Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Loetkolben16]

That's not what it's going for, pretty sure fuse is very consistent,

Fuse is not consistent at all. He writes down too much bullshit for that.

Rimuru most likely is his clone or has something to do with God or he was created by Veldanava, idk could be something

Perhaps him being kind of a experiment to see what happens when a true dragon is born without any strenght or knowlegde about it, could be a bit of an interesting twist, but I more so hope that it doesn't have anything to do with Rimuru.

That Velzard just tells him about Veldanava's plan to find a new "god of creation", within said creation.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

So why doesn't Rimuru have existence erasure in his Demon Lord key ?

Either it is not accepted, or I am misremembering.

And I'm also talking about deconstruction because Mariabell will say after the feat that it was decomposed, and decomposition is not EE, that's why I think that.

Don't remember her saying anything like that tbh

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

So why doesn't Rimuru have existence erasure in his Demon Lord key ?

And I'm also talking about deconstruction because Mariabell will say after the feat that it was decomposed, and decomposition is not EE, that's why I think that.

found this while searching for the statement.

Holy Purification Barrier’—the ultimate skill against monsters, the strongest ‘Killing Barrier.’ Mariabell had prepared meticulously and arranged ‘Blood Shadows’ hiding on the outskirts of the castle

This may grant Mariabell all the abilities listed under the Holy Field.

At the same time, she gave the order through ‘Magic Communication.’

And Telepathy

 

[AlexSamDen]

This may grant Mariabell all the abilities listed under the Holy Field.

May only be for her subordinates. It was deduced from them that she had connections with the church

And Telepathy

Written down, will add in part 2 of my CRT

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Random idea cuz I'm bored
Web Novel version

Imaginary Number Space would give a +1-Dimensional minimum to even a single Parallel World in the WN. Chloe's ability isn't about creating an imaginary Number Space but controlling pre-existing things.

There's also the 4th Spatial Dimension (per what Fuse said) that Spatial Transfer (not Movement) users use. Since you can't just travel to another world via normal Spatial Travel abilities, this 4th Dimension is unique to each Dimension.

There's the Hyper Space-Time attack from Dagruel, yet even that is limited to a single Timeline in Destructive Capacity since it's far below Yuuki still.

There's Fuse saying he didn't follow/expand on Attractor Field Theory in WN while saying how different futures exist in different world-lines, so all timelines physically and separately exist.

There's Reading Steiner and World-Line Volatilities (to show how different one World-Line is from another) but both of those abilities are tied to an uncountably infinite amount of timelines (or specifically the amount that can be denoted on a scale from 0% to 100%, including decimal figures.

There's Rimuru's own Imaginary Number Space that can fit infinitely many worlds.

Rimuru's stomach (Beelzebuth) is, in a sense, also an Imaginary Number Space that is Infinite (though not as much as Azathoth's)

I'm not sure if Super Gravity necessitating 4-D space is a thing in vsbw but eh, it's a phenomena caused by Gravity Collapse.

Turn Null's actual and literal translation is "Collapse of Nothingness", an absolute Collapse-factor energy (energy that can Collapse absolutely anything?)

Turn Null was called an ability "Beyond-Hierarchial Dimensions". 超位次元 where 超 (cho) means Super/Beyond, 位 (i) means Rank/Order/Hierarchy and 次元 (jigen) obviously for Dimensions. Note, if anyone thinks this is a repeat of Broly thingy, that was 超次元, no "Hierarchy/rank" involved.

(Note that these meanings are from good old gpt and may change in staff translation).

Now I have something to do, so cyall next time whenever am bored ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[K'rimuru]

Idée aléatoire parce que je m'ennuie
Version Web Novel










(Notez que ces significations proviennent du bon vieux gpt et peuvent changer dans la traduction du personnel).

Maintenant, j'ai quelque chose à faire, alors à bientôt la prochaine fois quand je m'ennuie ¯⁠\⁠ ⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠ ⁠/⁠¯

(⁠＾⁠3⁠＾⁠♪

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

May only be for her subordinates. It was deduced from them that she had connections with the church

Just as Raphael-san predicted, Mariabell had prepared a ‘Holy Purification Barrier.’ Granbell used to be the head of the Western Holy Church, we expected that she would inherit his technique. And it went as we predicted.

