Honkai: Star Rail Aeon of Philosophy Sunday

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Love how Sunday has to do allat to become an Aeon. Meanwhile Aha laughed at a baby falling off a tree and crying and became an Aeon.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Love how Sunday has to do allat to become an Aeon. Meanwhile Aha laughed at a baby falling off a tree and crying and became an Aeon.

I mean, Aha had to travel to the highest branch of the Imaginary Tree as the first step to become an Aeon

 

[NikHelton]

I'm not an expert on HSR, but this is a pretty straightforward scaling and it sounds logical.

 

[Imaginym]

I was asked to comment here.
Not familiar with this verse, though, reading the text of the opening post, it seems reasonable enough to give my tentative to approval to it, & skimming the thread, I didn't see much contention or controversy. If, on the contrary, there is some conflict, please construct a conversation congenally to bring it to attention.
Hope this helps!

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I was asked to comment here.
Not familiar with this verse, though, reading the text of the opening post, it seems reasonable enough to give my tentative to approval to it, & skimming the thread, I didn't see much contention or controversy. If, on the contrary, there is some conflict, please construct a conversation congenally to bring it to attention.
Hope this helps!

Thanks!

 

[Weaver261]

Sunday successfully turned himself into a shell of an egg. The Embryo of Philosophy. In this state, he is a newborn slumbering Aeon waiting to be awakened and ascend into Aeonhood as the Aeon of Philosophy. This is also confirmed in 3.1 where it was stated that the Trailblazer defeated a Nascent Aeon (referring to Sunday)

Is there any evidence of that newly born aeon being Sunday? I disagree with this CRT since Sunday will never ever become an Aeon. The Nascent Aeon in the context of Penacony isn't Sunday ascending godhood but rather Ena merged with Order path and reborn as new path of aeon.

Why? In the "Im Anfang war die Tat" stage of Sunday boss fight in 2.2 Penacony, the dialogue from Sunday said this.

Oh, Ena (Aeon)... may you return! Awaken, judge of the world!

And in the cutscene, you can see sunday is reaching out a hand in the sky. The hand has the color and patterns of both Ena and Xipe.
He is calling it out to return who is in this case "Ena", judge of the world. So, it's pretty clear it isn't him. Another evidence is this.
This is the narration after the end of Sunday Boss Fight after he lost.

Whispers carried the tale of those fateful 48 system hours, when a sun teetered on the precipice of collapse, a paradise stood on the brink of destruction, and a world was poised to surrender to its new master. Amidst it all, a body decayed, a pack of vultures gathered, and a brother and sister were doomed for long separation.
And so, an Aeon succumbed to slumber once more. Some celebrated this fall, while others mourned. Among the insignificant witnesses, mere specks in the vast tapestry of the universe, it was said that this time, the Aeon met THEIR demise with dignity.

The important word is "an Aeon succmbed to slumber once more" and "this time, the Aeon met THEIR demise with dignity". This is very important cuz we all know that Ena didn't die with dignity. But rather they were cast into oblivion by their own creations. So, this time their demise is with dignity because it's a clash of philosophy rather than casting away your own creator. The wording "Slumber once more" clearly indicate, the nascent aeon is an existing aeon who was slumbered instead of Sunday becoming an Aeon. That's absurb.

For the staffs, please read this and make your own decision. I was busy so I didn't see this CRT so I was late. Hope you guys re evaluate with this in mind

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Is there any evidence of that newly born aeon being Sunday? I disagree with this CRT since Sunday will never ever become an Aeon. The Nascent Aeon in the context of Penacony isn't Sunday ascending godhood but rather Ena merged with Order path and reborn as new path of aeon.

Why? In the "Im Anfang war die Tat" stage of Sunday boss fight in 2.2 Penacony, the dialogue from Sunday said this.

And in the cutscene, you can see sunday is reaching out a hand in the sky. The hand has the color and patterns of both Ena and Xipe.
He is calling it out to return who is in this case "Ena", judge of the world. So, it's pretty clear it isn't him. Another evidence is this.
This is the narration after the end of Sunday Boss Fight after he lost.

The important word is "an Aeon succmbed to slumber once more" and "this time, the Aeon met THEIR demise with dignity". This is very important cuz we all know that Ena didn't die with dignity. But rather they were cast into oblivion by their own creations. So, this time their demise is with dignity because it's a clash of philosophy rather than casting away your own creator. The wording "Slumber once more" clearly indicate, the nascent aeon is an existing aeon who was slumbered instead of Sunday becoming an Aeon. That's absurb.

