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CW Flash Revision

There is also in Armageddon part 2 Alex from Supergirl notes that despero is more powerful than any foe Supergirl has faced and catlin states a moment later he has a physiology that rivals kryptonians. Since i couldn't find a video this happens around 3 miniutes into the episode.
Alex didn’t said more powerful, she said he is a greater threat. And the reason Alex said that wasn't because of Despero's power, but simply because he managed to off their radar. And the reason Despero wasn't detected on radar was that he had come from the future.
Yes, in part 1 they even compare Despero to Fuerza.
The person who compared Despero to Fuerza was Chester, but Chester never fought either Fuerza or Despero, nor did he test Despero's strength. Therefore, Chester's statement is not a reliable or solid statement.
 
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The person who compared Despero to Fuerza was Chester, but Chester never fought either Fuerza or Despero, nor did he test Despero's strength. Therefore, Chester's statement is not a reliable or solid statement.
That's really not a reason to dismiss the statement considering Chester is litterally the analysis guy of the team Flash. He doesn't need to fight someone to have knowledge about them.
The Forces were stronger than anyone or anything Barry had to fight up to S7.
Anyways these i couldn't find a source for, tho the Forces statement was already in the season.
 
That's really not a reason to dismiss the statement considering Chester is litterally the analysis guy of the team Flash. He doesn't need to fight someone to have knowledge about them.
Chester did not analyze Despero before making this statement. Nor did he research Despero or have any prior knowledge about him. Chester has no idea how powerful Despro is. Therefore, he is unreliable and this is unusable.
 
Chester did not analyze Despero before making this statement. Nor did he research Despero or have any prior knowledge about him. Chester has no idea how powerful Despro is. Therefore, he is unreliable and this is unusable.
This is just wrong, not only he scanned Despero with something called energy scanner, he also litterally witnessed Flash's fight with Despero firsthand.
 
This is just wrong, not only he scanned Despero with something called energy scanner, he also litterally witnessed Flash's fight with Despero firsthand.
He scanned not Despero, but the technology Despero possessed—they are two different things.

And Chester witnessing Flash and Despro's fight does not make his statement a reliable one.

During the fight, Despero didn't cause any earthquakes or destruction. He didn't even damage Flash. He only knocked Flash away with a shockwave once, and punched him a few meters away. Nothing in the fight showed Chester how powerful Despero was. That's why Chester's statement isn't reliable.
 
He scanned not Despero, but the technology Despero possessed—they are two different things.

And Chester witnessing Flash and Despro's fight does not make his statement a reliable one.

During the fight, Despero didn't cause any earthquakes or destruction. He didn't even damage Flash. He only knocked Flash away with a shockwave once, and punched him a few meters away. Nothing in the fight showed Chester how powerful Despero was. That's why Chester's statement isn't reliable.
The scanners is litterally called energy scanner, he just only talked about his tech at that time and talked about his strength later in the star labs.

Chester just being a genius alone should make his statement reliable.

His performence against Flash litterally shows how strong he is, he doesn't need to cause destruction of sorts.
The writers clearly considers this statment to be reliable considering they support it by saying twice that Despero is above anyone else Flash faced.
 
The scanners is litterally called energy scanner, he just only talked about his tech at that time and talked about his strength later in the star labs.
It doesn't matter what the scanner is called; what matters is what it does. And Chester clearly stated that he was picking up serious advanced tech readings. So that device scans technology, not people.
Chester just being a genius alone should make his statement reliable.
You would be right if he were talking about a technology, but since he is talking about a subject he has no experience or knowledge of, you need more than him being a genius for his statement to be reliable.
His performence against Flash litterally shows how strong he is, he doesn't need to cause destruction of sorts.
Which performance are you talking about? He only hit Flash twice, and Flash didn't sustain any injuries after those two hits. When Flash faced Fuerza, even a single hit from Fuerza was made Barry worse.

Furthermore, during that fight, Flash didn't land a single blow on Despero.

So what Chester saw was an alien who intended to kill Flash hitting Flash twice, and Flash not being harmed by these attacks.

Additionally, Fuerza's scans are available at Starlabs. If Despero were at Fuerza's level, Caitlyn would compare Despero to Fuerza instead of the Kryptonians.
The writers clearly considers this statment to be reliable considering they support it by saying twice that Despero is above anyone else Flash faced.
Unless you claim that Despero is above the Anti-Monitor and therefore above The Spectre, and consequently that almost everyone is above the Anti-Monitor after the Crisis, the writers' statements are worthless.
 