Well, this says that she inherited the technique, and I likely can’t remember the statement saying it was cast or prepared by her subordinates instead of her. Can you provide the scan or the chapter (volume) that states this?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Because Rimuru being Veldanava all along would be a dog shit decision.

Not only was it contradicted by multiple other characters, it would also completely discredit all of Rimuru's achievements.

Fuse already said Rimuru isn't Veldanava lol
Also Velgrynd would otherwise recognize Veldanava's dragon factor

 

[AlexSamDen]

Well, this says that she inherited the technique, and I likely can’t remember the statement saying it was cast or prepared by her subordinates instead of her. Can you provide the scan or the chapter (volume) that states this?

Well, I do think that "inherited" may qualify to give it to her, but at that time it was by her subordinates

‘Holy Purification Barrier’—the ultimate skill against monsters, the strongest ‘Killing Barrier.’ Mariabell had prepared meticulously and arranged ‘Blood Shadows’ hiding on the outskirts of the castle.

 

[Loetkolben16]

Fuse already said Rimuru isn't Veldanava lol
Also Velgrynd would otherwise recognize Veldanava's dragon factor

I have a hard time trusting Fuse, as he's excellent at ******* prior established stuff up, like Imaginary Collapse being Rimuru's td magic.

 

[Ultimuru]

Random idea cuz I'm bored
Web Novel version










(Note that these meanings are from good old gpt and may change in staff translation).

Now I have something to do, so cyall next time whenever am bored ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

Heh. So even our superdimension solos DB's superdimension. Predictable.

 

[Mizuki67]

I have a hard time trusting Fuse, as he's excellent at ******* prior established stuff up, like Imaginary Collapse being Rimuru's td magic.

He never said only rimuru could use it?
He said he got it from his imaginary space
Which is true lol, stop making fuse sound like a bad author just because he didn't change every single thing about the WN

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Well, I do think that "inherited" may qualify to give it to her, but at that time it was by her subordinates

Yeah, I think she should get it anyway.

 

[Loetkolben16]

He never said only rimuru could use it?
He said he got it from his imaginary space
Which is true lol, stop making fuse sound like a bad author just because he didn't change every single thing about the WN

Imaginary collapse gets stored in the imaginary space. But that's it.
An it's really simple. Rimuru is a true dragon. Every true dragon has a true dragon magic unique to them, only being usable to others as a weakend version through blessings, being inherited or due to getting a hold of their dragon factor.

Milim inherited Stardust from Veldanava with only her being able to use it. So one can reason that Stardust is Veldanava's td magic/energy. Imaginary Collapse only came into the picture when Rimuru became a true dragon, with only him being a user of it. So it made sense to reason that it was his td magic/energy.

But now that Fuse thought it would be brilliant idea to copy and paste the volume 21 epilouge from the web novel basically one to one, we now have a second user of imaginary collapse, who lost it due to being unable to store it, even though he himself also has a type of imaginary space accessable to him.

So either Veldanave is just able to use any and all td magic, which I find highly questionable or Rimuru does not have any kind of td magic, which would also be stupid.

And that's not even the only thing. I could also talk about his inconsistencies with speed, power or even character design.

 

[Violatas]

Speaking of the WN I have to ask, how's Yuuki as the main antagonist. Interesting or nah

 

[Community_Gamer]

Let's break it down
Firstly the idea of timelines is still all in whack
There are multiple worlds and they are multiple versions of those worlds. I and jozay created a Cosmology proving those are 2-A which means one world is a theoretical multiverse and then those other worlds experienced same thing as per volume 17 were Velgrynd said point A in time and point B in time can't overlap. Which means two different continuum. Initially theorised that she was talking about a point within the same timeline for coherence sake but she later sang about the whole concept of "possible worlds of the same world" in other words parallel dimensions, then yuuki in volume 22 i think also spoke on this and said he witnessed a world branch of

Not I agree with the interpretation of Velgrynd's statement being there's different timelines because in V17 she tells a Phantom that they should be able to sync timelines (refers to Cardinal World and alternate universe they are in) in reference to Velgrynd being from a point in time further in the future than the Phantom (in reference specifically to the Cardinal World).