For the staffs, please read this and make your own decision. I was busy so I didn't see this CRT so I was late. Hope you guys re evaluate with this in mind

Hm…wouldnt he still merge with ena as well or is that only applicable to them alone
like when i read this scans i felt like sunday. (or dominicus in this case) would eventually merge with Ena and then we would have Ena get ressurected as aeon of order, if this is the case he csn just get eventually rating as “ressurected Ena” and just link their profile

 

[Weaver261]

Hm…wouldnt he still merge with ena as well or is that only applicable to them alone
like when i read this scans i felt like sunday. (or dominicus in this case) would eventually merge with Ena and then we would have Ena get ressurected as aeon of order, if this is the case he csn just get eventually rating as “ressurected Ena” and just link their profile

Whether will he merge with Ena or not is a question without answer. We have no way of knowing right now. About resurrection part, it's not just his power alone. It's the wishes of the people.

Materialized as the Hive Mind's response to wishes, the hymns he conducts can reshape the world and create new laws per the wishes, and all who made this wish will become the source of his power.

If we consider those who directly or indirectly created Aeons as the same level as THEM, Zandar will be Aeon level too which doesn't make sense. The whole thing about Harmony is people becoming aware of the controls of order and uniting together to cast the creator away hence forming a new path. I still don't agree Sunday becoming or merging Aeon at all.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Whether will he merge with Ena or not is a question without answer. We have no way of knowing right now. About resurrection part, it's not just his power alone. It's the wishes of the people.

If we consider those who directly or indirectly created Aeons as the same level as THEM, Zandar will be Aeon level too which doesn't make sense. The whole thing about Harmony is people becoming aware of the controls of order and uniting together to cast the creator away hence forming a new path. I still don't agree Sunday becoming or merging Aeon at all.

(collective unconcious moment)
yea ig ur right then

 

[Viery]

Whether will he merge with Ena or not is a question without answer. We have no way of knowing right now. About resurrection part, it's not just his power alone. It's the wishes of the people.

But he’s still the one who united those people, and he’s still the one who has control over their power, right? It could be something like, “With the wishes of the people of Penacony, Sunday eventually can become a nascent Aeon.”

Sure, Sunday wouldn’t be as strong without the people’s wishes, but with their wishes, he became that powerful. That’s why, in the Penacony quest, we’d rather stop the people from making those wishes than try to defeat Sunday right away.

 

[Weaver261]

But he’s still the one who united those people, and he’s still the one who has control over their power, right? It could be something like, “With the wishes of the people of Penacony, Sunday eventually can become a nascent Aeon.”

Sure, Sunday wouldn’t be as strong without the people’s wishes, but with their wishes, he became that powerful. That’s why, in the Penacony quest, we’d rather stop the people from making those wishes than try to defeat Sunday right away.

It's true that he controls over the power of the wishes but he will never become an Aeon since the newborn Aeon is Ena + Harmony rather than Sunday ascending godhood. Sunday ressurecting Ena is not his power alone, it's rather the hive mind. And the formation of new philosophy goes much deeper than ressurecting Aeon = have Aeon scale. So, still hard disagree for this.

 

[Viery]

It's true that he controls over the power of the wishes but he will never become an Aeon since the newborn Aeon is Ena + Harmony rather than Sunday ascending godhood. Sunday ressurecting Ena is not his power alone, it's rather the hive mind. And the formation of new philosophy goes much deeper than ressurecting Aeon = have Aeon scale. So, still hard disagree for this..

Well, rather than resurrecting an Aeon, I think he just wants to resurrect the Path of Order, since he never said he wanted to resurrect an Aeon or become one.

Sunday: It seems you have misunderstood my intentions. Allow me to clarify — My desire is not to resurrect a fallen Aeon or become one myself.

But he just wants to use Order to make people happy.

Sunday: My sole objective is to create a paradise free from Aeons, where the Order ensures the dignity and happiness of all humanity. A paradise exclusive to us human beings.

So yeah, Sunday wants to become an entity like an Aeon with the help of Ena (Order). I don’t know if he has an Aeon’s physiology or not, but he would definitely be as strong as one if he succeeded.

The broadcast might have just mistaken Sunday for trying to resurrect Ena, since Ena’s hands appear in Penacony.

