns at the bottom to power whatever tech the drill is. Big Chill freezes the burning Kormite. It is more likely that stopping the burning Kormite and freezing the machine shut off the drill than Big Chill directly opposing the drilling force.

Big Chill would only scale to the force of the drill if he directly stopped the drill while the Kormite was still burning. IE: Kormite Drill VS Ice Shield or something.

Ben said that the dimension was being disintegrated, and as we know, disintegration means destruction, so destabilization already implies the destruction of the dimension, and as we saw, the cause of this destruction was the drill, which had the power to accomplish this feat.

The machine was still running when Big Chill removed its power source, so much so that the drill can still be seen spinning before it freezes. A blue light covers everything, and soon after, the climate changes. After all this, the drill can be seen completely frozen, so yes, the feat must be scaled.

The ice proved to be stronger than the force generated by the drill. Characters such as Kraab managed to destroy Big Chill's ice. Sure, the ice was damaged, but it's still a good achievement. Kraab injured Big Chill, so he must be scaled.

 

[OrangeFR]

Thought this CRT was about Chill Bill from Skylanders at first

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

Thought this CRT was about Chill Bill from Skylanders at first

 

[Scarlet_Kaiser]

But Rook reacted to Ben's transformation; he saw the shapeshifting. We're not going to tell you that Rook is also faster than space and time, are we?

Sorry, but I think you're seeing things a bit blurry. Rook didn't react to that.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Then, didnt evryone scale to 1-B cuz they didnt died from Anihilarg and keep it in hands?

That will be soon covered and explained in future threads.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Bump.

 

[Quang230]

Ben said that the dimension was being disintegrated, and as we know, disintegration means destruction, so destabilization already implies the destruction of the dimension, and as we saw, the cause of this destruction was the drill, which had the power to accomplish this feat.

The machine was still running when Big Chill removed its power source, so much so that the drill can still be seen spinning before it freezes. A blue light covers everything, and soon after, the climate changes. After all this, the drill can be seen completely frozen, so yes, the feat must be scaled.

The ice proved to be stronger than the force generated by the drill. Characters such as Kraab managed to destroy Big Chill's ice. Sure, the ice was damaged, but it's still a good achievement. Kraab injured Big Chill, so he must be scaled.

I agree with this, the light of the kornite can still be see when the drill get freeze so it still fully work when the ice start cover the drill and the hard of Big Chill completely stop the drill instantly

 

[Quang230]

Bump, anyone there

 

[Mythic381]

Ben said that the dimension was being disintegrated, and as we know, disintegration means destruction, so destabilization already implies the destruction of the dimension, and as we saw, the cause of this destruction was the drill, which had the power to accomplish this feat.

The machine was still running when Big Chill removed its power source, so much so that the drill can still be seen spinning before it freezes. A blue light covers everything, and soon after, the climate changes. After all this, the drill can be seen completely frozen, so yes, the feat must be scaled.

The ice proved to be stronger than the force generated by the drill. Characters such as Kraab managed to destroy Big Chill's ice. Sure, the ice was damaged, but it's still a good achievement. Kraab injured Big Chill, so he must be scaled.

You kind of repeated the same argument, it seems to me like all it genuinely does is the destabilization happening via drilling a hole is simply causing a chain reaction, not that the drill itself was causing the destruction.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

This feat was mentioned in a CRT about a year ago, and I've never understood it since.

Destroying a weapon's bullet and destroying the weapon itself are two different things. The size of the drill doesn't affect its destructive power. It seems to hinder the drill's ability to function.

Also, this could simply be the drill's hax. For example, in YYH, Kuwabara had a sword that could cut through spacetime, but this wasn't interpreted as a result of his power, but rather as the sword's inherent hax. It could be a drill with a low 2-C hax. After all, technology is very advanced in the Ben 10 series, so it's not impossible.

Also, there are many contradictions in Ben 10 episodes that don't align with each other. The events in this episode don't significantly impact the subsequent story. The information that the Plumber Kids met Grandpa Max influences the subsequent episodes. DR. The next time we see Animo, the events of this episode don't even come up.

 

[GeneralSol16]

The events in this episode don't significantly impact the subsequent story. The information that the Plumber Kids met Grandpa Max influences the subsequent episodes. DR. The next time we see Animo, the events of this episode don't even come up.

What kind of argument is this? The episode wasn't decanonized as you're implying, this still happened in he continuity.
It was even brought up by Max at the end of the season when they fought the Highbreeds, and it is mentioned in a few guide books of the series.

IDC if this gets or not accepted, but this argument is just nothing.

 

[Mythic381]

Neutral: @Firestorm808

Also didn't Firestorm disagree? Why is he on neutral and why isn't there a disagree section?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

It was even brought up by Max at the end of the season when they fought the Highbreeds, and it is mentioned in a few guide books of the series.

I remembered this now that you wrote it. Max was coming to say he was done with Null Void.

We've seen examples of some events from previous chapters being forgotten/ignored with the new chapters in the story. So I thought this might be the case for this chapter as well.

 

[Firestorm808]

Ben said that the dimension was being disintegrated, and as we know, disintegration means destruction, so destabilization already implies the destruction of the dimension, and as we saw, the cause of this destruction was the drill, which had the power to accomplish this feat.

The machine was still running when Big Chill removed its power source, so much so that the drill can still be seen spinning before it freezes. A blue light covers everything, and soon after, the climate changes. After all this, the drill can be seen completely frozen, so yes, the feat must be scaled.

The ice proved to be stronger than the force generated by the drill. Characters such as Kraab managed to destroy Big Chill's ice. Sure, the ice was damaged, but it's still a good achievement. Kraab injured Big Chill, so he must be scaled.

I still disagree.

The scripts:
Alien: This entire dimension is becoming destabilized.
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Uh, Mr. Wrench, I don't mean to get in the middle of your war, but this whole dimension is destabilizing
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Manny: D'void burns the cormite in this furnace, which feeds his dimensional bore, which is literally ripping a hole in the barrier between the two dimensions.
#
Animo: It's a shame to have to end this, but I've almost drilled through the dimensional wall, and I have a whole planet to conquer.

The AP needed to over time drill through the dimensional wall and the energy to immediately destroy a dimension in an explosion are two different things. I again refer to my chain reaction example. The former would be an unknown value but still less than the latter.

 

[Firestorm808]

Why is human Ben scaling relevant to this thread?