I do think the limitation of not meeting past versions of oneself is referring to existing in the same space-time continuum not separate ones. The reason why I think this because if that weren't the case then Velgrynd would've gone to save Rudra or confront Feldway or find Masayuki earlier etc. But she can't exist in paradoxical manner much like how Chloe couldn't exist same capacity, in the same space-time as herself. I think that's fairly consistent.

Send the possible worlds/Many Worlds shit.

Now let's talk about subspace
Subspace is an all encompassing void, the proof is yuuki witnessed a branching universe so subspace is either of these options
1. An omni-verse = The totality of all multiverses (parallel dimensions), dimensions(different worlds), timelines, and metaphysical realms (spritual worlds and so on). Nothing exists beyond it.Grand, cosmic, “ultimate totality.”
2. Supercontinuum =A continuum beyond spacetime itself, where time and existence are fluid, looping, and nonlinear( we all know time in subspace is all whacky, one point is stopped and another point its looped).Philosophical, abstract.
3. Acausal Realm= A place where cause and effect do not apply. Time is not sequential; all possibilities coexist.Existential, eerie, Lovecraftian. Btw Velgrynd herself said it has 0 cause and effect
4. Great BeyondA poetic name for the origin field of all realities
So.....this is Low 1-A if we argue it in earnest
Time as a concept should even be Low 1-C

But which is the correct interpretation if any are at all?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Not I agree with the interpretation of Velgrynd's statement being there's different timelines because in V17 she tells a Phantom that they should be able to sync timelines (refers to Cardinal World and alternate universe they are in) in reference to Velgrynd being from a point in time further in the future than the Phantom (in reference specifically to the Cardinal World).

The Phantom is more so confused as to why Velgrynd is acting as her ememy even though the timeline the phantom originally came from had her as Feldway's/Michael's ally. This is mainly used to indicate the existence of different timelines, one where Velgrynd is Feldway's ally, the other where she isn't.

I do think the limitation of not meeting past versions of oneself is referring to existing in the same space-time continuum not separate ones. The reason why I think this because if that weren't the case then Velgrynd would've gone to save Rudra or confront Feldway or find Masayuki earlier etc. But she can't exist in paradoxical manner much like how Chloe couldn't exist same capacity, in the same space-time as herself. I think that's fairly consistent.

Pretty much, which we use to prove that Chloe only travels to separate timelines. Besides, Diablo said reversing time is impossible, so Hinata's theory which is apparently confirmed by Luminous doesn't make sense.

And we literally have Clayman's side story showing an alternate timeline's events...

But which is the correct interpretation if any are at all?

None. It's just a Void of Non- (negation) that contains all dimensions. A Void that Space, Time, Dimensions (up, down, left, right, etc.) yet is Infinite and incomprehensible, where Ramiris can insert any number of Dimensions (via Small World) given sufficient Magicules.

BDE3? Probably, but it's better to argue that for the World Gap given it has more context for such.

Laws encompass Subspace too given skills of a certain level work in subspace as well, so it's same to assume it's created by Veldanava as well. Skills that work on it are said to transcend all space, time and dimensions.

If it's just tier 1 in general, better to argue it with actually dimensional stuff; Imaginary Number Space, 4th Spatial Dimension, Hyper Space-Time attacks, Time travel to before retroactive destruction of space-time, etc.

 

[Mizuki67]

The Phantom is more so confused as to why Velgrynd is acting as her ememy even though the timeline the phantom originally came from had her as Feldway's/Michael's ally. This is mainly used to indicate the existence of different timelines, one where Velgrynd is Feldway's ally, the other where she isn't.

Pretty much, which we use to prove that Chloe only travels to separate timelines. Besides, Diablo said reversing time is impossible, so Hinata's theory which is apparently confirmed by Luminous doesn't make sense.

And we literally have Clayman's side story showing an alternate timeline's events...