It doesn't matter what the scanner is called; what matters is what it does. And Chester clearly stated that he was picking up serious advanced tech readings. So that device scans technology, not people.
An energy scanner would be able to do both scanning tech readings and scanning energy. This doesn't contridict anything, it makes no sense to think something called energy scanner to not be able to scan energy. But even if we say he only scanned his tech that could just mean the flame of pytar is as strong as fuerza, which is what powers Despero.
You would be right if he were talking about a technology, but since he is talking about a subject he has no experience or knowledge of, you need more than him being a genius for his statement to be reliable.
By the time of S8 he would have exp about that stuff.
Which performance are you talking about? He only hit Flash twice, and Flash didn't sustain any injuries after those two hits. When Flash faced Fuerza, even a single hit from Fuerza was made Barry worse.

Furthermore, during that fight, Flash didn't land a single blow on Despero.

So what Chester saw was an alien who intended to kill Flash hitting Flash twice, and Flash not being harmed by these attacks.

Additionally, Fuerza's scans are available at Starlabs. If Despero were at Fuerza's level, Caitlyn would compare Despero to Fuerza instead of the Kryptonians.
Lol you don't need to visibly harm your opponent to say you performed against them, do you think dceu Superman didnt perform good agains't the justice league just because they didn't recive visable injuries ? Despero's first shockwave attack send Flash flying and we are shown that he is not able to stand up from that attack for several seconds, his punch also sends him flying. The Flash that Despero fought is incomparably stronger than the Flash Fuerza fought, this is litterally the entire reason Armageddon happens.

This doesn't help your case, cause he got slapped the moment he tried to hit Despero.

What Chester saw was someone who send the Flash flying with a mere shockwave.

This is really not a counterpoint cause you can apply that to his everyone that has scans on star labs but anyways. Maybe because both are aliens that are super strong and shoot laser beams from their eyes🤔 Plus why would Caitlyn even compare him to fuerza when Chester already did that ?
Unless you claim that Despero is above the Anti-Monitor and therefore above The Spectre, and consequently that almost everyone is above the Anti-Monitor after the Crisis, the writers' statements are worthless.
Thats exactly what i'm claiming.
 
An energy scanner would be able to do both scanning tech readings and scanning energy. This doesn't contridict anything, it makes no sense to think something called energy scanner to not be able to scan energy.
It does not entirely no makesense for the name of a technological device to be different from what it does, because a device's name does not always have to correspond directly to what it does. For example: AirPods

The same applies here. Just because it's called an energy scanner doesn't mean it has to scans energy. Especially since Chester said he gets advanced tech readings, not energy readings.

Let's say it does scan energy. Chester didn't say he gets high amounts of energy readings; he said he gets advanced tech readings. There's nothing to indicate it scans Despero's energy.
But even if we say he only scanned his tech that could just mean the flame of pytar is as strong as fuerza, which is what powers Despero.
No. The technological belt Despero uses does not connect him to the Flame of Pytar or enable him to control it. Despero is naturally connected to the Flame of Pytar and draws his power from it.

The belt Despero uses only enables him to transform into human form, travel through time, and teleport.
By the time of S8 he would have exp about that stuff.
He has no knowledge or experience about Despero or its species.
Lol you don't need to visibly harm your opponent to say you performed against them,do you think dceu Superman didnt perform good agains't the justice league just because they didn't recive visable injuries ?
I didn’t said you need.
Despero's first shockwave attack send Flash flying and we are shown that he is not able to stand up from that attack for several seconds, his punch also sends him flying. The Flash that Despero fought is incomparably stronger than the Flash Fuerza fought, this is litterally the entire reason Armageddon happens
This doesn't help your case, cause he got slapped the moment he tried to hit Despero.
It does.
What Chester saw was someone who send the Flash flying with a mere shockwave.
Exacly. Chester saw that Despero's attacks only sent Flash flying away and did not cause any damage.
This is really not a counterpoint cause you can apply that to his everyone that has scans on star labs but anyways.
As you said, we can apply this to everyone, and that's what really makes this a good counterpoint.
Maybe because both are aliens that are super strong and shoot laser beams from their eyes🤔
Caitlyn compared Despero to the Kryptonians because their powers were rivals to each other. Not because both are aliens that are super strong and shoot laser beams from their eyes.