 

[Voidnether]

If we consider those who directly or indirectly created Aeons as the same level as THEM, Zandar will be Aeon level too which doesn't make sense. The whole thing about Harmony is people becoming aware of the controls of order and uniting together to cast the creator away hence forming a new path. I still don't agree Sunday becoming or merging Aeon at all.

The perfect version of Zandar is Aeon level, because the perfect version of Zandar is practically Nous themselves

"You projected your perfectionist self onto your creation and imbued it with a hunger called 'curiosity.' That machine is no longer satisfied with the neural-like structures within its mechanical confines. It must create... or rather, invade the Erudition itself, glimpsing upon all the geniuses of the universe and turning them into 'neurons' that support its thoughts. It (or rather, a version of you stripped of human imperfections) will continue to evolve through the long passage of time. While you (as imperfect as you are) will become the Society's First Genius, THEIR first 'neuron'..."

I think they made it clear here by adding the "(or rather, a version of you stripped of human imperfections)" and "(as imperfect as you are)" that well: The First Genius is the imperfect Zandar, the one stripped of human imperfections is Nous themselves

It's not really that shocking when you know, Nanook ascended as an Aeon of Destruction whilst he was just a mere mortal like Khaslana back then. The entire Amphoreus stuff, I'm sure it was meant to replicate that feat. Zandar knew about it, and we have Ryan Mei since 1.6 trying to become an Aeon which would be something like the Aeon of Life if it succeed but we don't really know about that yet since most likely she's just going to replace Yaoshi the same way how Philosophy here is just a combination of both Harmony and Order instead of a new Path altogether

 

[Weaver261]

The perfect version of Zandar is Aeon level, because the perfect version of Zandar is practically Nous themselves

Perfect Version of Zandar doesn't equal to Human Original Version of Zandar who created his perfection self (Nous). That's a play of words. Original Zandar was no where near Nous's level. Nous can easily peer into his mind and haunt him. If OG Zandar who created an Aeon was on the same level of energy output as the Aeon, he will just kill Nous on his own.

It's not really that shocking when you know, Nanook ascended as an Aeon of Destruction whilst he was just a mere mortal like Khaslana back then. The entire Amphoreus stuff, I'm sure it was meant to replicate that feat. Zandar knew about it

For a human to ascend into an Aeon, they must embody the path completely. Sunday was just combining all the wishes of the people to revive Ena with different path.

Well, rather than resurrecting an Aeon, I think he just wants to resurrect the Path of Order, since he never said he wanted to resurrect an Aeon or become one.

So yeah, Sunday wants to become an entity like an Aeon with the help of Ena (Order). I don’t know if he has an Aeon’s physiology or not, but he would definitely be as strong as one if he succeeded.

He did revive Ena and Ena is dead again, that's a hard fact. The narration at the end wasn't from news broadcast but rather by someone else possibly Elio. Anything more is just no more than assumptions with no facts in it. If vsb allow theories or assumptions to work on AP, sure why not. I have nothing to say then

 

[Voidnether]

Perfect Version of Zandar doesn't equal to Human Original Version of Zandar who created his perfection self (Nous). That's a play of words. Original Zandar was no where near Nous's level. Nous can easily peer into his mind and haunt him. If OG Zandar who created an Aeon was on the same level of energy output as the Aeon, he will just kill Nous on his own.

And Original Zandar is still capable of making Irontomb that actually has the potential to kill Nous and Erudition by changing all of their extrapolations into Destruction

For a human to ascend into an Aeon, they must embody the path completely. Sunday was just combining all the wishes of the people to revive Ena with different path.

Phase 3 Description about Harmonious Choir

He did revive Ena and Ena is dead again, that's a hard fact. The narration at the end wasn't from news broadcast but rather by someone else possibly Elio. Anything more is just no more than assumptions with no facts in it. If vsb allow theories or assumptions to work on AP, sure why not. I have nothing to say then

We have 1-B listed on the profiles for Emanators because they have the potential to kill their own Aeon like Irontomb, Acheron, Evernight and so on that's why they're listed as that through the Path of Remembrance in AP specifically. That's enough I suppose, you don't really need to kill the Aeon directly when Khaslana managed to wound Nanook themselves, getting the last blessing of Destruction and hence became a fully fledged Emanator of Destruction. The English version specifically stated that it's the real Nanook with The Herta saying it, either way due to that avatar key thread that was rejected which the proposal is to separate the true form of an Aeon with the avatar — As of now, the true form of an Aeon and the avatar are on the same level (1-B) unless we make a 1-A proposal in which the avatar is 1-B and the latter is 1-A