None. It's just a Void of Non- (negation) that contains all dimensions. A Void that Space, Time, Dimensions (up, down, left, right, etc.) yet is Infinite and incomprehensible, where Ramiris can insert any number of Dimensions (via Small World) given sufficient Magicules.

BDE3? Probably, but it's better to argue that for the World Gap given it has more context for such.

Laws encompass Subspace too given skills of a certain level work in subspace as well, so it's same to assume it's created by Veldanava as well. Skills that work on it are said to transcend all space, time and dimensions.

If it's just tier 1 in general, better to argue it with actually dimensional stuff; Imaginary Number Space, 4th Spatial Dimension, Hyper Space-Time attacks, Time travel to before retroactive destruction of space-time, etc.

"None" then proceed to talk about all the examples

 

[K'rimuru]

BDE3? Probably, but it's better to argue that for the World Gap given it has more context for such.

I'm very bad at BDEs, but how can one assign them ?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

"None" then proceed to talk about all the examples

I think I might have caused a confusion. Your examples weren't wrong as in "completely off" but simply that none of the examples explicitly described subspace without overlapping with another structure (lol).

It's not the first example is "ultimate totality" is Perfection (Infinity), that is, Holy Spirit (not referring to God/Great Holy Spirit)

Your second example is the second closest except that Subspace dossnt have "Time" (nor space in that regard). The temporal distortions are simply caused by Space-Time storms which are pathways to random dimensions.

The third example is the closest, but it doesn't really not have a cause and effect. Veldanava created it (in a way) after all. Though non 1-A causality it does completely lack, yeah. But no, Velgrynd didn't say it has no cause and effect. Iirc the statement was "there's no causality between them (worlds)" which should instead refer to the world Gap by that logic, not subspace. Causality is a law that exists everywhere and every thing, in suspended world, in the world Gap, subspace, etc., just on different levels

The forth example, in a way, also overlaps with the Holy Spirit (root source of the world).

Maybe if you gave any of those examples far more description, it would fit perfectly.

I'm very bad at BDEs, but how can one assign them ?

BDE3 is basically Voids of Nothingness directly stated/shown to lack the concepts of Space and Time (not assumed by default for all Voids), and the composite substance of whatever "reality" in context is (mostly it's physicality) while still being vaster than reality(ies). Like reality being less than a drop of water in an endless ocean.

 

[K'rimuru]

I think I might have caused a confusion. Your examples weren't wrong as in "completely off" but simply that none of the examples explicitly described subspace without overlapping with another structure (lol).

It's not the first example is "ultimate totality" is Perfection (Infinity), that is, Holy Spirit (not referring to God/Great Holy Spirit)

Your second example is the second closest except that Subspace dossnt have "Time" (nor space in that regard). The temporal distortions are simply caused by Space-Time storms which are pathways to random dimensions.

The third example is the closest, but it doesn't really not have a cause and effect. Veldanava created it (in a way) after all. Though non 1-A causality it does completely lack, yeah. But no, Velgrynd didn't say it has no cause and effect. Iirc the statement was "there's no causality between them (worlds)" which should instead refer to the world Gap by that logic, not subspace. Causality is a law that exists everywhere and every thing, in suspended world, in the world Gap, subspace, etc., just on different levels

The forth example, in a way, also overlaps with the Holy Spirit (root source of the world).

Maybe if you gave any of those examples far more description, it would fit perfectly.

BDE3 is basically Voids of Nothingness directly stated/shown to lack the concepts of Space and Time (not assumed by default for all Voids), and the composite substance of whatever "reality" in context is (mostly it's physicality) while still being vaster than reality(ies). Like reality being less than a drop of water in an endless ocean.

And who do you think you're going to attribute this to ? Spiritual life forms ? Digital ? Or someone/something else ?

 

[K'rimuru]

And also I had a question, what do you think is the strongest hax in fiction ?

Personally, I will always defend that the strongest hax in fiction is type 2 information manipulation, even reading this page I cannot conceive that there is anything better in fiction, even type 1 conceptual manipulation, plot manipulation, probability manipulation or even extremely powerful aspects like type 3 non-duality, Nep 3 with all aspects (exception to aspect 4), AE type 1 and 2, Acausality type 1, 2, 3, 4 and even 5 etc..