Maybe Chester compared Despero to Fuerza because both were monster-like creatures about 3-4 meters tall?
Plus why would Caitlyn even compare him to fuerza when Chester already did that ?
Because Caitlyn scanned Despero and learned how powerful he was, and she was telling the team what they know about Despero.


I'll explain it again for you.

Chester, who doesn't know what Despero is, who he is, doesn't know his species, has no knowledge of his power level, hasn't scanned his power, hasn't fought either him or Fuerza, hasn't seen Despero do the things Fuerza did, and has seen that Despero did't harm Flash as much as Fuerza did, compared Despero to Fuerza. Also, don't forget that the reason for this comparison might be that Despero and Fuerza are both 3-4 meter tall monster-like creatures.

Are you seriously going to say that Chester's statement is reliable in this situation?

On the other hand. We have a truly reliable statement about Despero's power.

Caitlyn, who had scanned Despero and learned his power level, who had encountered Kryptonians before, and who had scanned Fuerza, said that his power were at a level that could rival Kryptonians.
 
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It does not entirely no makesense for the name of a technological device to be different from what it does, because a device's name does not always have to correspond directly to what it does. For example: AirPods

The same applies here. Just because it's called an energy scanner doesn't mean it has to scans energy. Especially since Chester said he gets advanced tech readings, not energy readings.

Let's say it does scan energy. Chester didn't say he gets high amounts of energy readings; he said he gets advanced tech readings. There's nothing to indicate it scans Despero's energy.
No. The technological belt Despero uses does not connect him to the Flame of Pytar or enable him to control it. Despero is naturally connected to the Flame of Pytar and draws his power from it.

The belt Despero uses only enables him to transform into human form, travel through time, and teleport.
It doesn't always have to correspond to what it does, but most of the time it does.

Again none of these matter, just because Chester didn't say anything about his energy at that time doesn't mean a device called energy scanner didn't scan his energy at all. It's way less accurate to assume the device doesnt do what its name suggests then to assume it can scan several thing.

You're right about the Flame of Pytar thing tho.
He has no knowledge or experience about Despero or its species.
I meant that he has exp overall about these superhuman beings.
I didn’t said you need.
Exacly. Chester saw that Despero's attacks only sent Flash flying away and did not cause any damage.
Ok if you accept that you don't need to visibly damage someone to perform good against them, why are you even bringing it up ?
As you said, we can apply this to everyone, and that's what really makes this a good counterpoint.
Caitlyn compared Despero to the Kryptonians because their powers were rivals to each other. Not because both are aliens that are super strong and shoot laser beams from their eyes.

Maybe Chester compared Despero to Fuerza because both were monster-like creatures about 3-4 meters tall?
Alright then, Chester compared Despero to Fuerza because their strength was comparable 😊
Because Caitlyn scanned Despero and learned how powerful he was, and she was telling the team what they know about Despero.
Great, still doesnt make Chester statement invalid or unreliable.
I'll explain it again for you.

Chester, who doesn't know what Despero is, who he is, doesn't know his species, has no knowledge of his power level, hasn't scanned his power, hasn't fought either him or Fuerza, hasn't seen Despero do the things Fuerza did, and has seen that Despero did't harm Flash as much as Fuerza did, compared Despero to Fuerza. Also, don't forget that the reason for this comparison might be that Despero and Fuerza are both 3-4 meter tall monster-like creatures.

Are you seriously going to say that Chester's statement is reliable in this situation?

On the other hand. We have a truly reliable statement about Despero's power.

Caitlyn, who had scanned Despero and learned his power level, who had encountered Kryptonians before, and who had scanned Fuerza, said that his power were at a level that could rival Kryptonians.
None of these are really accurate besides Despero and Fuerza being similar in appearance. Yes, someone who has witnessed Flash fought multiple enemies would obviously be a reliable source, even in this situation.

Alrigth but when did i ever say that Caitlyn's statements weren't relaible ? You are using it to say Chester's wasn't but netiher statements contridict each other. I'll say this Chester's statement could be more of an eyeball and Caitlyn's statement could be more pracaise, while both statements still being accurate.

I'll repeat, the writers has clearly intended this statement to be true as evidenced by their intentions to make Despero this ultra powerfull guy thats above Flash's other enemies, now whatever you agree with these statement is up to you, you can count them as outliers, you can count Chester statement as an outlier, but to say his statement is invalid is not accurate in my opinion.
 