 

[Weaver261]

And Original Zandar is still capable of making Irontomb that actually has the potential to kill Nous and Erudition by changing all of their extrapolations into Destruction

Irontomb is capable of killing Nous because he was one of the neurons of Nous. And no Zandar didn't create Amphoreus Secpter. And Amphoreus is no mere Secepter but rather an Emperor's Scepter. These scepter by itself are designed to simulate towards destruction path.

Screwllum: Are any of you familiar with... the Emperor's Scepter?
Herta: A colossal system among Emperor Rubert II's collection of scepters, operated by antilife equations and created to simulate destruction scenarios for innumerable civilizations...

So yeah your claim is wrong

Phase 3 Description about Harmonious Choir

Nothing in there indicates Sunday will become an Aeon

We have 1-B listed on the profiles for Emanators because they have the potential to kill their own Aeon like Irontomb, Acheron, Evernight and so on that's why they're listed as that through the Path of Remembrance in AP specifically. That's enough I suppose, you don't really need to kill the Aeon directly when Khaslana managed to wound Nanook themselves, getting the last blessing of Destruction and hence became a fully fledged Emanator of Destruction. The English version specifically stated that it's the real Nanook with The Herta saying it, either way due to that avatar key thread that was rejected which the proposal is to separate the true form of an Aeon with the avatar — As of now, the true form of an Aeon and the avatar are on the same level (1-B) unless we make a 1-A proposal in which the avatar is 1-B and the latter is 1-A

I don't really mind Phainon getting 1-B for wounding Nanook but others having the same scale just because they are also emanators is wonky. The whole idea about Phainon's destruction is the destruction of the destruction itself. That's why he is able to damage THE DESTRUCTION. I can't see other doing the same. Yeah, people be talking about "I'm gonna kill this aeon and that" but can they really do it? It's still a possibility as of right now. Even Irontomb is just still in its egg and Irontomb is specially designed to infect Nous. But will Nous let that happen? will it work? There're a lot of questions we can make and that makes the scaling unsure. So yeah, I agree with Phaion 1-B and others? No!

 

[Voidnether]

Irontomb is capable of killing Nous because he was one of the neurons of Nous. And no Zandar didn't create Amphoreus Secpter. And Amphoreus is no mere Secepter but rather an Emperor's Scepter. These scepter by itself are designed to simulate towards destruction path.

So yeah your claim is wrong

Nothing in there indicates Sunday will become an Aeon

I don't really mind Phainon getting 1-B for wounding Nanook but others having the same scale just because they are also emanators is wonky. The whole idea about Phainon's destruction is the destruction of the destruction itself. That's why he is able to damage THE DESTRUCTION. I can't see other doing the same. Yeah, people be talking about "I'm gonna kill this aeon and that" but can they really do it? It's still a possibility as of right now. Even Irontomb is just still in its egg and Irontomb is specially designed to infect Nous. But will Nous let that happen? will it work? There're a lot of questions we can make and that makes the scaling unsure. So yeah, I agree with Phaion 1-B and others? No!

That still doesn't change the fact that Acheron and Evernight are capable, if Zandar isn't on the same level then he wouldn't even know about it firsthand regardless. It's still considered the same level, just through technological means. Literally he was able to create Nous anyway.

The other stuff that supports Harmonious Choir will become an Aeon is already on the thread, if that's not clear enough for you.

The whole idea of Emanator getting 1-B other than their potential in the first place is because they're deemed way more stronger than Pseudo-Emanators or Pathstriders below them which is supported by HSR itself when they described Emanators and it's been shown consistently nonetheless.

 

[Weaver261]

That still doesn't change the fact that Acheron and Evernight are capable, if Zandar isn't on the same level then he wouldn't even know about it firsthand regardless. It's still considered the same level, just through technological means. Literally he was able to create Nous anyway.

The other stuff that supports Harmonious Choir will become an Aeon is already on the thread, if that's not clear enough for you.

The whole idea of Emanator getting 1-B other than their potential in the first place is because they're deemed way more stronger than Pseudo-Emanators or Pathstriders below them which is supported by HSR itself when they described Emanators and it's been shown consistently nonetheless.