I defend this position body and soul but I am told that I am wrong, so I wanted to get your opinion on the matter.

 

[Ultimuru]

BDE3 is basically Voids of Nothingness

It reminds me when I once talked with a guy on Reddit and he said Tensura's subspace is just empty and not filled with TRUE ULTIMATE NOTHINGNESS.

Same guy later scaled world of void from DB to 1-A smh

 

[K'rimuru]

It reminds me when I once talked with a guy on Reddit and he said Tensura's subspace is just empty and not filled with TRUE ULTIMATE NOTHINGNESS.

Same guy later scaled world of void from DB to 1-A smh

Mdr

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

And who do you think you're going to attribute this to ? Spiritual life forms ? Digital ? Or someone/something else ?

BDE3?
None
They're all BDE1 imo. BDE3 is more so for structures. World Gap and Subspace if you will.

It reminds me when I once talked with a guy on Reddit and he said Tensura's subspace is just empty and not filled with TRUE ULTIMATE NOTHINGNESS.

Same guy later scaled world of void from DB to 1-A smh

 

[K'rimuru]

BDE3?
None
They're all BDE1 imo

Ah

 

[PizzaDante67]

It reminds me when I once talked with a guy on Reddit and he said Tensura's subspace is just empty and not filled with TRUE ULTIMATE NOTHINGNESS.

Same guy later scaled world of void from DB to 1-A smh

Ah yes, 1-A DB. Love to see it. Reminds me of a time where people used to wank Dbz characters to 1-A or High 1-A because the Kaioshin realm „transcends dimensions“…….

 

[K'rimuru]

Ah yes, 1-A DB. Love to see it. Reminds me of a time where people used to wank Dbz characters to 1-A or High 1-A because the Kaioshin realm „transcends dimensions“…….

Tell yourself that people continue to consider it as 1-A on Tiktok, and every time I have a huge laugh, especially when every time I ask them for back up to support their argument, they stutter and start to cry because their poor "transcends dimensions" is insufficient and doesn't scale anywhere.

 

[PizzaDante67]

Tell yourself that people continue to consider it as 1-A on Tiktok, and every time I have a huge laugh, especially when every time I ask them for back up to support their argument, they stutter and start to cry because their poor "transcends dimensions" is insufficient and doesn't scale anywhere.

Tik Tok scaling will never fail to amaze me. Be it 1-A Dragonball, Low 1-C Naruto, 3-A Black Clover or my favorite, Tier 0 Opm

 

[K'rimuru]

Tik Tok scalin will never fail to amaze me. Be it 1-A Dragonball, Low 1-C Naruto, 3-A Black Clover or my favorite, Tier 0 Opm

They say they use vsbw as an authority.. (it's closer to csap than anything else), they take things that suit them without real justification or limitation

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Tik Tok scaling will never fail to amaze me. Be it 1-A Dragonball, Low 1-C Naruto, 3-A Black Clover or my favorite, Tier 0 Opm

Let's not forget layered boundless Rimuru as well and apparently a Rimuru that transcends Veldanava

 

[Violatas]

and apparently a Rimuru that transcends Veldanava

I mentioned this already but yeah I have unironically seen this mentioned a lot. Moreso WN Rimuru surpassing Veldy. Not that anyone ever posted a statement suggesting it...

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I mentioned this already but yeah I have unironically seen this mentioned a lot. Moreso WN Rimuru surpassing Veldy. Not that anyone ever posted a statement suggesting it...

They mostly rely on the statmeent that Rimuru has endless Void Collapse while Veldanava doesn't, but they forget they said Veldanava is the version that's bound to the system (Post-Creation)[Creation here refers to Laws and World Language) and specifically created the Cardinal World (in raws; "this world") using Void Collapse.

But of course, they will think Rimuru surpassed all versions of Veldanava

 

[Community_Gamer]

The Phantom is more so confused as to why Velgrynd is acting as her ememy even though the timeline the phantom originally came from had her as Feldway's/Michael's ally. This is mainly used to indicate the existence of different timelines, one where Velgrynd is Feldway's ally, the other where she isn't.