It doesn't always have to correspond to what it does, but most of the time it does.

Again none of these matter, just because Chester didn't say anything about his energy at that time doesn't mean a device called energy scanner didn't scan his energy at all. It's way less accurate to assume the device doesnt do what its name suggests then to assume it can scan several thing.
It is always best to make as few assumptions as possible.

We saw/were told that what the device does is read technology. This is not an assumption because this is what is on the screen.

On the other hand, it is an assumption to say that this device reads energy. Based on the name of the device, it is an assumption to say that it reads energy, which is something we didn't see.

Furthermore, let's assume that the device can read energy like technology. Chester didn't say anything about energy readings, he only mentioned technology readings. There is no evidence that Chester received energy readings as well as technology readings. To say that he received energy readings alongside technology readings in that scene is another assumption.

As in science, and as we do on Wiki, we always choose the option with the fewest assumptions, which is that it does not read energy.
I meant that he has exp overall about these superhuman beings.
It doesn't matter. He has never encountered Despero before, he has never encountered Despero's species before, he does not know the powers of this species.

We cannot accept his statement as true about the power of an entity he has never encountered before, whose name he has never even heard before, and whom he has never scanned before, simply because he has encountered superhuman beings before.
Ok if you accept that you don't need to visibly damage someone to perform good against them, why are you even bringing it up ?
Because you said that Chester saw Flash's fight with Despero and Flash's fight with Fuerza, and you used this an argumant for Chester's statement is reliable.

That's why I brought it up.

In the fight with Fuerza, Flash was thoroughly beaten, suffered physical harm, and in this situation, Fuerza had no intention whatsoever of killing Flash.

On the other hand, in the fight with Despero, Despero had the specific intention of killing Flash, and Flash was neither seriously beaten nor physically harmed in this fight.

This is like someone seeing Reign beat Supergirl to death and seriously injure her, then seeing Livewire send Supergirl flying with her attack and seeing that Supergirl didn't suffer any physical harm, and then that person saying Livewire hit her like Reign did.
Alright then, Chester compared Despero to Fuerza because their strength was comparable
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How can you say that? Chester doesn't know Despero's power. He doesn't have data to compare Despero's power to Fuerza's. But Caitlyn have.
Caitlyn: I ran a bio-scan on Despero.... He has strength and invulnerability that rivals Kryptonians.
Great, still doesnt make Chester statement invalid or unreliable.
It make Caitlyn's statement more reliable and more accurate than Chester's statement.
None of these are really accurate besides Despero and Fuerza being similar in appearance.
It is accurate
Yes, someone who has witnessed Flash fought multiple enemies would obviously be a reliable source, even in this situation.
Chester doesn't know Despero's power; he hasn't experienced it firsthand or scanned it. He doesn't have data to compare Despero's power to Fuerza's.

Chester knows nothing about Despero in this situation. The only thing he knows is that he possesses advanced technology and didn't seriously harm Barry.
Alrigth but when did i ever say that Caitlyn's statements weren't relaible ? You are using it to say Chester's wasn't but netiher statements contridict each other. I'll say this Chester's statement could be more of an eyeball and Caitlyn's statement could be more pracaise, while both statements still being accurate.
We have two statements: one from Chester, who compares Despero to Fuerza without any knowledge, and another from Caitlyn, who discovers Despero's power by scanning him and compares him to the Kryptonians.

The two statements give different levels of Despero's power. And the statement that gives a lower level comes after a biological scan.

How can you say that both statements are accurate when they say different things about same thing?
I'll repeat, the writers has clearly intended this statement to be true as evidenced by their intentions to make Despero this ultra powerfull guy thats above Flash's other enemies, now whatever you agree with these statement is up to you, you can count them as outliers, you can count Chester statement as an outlier, but to say his statement is invalid is not accurate in my opinion.
Not writers, but just one writer. Simply stating that all writers think the same based on the statement of a single writer is not very helpful, especially since we know that the team disagrees with Eric Wallace on many points regarding the writing.

Furthermore, if we are to delve into the writers' intentions, the statement comparing Despero to Fuerza came from a episode written by a single writer, but the statement comparing him to the Kryptonians came from a epsiode written by two different writers.

If we're going to read between the lines, I can say that most writers intend to place Despero at the level of the Kryptonians, not at the level of Fuerza, since they compare him to the Kryptonians.