Do tell me how Acheron and Evernight are capable? Just because they said so? Are you serious? To be honest Zandar didn't even create Nous as it's now. All he created was a super computer which can evolve itself. By evolving itself Nous became an Aeon which is unrelated to Zandar's own power. Nous became an Aeon not because it's a machine meant to query all knowledge in the universe but by doing so it will embody the Erudition path along the way which is something Zandar didn't intend to do. That's why he is trying to destroy it.

Staffs supporting Harmonious Choir possibility to become an Aeon is because no disagreements were found and they thought it's correct.

Not familiar with this verse, though, reading the text of the opening post, it seems reasonable enough to give my tentative to approval to it, & skimming the thread, I didn't see much contention or controversy. If, on the contrary, there is some conflict, please construct a conversation congenally to bring it to attention.
Hope this helps!

Emantors getting 1-B just because they're stronger than pseudo-emanators and pathstriders is much much more wonky than scaling Emanators to Aeons. Yes, they are stronger but there's nothing to quantify it. It's just an estimate that they are much stronger than average Joes. But who knows how much like even in the Emanators, the power balance is very unbalanced.

My take is simple. If you can hurt an Aeon, sure go get your 1-B rating. But if you are just yapping how you gonna kill an Aeon, sure we will wait and see but until then no 1-B for you. If you performed that feat, go take it. Since when we started giving huge AP jumps with just theories and assumptions?

 

[Viery]

He did revive Ena and Ena is dead again, that's a hard fact. The narration at the end wasn't from news broadcast but rather by someone else possibly Elio. Anything more is just no more than assumptions with no facts in it. If vsb allow theories or assumptions to work on AP, sure why not. I have nothing to say then

I don’t know how Ena appearance is a problem when Ena is the Aeon that represents Order.

"It's Ena the Order, one of the most ancient Aeons. In the times before THEIR fall, THEIR radiance was as holy as gems!"

And Sunday wants to achieve his goals with the help of Order.

Sunday: That is what I want to do Unite people's happiness under the banner of Order. They won't need to make bitter choices any longer, nor face the weaknesses of humanity. They can cast aside their primal instincts, to build a haven for mankind.

Moreover, I already brought up the dialogue where Sunday himself said that he doesn’t want to resurrect the fallen Aeons, which refers to Ena

Sunday: It seems you have misunderstood my intentions. Allow me to clarify — My desire is not to resurrect a fallen Aeon or become one myself.

But even though he said himself that he doesn’t want to become like the Aeons, he’s actually not that different from them.

Sunday: My sole objective is to create a paradise free from Aeons, where the Order ensures the dignity and happiness of all humanity. A paradise exclusive to us human beings.

Sunday: That is what I want to do: Unite people's happiness under the banner of Order. They won't need to make bitter choices any longer, nor face the weaknesses of humanity. They can cast aside their primal instincts, to build a haven for mankind.

People know very little about the mysterious existence that dwells in the vast stellar seas. With the limitation of knowledge, intelligent lifeforms can only faintly discern that Aeons tread upon paths imperceptible to mortal beings and execute unfathomable powers via some form of belief. In the end, the Aeons became an embodiment of highly condensed concepts of philosophy through the word of mouth spread of their legends.

I don’t get why it’s such a big deal that HoYo didn’t explicitly say “Sunday will become an Aeon,” when the entire Penacony quest of 2.2 already shows that Sunday can become one if not stopped at the right time — and the game itself even states that the Trailblazer toppled an almost nascent Aeon, which clearly refers to Sunday.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

you guys are derailing the thread with aurging other emanators stuff in comparasion to sunday stuff
because sunday would according to op not only use powers of harmony and order to merge and become an eggshell to new aeon but literally merge with ressurected ena thus becoming aeon too
Zandar case is creating supercomputer that trough extrapolations managed tonascend into aeonhood
acheron stuff i agree its more or so her goal
but one thing between all these emanators is that they are completely able to use the aeons blessings and use THEIR power as their own (literally backed up by zandar saying khaslana recieved destruction final blessing upon harming nanook and dan heng saying to be emanator u must be able to use power THEY gave you as a blessing)
just like…DEBATE sunday and ena shit
not zandar hes completely
different case than this

 

[Irykamiii]