Yes I know, those are the same timeline, just at different points, which he is unaware of, and then in respons,e Velgrynd tells them to sync timelines.

Pretty much, which we use to prove that Chloe only travels to separate timelines. Besides, Diablo said reversing time is impossible, so Hinata's theory which is apparently confirmed by Luminous doesn't make sense.

Yeah makes sense.

None. It's just a Void of Non- (negation) that contains all dimensions. A Void that Space, Time, Dimensions (up, down, left, right, etc.) yet is Infinite and incomprehensible, where Ramiris can insert any number of Dimensions (via Small World) given sufficient Magicules.

BDE3? Probably, but it's better to argue that for the World Gap given it has more context for such.

Laws encompass Subspace too given skills of a certain level work in subspace as well, so it's same to assume it's created by Veldanava as well. Skills that work on it are said to transcend all space, time and dimensions.

If it's just tier 1 in general, better to argue it with actually dimensional stuff; Imaginary Number Space, 4th Spatial Dimension, Hyper Space-Time attacks, Time travel to before retroactive destruction of space-time, etc.

I see. Don't really get T1 but everything else

 

[Violatas]

@Astral_Trinity439 btw that thing you asked for like a year ago, I'm still working on and I'll dm once it's done, it's just a long process as I'm sure you know

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Don't really get T1 but everything else

Basically a world is 5-dimensional or 6-dimensional instead of 4 because there are more than 3 spatial dimensions.

 

[Emils_tempest]

Slime Reader Vol. 17
"The phantom-race is an Aggressor tribe, a half-mental life form. In the material world, it could only be active for a short time without incarnation. Particularly in this world where magic is scarce, its energy efficiency would have been too low if it had not possessed a human. Therefore, if it uses its true strength, its human body would not be able to withstand it.

He's getting weaker. Well, this world isn't protected by magical elements, so if you use too much power, it might destroy it"
1) Do we agree that it says that a simple phantom can destroy a world? (That's how I interpret it)
2) Is there a translation error? (I know there are a lot of things related to translations with Tensura.) If this has already been discussed, I apologize for bothering you.

 

[K'rimuru]

Slime Reader Vol. 17
La race fantôme est une tribu d'Agresseurs, une forme de vie semi-mentale. Dans le monde matériel, elle ne pouvait être active que pendant une courte période sans incarnation. Particulièrement dans ce monde où la magie est rare, son efficacité énergétique aurait été trop faible si elle n'avait pas possédé un humain. Par conséquent, si elle utilisait sa véritable force, son corps humain ne pourrait lui résister.

Il s'affaiblit. Ce monde n'est pas protégé par des éléments magiques, donc si tu utilises trop de puissance, tu risques de le détruire.
1) Sommes-nous d'accord pour dire qu'un simple fantôme peut détruire un monde ? (C'est ainsi que je l'interprète.)
2) Y a-t-il une erreur de traduction ? (Je sais qu'il y a beaucoup de choses liées aux traductions avec Tensura.) Si cela a déjà été discuté, je m'excuse de vous déranger.

Wesh tu fais quoi ici ? (Oui je parle fr)

Et d'ailleurs depuis combien de temps tu as un compte ? J'étais même pas au courant avant la discussion sur le LS-FTL de Re:zéro

 

[Emils_tempest]

Wesh tu fais quoi ici ? (Oui je parle fr)

1 tu aurais pu m'envoyer ça sur discord 2 tu oublies trop vite que je suis également un main tensura 3 je m'ennuyais a un repas avec des amis à mon père alors j'ai pensé à du scaling et tensura ce qui m'a amené a vouloir proposer ça

 

[K'rimuru]

1 tu aurais pu m'envoyer ça sur discord 2 tu oublies trop vite que je suis également un main tensura 3 je m'ennuyais a un repas de famille alors j'ai pensé à du scaling et tensura ce qui m'a amené a vouloir proposer ça

Wsh le repas il a pas de buzz ou quoi