The problem with intentions reading is that it's all speculation.
 
It is always best to make as few assumptions as possible.

We saw/were told that what the device does is read technology. This is not an assumption because this is what is on the screen.

On the other hand, it is an assumption to say that this device reads energy. Based on the name of the device, it is an assumption to say that it reads energy, which is something we didn't see.

Furthermore, let's assume that the device can read energy like technology. Chester didn't say anything about energy readings, he only mentioned technology readings. There is no evidence that Chester received energy readings as well as technology readings. To say that he received energy readings alongside technology readings in that scene is another assumption.

As in science, and as we do on Wiki, we always choose the option with the fewest assumptions, which is that it does not read energy.
The safest option here is to assume it can do both because it doesn't contridict what we are told/shown, but if we assume it doesn't actually read energy that would be contridicting information.
It doesn't matter. He has never encountered Despero before, he has never encountered Despero's species before, he does not know the powers of this species.

We cannot accept his statement as true about the power of an entity he has never encountered before, whose name he has never even heard before, and whom he has never scanned before, simply because he has encountered superhuman beings before.
We can cause we already know Chester is mostly a reliable source that has experience with dealing super-human beings.
Because you said that Chester saw Flash's fight with Despero and Flash's fight with Fuerza, and you used this an argumant for Chester's statement is reliable.

That's why I brought it up.

In the fight with Fuerza, Flash was thoroughly beaten, suffered physical harm, and in this situation, Fuerza had no intention whatsoever of killing Flash.

On the other hand, in the fight with Despero, Despero had the specific intention of killing Flash, and Flash was neither seriously beaten nor physically harmed in this fight.

This is like someone seeing Reign beat Supergirl to death and seriously injure her, then seeing Livewire send Supergirl flying with her attack and seeing that Supergirl didn't suffer any physical harm, and then that person saying Livewire hit her like Reign did.
I've already said this before, the Flash that fought Fuerza and the Flash that fought Despero are incomprable, and Chester knows this. Also i never said he saw Flash's fight with Fuerza nor did i say he compared that fight to this. He normally should just have knowladge about her strength levels and stuff.
How can you say that? Chester doesn't know Despero's power. He doesn't have data to compare Despero's power to Fuerza's. But Caitlyn have.
He does, thats why we are discussing.
It make Caitlyn's statement more reliable and more accurate than Chester's statement.
Chester doesn't know Despero's power; he hasn't experienced it firsthand or scanned it. He doesn't have data to compare Despero's power to Fuerza's.

Chester knows nothing about Despero in this situation. The only thing he knows is that he possesses advanced technology and didn't seriously harm Barry.
He litterally saw Flash's fight with him, if you see something happen with your own eyes that means you are a firsthand witness. Anyways something can still be accurate but not precise, that doesn't mean it's not true at all, it just means Caitlyn's statement is a bit more reliable compared to Chester's statement, however that does not make Chester's statement unreliable at all. It just means while Despero might not be straight up = to Fuerza it means he is really close, either above her and bellow her and Kryptonian are most certienly =~ Despero.
Not writers, but just one writer. Simply stating that all writers think the same based on the statement of a single writer is not very helpful, especially since we know that the team disagrees with Eric Wallace on many points regarding the writing.

Furthermore, if we are to delve into the writers' intentions, the statement comparing Despero to Fuerza came from a episode written by a single writer, but the statement comparing him to the Kryptonians came from a epsiode written by two different writers.

If we're going to read between the lines, I can say that most writers intend to place Despero at the level of the Kryptonians, not at the level of Fuerza, since they compare him to the Kryptonians.

The problem with intentions reading is that it's all speculation.
Ok but none of this actually disproves the idea that Despero is ~ to Fuerza, it just means writers also think that Despero is comparable to kryptonians.
This is just how scaling works, A character's strength is compared to B character, great that means A~~B, A characters strength is also compared to C chraceter, great then A~~C, which means we can conclude that A~~B~~C. Neither statements contridict each other, Caitlyn doesn't say "nuh uh Chester u were wrong Despero ain't even close to Fuerza's level he is only Kryptonian level" nor does Chester say the opposite. But even then Eric Wallace is the showrunner, he has the final say scripts, casting, story and ect. so not only his word would be more relevant than any other writers, that also means he saw Caitlyn's statement and he doesn't consider it to contridict anything he said prior, which is yeah, true.
 