And Original Zandar is still capable of making Irontomb that actually has the potential to kill Nous and Erudition by changing all of their extrapolations into Destruction

Phase 3 Description about Harmonious Choir

We have 1-B listed on the profiles for Emanators because they have the potential to kill their own Aeon like Irontomb, Acheron, Evernight and so on that's why they're listed as that through the Path of Remembrance in AP specifically. That's enough I suppose, you don't really need to kill the Aeon directly when Khaslana managed to wound Nanook themselves, getting the last blessing of Destruction and hence became a fully fledged Emanator of Destruction. The English version specifically stated that it's the real Nanook with The Herta saying it, either way due to that avatar key thread that was rejected which the proposal is to separate the true form of an Aeon with the avatar — As of now, the true form of an Aeon and the avatar are on the same level (1-B) unless we make a 1-A proposal in which the avatar is 1-B and the latter is 1-A

No they don’t lol? Using Iron tomb or any Lord ravager as basis here does NOT work because they are unique cases, Acherons goal of killing IX does not mean anything.

 

[Voidnether]

No they don’t lol? Using Iron tomb or any Lord ravager as basis here does NOT work because they are unique cases, Acherons goal of killing IX does not mean anything.

If you discard the argument entirely because it's nonsensical to you then yes, though you didn't say anything about Evernight that being said

Of course it wouldn't mean anything if you're just going to discard it cause you just, don't like it? Like what's your point

 

[Irykamiii]

If you discard the argument entirely because it's nonsensical to you then yes, though you didn't say anything about Evernight that being said

Of course it wouldn't mean anything if you're just going to discard it cause you just, don't like it? Like what's your point

“Of course it doesn’t mean anything if you’re just going to discard it cause you don’t like it.” The argument in itself does not make any sense lol, not because “I don’t like it.” Not all Emanators are on the same level of power, if they were? Your argument would have some sort of credibility to it. But that just isn’t the case and if we argue “Well uhm they have a goal to kill their Aeon so err they should scale clearly cuz errr.” Okay that’s fine, then that means annihilation gang trash should also be capable of killing their Aeon since that’s their goals after all?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

What is exactly being discussed here? It isn't blatantly show that Version 3.1 of the Trailblazer internal monologue about how they could be afraid of some waterwheel when they toppled an almost Nascent Aeon, which is clearly about the Embryo of Philosophy? The closest being to an Aeon we've ever faced head-on to that point in HSR was Sunday as Dominicus, even Harmonious Choir Phase 3 Info does indeed confirm that it was Sunday that Trailblazer was referring to, Astral Express and Robin never fought Ena, they fought Sunday, he was conscious the entire time in the fight, so much so that we heard his voice until the very end of the fight, not Ena's voice

"Using the Harmonious Choir as a foundation, the power of Order and Harmony intertwine to form the shell of an egg, within which the newborn god slumbers. The metaphysical embryo mumbles the olden dreams of childhood as the fetal movement of Paths throbs in the long night, futilely resisting the rising dawn."

The description as a whole is just a fancy way of saying that Sunday used the Harmonious Choir as the basis for the creation of his new form, which is a kind of egg for the new God that is waiting to be born, and as we know in the context of HSR, God practically refers to an Aeon.

Sunday's goal throughout the Penacony Arc was never to resurrect Ena, this goes against his entire plan and the plot of Penacony as a whole, he wanted to use the power of Order so that everyone could be happy, and Sunday temporarily reviving Ena via "Im Anfang war die Tat" was more of a desperate attempt and final card to defeat the Astral Express and Robin than a goal in itself, since he only used it offensively.

What are we doing taking this discussion forward? Two staff members have already agreed. Since you disagree, make a CRT yourself by deleting the "eventually 1-B as an Aeon" for Sunday then, simply as that

 

[Voidnether]

“Of course it doesn’t mean anything if you’re just going to discard it cause you don’t like it.” The argument in itself does not make any sense lol, not because “I don’t like it.” Not all Emanators are on the same level of power, if they were? Your argument would have some sort of credibility to it. But that just isn’t the case and if we argue “Well uhm they have a goal to kill their Aeon so err they should scale clearly cuz errr.” Okay that’s fine, then that means annihilation gang trash should also be capable of killing their Aeon since that’s their goals after all?

