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Composite Hierarchies Rework

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Agnaa said:
I think it might be fine to just delete it, it doesn't seem too relevant nowadays.

I disagree with the OP; composite hierarchies don't necessarily qualify for 1-A, so the page shouldn't be written as if they do. Beyond the first criteria not actually being enough by itself, fiction can include anti-feats for 1-A, while still having the over cosmological structure be a composite hierarchy.
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Agnaa said:
Given how the original usage was to provide an example for evaluators of how certain series could have "layers" that constitute more than one dimension, I don't think there's a point in having it, even in its rewritten version. Our evaluators should know that by now, given how they're staff, have a lot more experience, and 1-A stuff inherently involves that sort of thing.
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My view hasn't changed, so I haven't commented again.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Agnaa, Eliza, Lawyer, and from what I can see, Executor don't really see the point in keeping the page around anymore.

Finepoint thinks the page should be deleted, but an FAQ point should be added.

I was writing under the assumption of just keeping it, but currently, it may be worth making it into a FAQ thing and removing the page.
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Antvasima said:
Okay. Adding a new FAQ section, and turning the old page into a redirect link, seems best in that case. 🙏
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@Agnaa @Qawsedf234 @Elizhaa @FinePoint @IdiosyncraticLawyer @FinePoint @Executor_N0

Do you think that this would be an acceptable solution? 🙏
 
Elyartaker has requested I bump his thread instead of him, because I am Cool and Rad. Specifically, he asked me to yank @Agnaa and @Elizhaa in to look at Ant's proposal above. I do not know this thread beyond the OP and will not learn it, and so I oblige, then scurry off into the darkness where I live.
 
Well, your draft looks rather good to me, but other staff members will likely wish to improve on it. 🙏
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I can work on drafting something given the time. I'll have something here by the end of the week.
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So my idea after reading @Agnaa and @Executor_N0 's points a couple time is this:
  • My definition was likely to specific or at least, prone to errors somewhere
  • To long for this specific FAQ
So this would be my attempt to break it down to the bare minimum:
Q: What are composite hierarchies and how do they relate to tiering?

A: Composite Hierarchies are multilayered cosmological structures where the difference between two realms is greater than a singular dimensional jump, such as a realm composed of a Low 2-C baseline layer and a superior High 1-C second layer. Within such cosmologies, it is common for each layer within these realms to possess its own notion of dimensionality and governing principles, which are surpassed in size and scope by the higher layers within the realm. Sometimes these realms are depicted as metaphysical in nature, transcending descriptions that are limited to lesser realities, with the realm being metaphysically or qualitatively superior to the lesser realm within the cosmology.

With a composite hierarchy with a 1-A realm, it is important to note that the realm in question must still show qualities of a qualitative superiority or a "realness" difference. Simply viewing the lower realm as inferior wouldn't be enough. Additionally, while they may be part of the same "structure" in a sense, that would not preclude them from being 1-A as long as the lower layers of the hierarchy are subsumed by the higher layers in a way where they're not reliant on them as a base cosmology structure.
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Made a minor wording fix
Q: What are composite hierarchies and how do they relate to tiering?

A: Composite Hierarchies are multilayered cosmological structures where the difference between two realms is greater than a singular dimensional jump, such as a realm composed of a Low 2-C baseline layer and a superior High 1-C second layer. Within such cosmologies, it is common for each layer within these realms to possess its own notion of dimensionality and governing principles, which are surpassed in size and scope by the higher layers within the realm. Sometimes these realms are depicted as metaphysical in nature, transcending descriptions that are limited to lesser realities, with the realm being metaphysically or qualitatively superior to the lesser realm within the cosmology.

With a composite hierarchy involving a 1-A realm, it is important to note that the realm in question must still show qualities of a qualitative superiority or a "realness" difference. Simply viewing the lower realm as inferior wouldn't be enough. Additionally, while they may be part of the same "structure" in a sense, that would not preclude them from being 1-A as long as the lower layers of the hierarchy are subsumed by the higher layers in a way where they're not reliant on them as a base cosmology structure.
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It seems good to me as well. Thank you very much for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
Well, updating our FAQ page and turning our Composite Hierarchies page into a redirect link at least. 🙏
 
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