The safest option here is to assume it can do both because it doesn't contridict what we are told/shown, but if we assume it doesn't actually read energy that would be contridicting information.

We can cause we already know Chester is mostly a reliable source that has experience with dealing super-human beings.

I've already said this before, the Flash that fought Fuerza and the Flash that fought Despero are incomprable, and Chester knows this. Also i never said he saw Flash's fight with Fuerza nor did i say he compared that fight to this. He normally should just have knowladge about her strength levels and stuff.

He does, thats why we are discussing.


He litterally saw Flash's fight with him, if you see something happen with your own eyes that means you are a firsthand witness. Anyways something can still be accurate but not precise, that doesn't mean it's not true at all, it just means Caitlyn's statement is a bit more reliable compared to Chester's statement, however that does not make Chester's statement unreliable at all. It just means while Despero might not be straight up = to Fuerza it means he is really close, either above her and bellow her and Kryptonian are most certienly =~ Despero.

Ok but none of this actually disproves the idea that Despero is ~ to Fuerza, it just means writers also think that Despero is comparable to kryptonians.
This is just how scaling works, A character's strength is compared to B character, great that means A~~B, A characters strength is also compared to C chraceter, great then A~~C, which means we can conclude that A~~B~~C. Neither statements contridict each other, Caitlyn doesn't say "nuh uh Chester u were wrong Despero ain't even close to Fuerza's level he is only Kryptonian level" nor does Chester say the opposite. But even then Eric Wallace is the showrunner, he has the final say scripts, casting, story and ect. so not only his word would be more relevant than any other writers, that also means he saw Caitlyn's statement and he doesn't consider it to contridict anything he said prior, which is yeah, true.
I won't discuss it any further.
 
I finished watching Arrow. Now I'm going to calculate the feats I found and start watching Legends of Tomorrow.
actually Goated, I think I’m just behind you on Arrow

If you had Discord I’d love to run some things by you for potential scaling?
 
Nora's and Godspeed's this feat needs to be calculated. Is there anyone who can and want to calculate it?
From the episode
Media, the satellites.

Nora, we're gonna use the satellites' electromagnetic radiation to break the V-9 bonds. Flood Godspeed with anti-endorphins.

Neutralizing the V-9 instantly.

Exactly, but here's the thing. Those satellites recalibrate on the hour emitting very short bursts of microwave energy.
Going off how much slower they are compared to the microwave energy, it looks like a high-end Sub-Rel showing.
 
Can somebody summarise what exactly that our staff members currently need to evaluate here, and also list which ones that have helped out here previously, please? 🙏
 
Can somebody summarise what exactly that our staff members currently need to evaluate here, and also list which ones that have helped out here previously, please? 🙏
They don't need to evaluate anything right now.

What needs to be done in here is- based on what has been accepted and discussed so far-to gather the updated profiles of the characters in a sandbox and open a new CRT. And I am handling this.
 
Okay. That seems good. Should we close this thread then? 🙏
 
Slowly. In addition to this sandbox, I'm working on the cosmology and canon page, the verse page, a big Hax CRT, and a Buffyverse revision, so progress is quite slow.
I know this was discussed before but isn't there a argument about the race feat in season 2 reaching 2-A? As in season 2 they state that Zoom was going to destroy atleast infinite earths or atleast High 3-A? I also rewatched the crisis on infinite earths and it was a Flash who powered he anti-matter cannon the same thing which actually destroyed the multiverse.

I read though and it seems like the discussion was that there was alot of anti-feats but Flash nor any other character seems to be able to control how much speedforce energy they use and most times he losses against the plot rather than lack of attack potency.
 
I know this was discussed before but isn't there a argument about the race feat in season 2 reaching 2-A?
Yes there were a multiple discusses about this but each one rejected.
As in season 2 they state that Zoom was going to destroy atleast infinite earths or atleast High 3-A?
Wells said planets not earths. So this is a High 3-A feat.
I also rewatched the crisis on infinite earths and it was a Flash who powered he anti-matter cannon the same thing which actually destroyed the multiverse.
Massive Outlier
I read though and it seems like the discussion was that there was alot of anti-feats
This was one of the counterarguments. Another was that they achieved this feat not by using their own power, but by using a machine to amplify the energy they generated.