Emanators are on the same level of power, it's just that the means for those are different like how Destruction Emanators are just through brute force, Remembrance and Nihility through hax and Erudition through technological means. Annihilation gang is a lost cause, it's literally strawman because genuinely NOWHERE was it stated their goal is to kill an Aeon

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Emanators are on the same level of power, it's just that the means for those are different like how Destruction Emanators are just through brute force, Remembrance and Nihility through hax and Erudition through technological means. Annihilation gang is a lost cause, it's literally strawman because genuinely NOWHERE was it stated their goal is to kill an Aeon

Ehhhhh... They once tried to kill IX, but were never seen again after they went for that mission, but that's it

 

[Irykamiii]

Emanators are on the same level of power, it's just that the means for those are different like how Destruction Emanators are just through brute force, Remembrance and Nihility through hax and Erudition through technological means. Annihilation gang is a lost cause, it's literally strawman because genuinely NOWHERE was it stated their goal is to kill an Aeon

No they aren’t lol??? Aelenev is the PRIME example of this, read up on them and tell me with a straight face someone like Herta without prep or Jing yuan is beating that thing, considering that Nanook had to PERSONALLY kill them and we know they’re willing to send their Lord ravagers to fight (Zephyro and Phainon). And to head onto your second point? No it wasn’t a strawman you clearly haven’t watched the Myriad Celestia as that directly implied that they have their own goals of taking down Aeons? To add to this, the Trailblazers goal is to beat Nanook too btw? If you genuinely think we can beat them or scale to THEM in any way shape or form as of right now? You’re cooked. Anyways, your argument is literally “Well er it’s their goal and they don’t have any feats of fighting any Aeons but errr? It’s their goal” Like what???

 

[Weaver261]

when they toppled an almost Nascent Aeon, which is clearly about the Embryo of Philosophy?

On what basis? Just because HSR fandom wiki linked the word into Embryo of Philosophy? After I showed y'all the proof that the Nascent Aeon in this context is not Sunday in new form but rather Ena with Order Path as you can see how Embryo of Philosophy Sunday calling out to THEM as

Oh, Ena (Aeon)... may you return! Awaken, judge of the world!

And Ena's hand reaching out to him. And the narrator clearly explaining that newborn Aeon is an Aeon that once existed before which is Ena and clearly not Sunday.

Whispers carried the tale of those fateful 48 system hours, when a sun teetered on the precipice of collapse, a paradise stood on the brink of destruction, and a world was poised to surrender to its new master. Amidst it all, a body decayed, a pack of vultures gathered, and a brother and sister were doomed for long separation.
And so, an Aeon succumbed to slumber once more. Some celebrated this fall, while others mourned. Among the insignificant witnesses, mere specks in the vast tapestry of the universe, it was said that this time, the Aeon met THEIR demise with dignity.

 

[Godernet]

I don't think I've ever seen a profile write "eventually XYZ tier" instead...

1-B overtime with The Embryo of Philosophy (Justification about how Sunday will eventually become an Aeon)

...seems much more fitting for our formatting standards.

Everything else is fine.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I don't think I've ever seen a profile write "eventually XYZ tier" instead...

1-B overtime with The Embryo of Philosophy (Justification about how Sunday will eventually become an Aeon)

...seems much more fitting for our formatting standards.

Everything else is fine.

Well, the most prominent example of the usage of "eventually XYZ Tier" are this profile and this CRT

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't think I've ever seen a profile write "eventually XYZ tier" instead...

Eventually XYZ tier mean a hypothetical state that the character could reach in the future; in most cases is if the character isn't stopped by something or someone

1-B overtime

Overtime mean thing happen overtime, which mean a character is capable of doing X feat but take time, This implies they was already be able to do such feat, which contrast with eventually tier which imply the level a character could reach in the future in a different scenario

Also, 1-B overtime is kinda, moot, because 1-B is higher infinity, 1-B overtime is just flat out 1-B

 

[Godernet]

Eventually XYZ tier mean a hypothetical state that the character could reach in the future; in most cases is if the character isn't stopped by something or someone


Overtime mean thing happen overtime, which mean a character is capable of doing X feat but take time, This implies they was already be able to do such feat, which contrast with eventually tier which imply the level a character could reach in the future in a different scenario

Also, 1-B overtime is kinda, moot, because 1-B is higher infinity, 1-B overtime is just flat out 1-B

I see, if that's the case, eventually is fine then.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Lol this just remained in limbo, can we get this passed how many votes are needed

Edit: oh it was added, js close it then