Another argument was that Pulsar had not yet reached this energy level, and another was that the Time Remnant had not produced the energy to match Pulsar and had only disrupted its phase.
Flash nor any other character seems to be able to control how much speedforce energy they use
They can control how much Speed Force energy they use.
most times he losses against the plot rather than lack of attack potency.
Yes, and we accept this, and we gave Flash tier 8, tier 7, and tier 6 upgrades. There are very few Tier 3 or Tier 2 feats, and most of those are inconsistent with what shown and an outlier and, due to the scaling at the verse level, bring most characters up to these levels, and these characters are clearly not at this level.
 
Yes, and we accept this, and we gave Flash tier 8, tier 7, and tier 6 upgrades. There are very few Tier 3 or Tier 2 feats, and most of those are inconsistent with what shown and an outlier and, due to the scaling at the verse level, bring most characters up to these levels, and these characters are clearly not at this level.
I mean in the end season like season 7 and above most feats are alot higher than anything tier 7 and alot above tier 6 aswell so couldn't it be explained that after like season 8 he increased in power and reached up to the tier 3-2 tiers. Not only is the feats higher but he also has less overall screen time meaning less anti-feats.
 
I mean in the end season like season 7 and above most feats are alot higher than anything tier 7 and alot above tier 6 aswell so couldn't it be explained that after like season 8 he increased in power and reached up to the tier 3-2 tiers. Not only is the feats higher but he also has less overall screen time meaning less anti-feats.
If there were tier 3-tier 2 feats available, you could have scaled season 7-9 season's Flash, but most of the feats that appear to be tier 3 and tier 2 are not actually at that level. And for truly impressive feats, such as the Big Bang Tornado, we don't actually have a value that we can scale to.
I think him at season 9 should at least be above dceu flash.
Personally, I think he is at least way above the DCEU Flash since season 7. But we can't get that accepted here.
 
Personally, I think he is at least way above the DCEU Flash since season 7. But we can't get that accepted here.
Why not? Oliver, a omniscient being calls him the most impressive Flash in the multiverse and when The Speed Force was in danger it didn’t run to any other speedster to keep it safe, just CW Barry. I think it can get accepted as a possibly raiting.
 
Why not? Oliver, a omniscient being calls him the most impressive Flash in the multiverse
I brought this up before, and ByAsura said that calling him most impressive was insufficient for scaling.
and when The Speed Force was in danger it didn’t run to any other speedster to keep it safe, just CW Barry.
The counterargument is that this Flash had previously interacted with the Speed Force, and since the Speed Force regularly visited this Flash and his family, it went to the speedster it knew and trusted best.
I think it can get accepted as a possibly raiting.
I doubt that even a possible rating would be accepted on Wiki. CW Flash acting as a sort of avatar for the Speed Force could support scaling, but not to an acceptable degree.

However, this revision must be completed before a CRT for to scale CW Flash to DCEU Flash.
 
If there were tier 3-tier 2 feats available, you could have scaled season 7-9 season's Flash, but most of the feats that appear to be tier 3 and tier 2 are not actually at that level. And for truly impressive feats, such as the Big Bang Tornado, we don't actually have a value that we can scale to.
The crisis feat was done via a treadmill could this be added as a amp key saying something like " via treadmill" or adding it to the "by running over time" which already exist in his profile insted?

There is also this statment from the Speedforce:

If Barry dies, the timeline will be erased
 
The crisis feat was done via a treadmill could this be added as a amp key saying something like " via treadmill" or adding it to the "by running over time" which already exist in his profile insted?
When you say “The Crisis feat,” are you referring to Earth 90 Flash giving power to the Anti-Matter canon or destroying it? I'll answer for both.
  • Earth 90 Flash powering the Anti-Matter canon is clearly an outlier. Earth 90 Flash isn't even close to the main Barry's power level, and he has no other feats at that level. And there's nothing to indicate that the treadmill gives any amp. Furthermore, even if the treadmill had given Earth 90 Flash any amp, the main Barry wouldn't have scaled to it.
  • Earth 90 Flash did not destroy the Anti-Matter cannon by producing energy at a level that would match or exceed canon's. All he did was run backwards on the treadmill to make the Anti-Matter wave turn back to the cannon and cause it to destroy itself, and even that led to his death.
There is also this statment from the Speedforce:
It had more to do with Barry's position than with Barry's power. Additionally, speeders already have Low 2-C ED because they caused the timelines to destroyed.
 
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