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Sash Lilac Vs. The Knight

Lilac has an A.P of 198,411,071.6815791 J
While the knight has an A.P of 65,250,740 J
Meaning Lilac's A.P is 3.04x bigger
 
I'd go on a whim and say that Knight's small size gives him an advantage in this fight, on the virtue of being harder to hit.
 
Greatsage13th said:
I'd go on a whim and say that Knight's small size gives him an advantage in this fight, on the virtue of being harder to hit.
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Yeah but since Lilac's A.P is 3.04 times bigger and she can move around faster it would likely shift the battle in her favor
The Knight would probably want to spam spells but d dark would probably be the only one he has a chance of hitting
 
Greatsage13th said:
Fair, but that would still make it hard for her to damage Knight since she's easier too hit when she's attacking.
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the knight would have to play passively probably in order to not get hit as one hit would be damaging and the knight needs to manage soul really well
 
Skyrod5861 said:
Also it should probably be said that she is invincible when using dragon boost to close the distance
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How long does it last?
Skyrod5861 said:
the knight would have to play passively probably in order to not get hit as one hit would be damaging and the knight needs to manage soul really well
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He is quite acrobatic and can dodge her hits while small sized. But he is never passive in fighting, always on the move.
 
Greatsage13th said:
How long does it last?

He is quite acrobatic and can dodge her hits while small sized. But he is never passive in fighting, always on the move.
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The dragon boost covers a lot of distance in 2-3 seconds and it only takes 6-8 seconds to get it back
Yeah but if he is too aggressive he can be heavily punished as lilac is extremely skilled and has a higher a.p
The Knight almost has to fight too perfectly imo. He needs to be very smart about this.
 
Skyrod5861 said:
The dragon boost covers a lot of distance in 2-3 seconds and it only takes 6-8 seconds to get it back
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Not too long then.
Skyrod5861 said:
Yeah but if he is too aggressive he can be heavily punished as lilac is extremely skilled and has a higher a.p
The Knight almost has to fight too perfectly imo. He needs to be very smart about this.
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I do think it is still superior in CQC especially with a weapon in hand, and would win the fight eventually even when fighting someone with higher statistics.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Not too long then.

I do think it is still superior in CQC especially with a weapon in hand, and would win the fight eventually even when fighting someone with higher statistics.
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Yeah but just bcause he's smaller doesn't mean he can't be hit and lilac's cyclone is a spin attack which can cause him a lot of trouble
He would likely struggle to deal with her boosting around the place
 
Greatsage13th said:
What does it look like?

Wouldn't it make it much harder for her to hit it if she does so?
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She could go in on a dive with the boost and catch him off guard
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/f...Cyclone.gif/revision/latest?cb=20200309195952
is what it looks like

I just feel like the knight will take too long to take her down and since she can boost in and punish if he wants to heal it makes me feel like he needs to be too perfect in order to win and lilac is also skilled so she wouldn't be easy to deal with
 
Skyrod5861 said:
She could go in on a dive with the boost and catch him off guard
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/f...Cyclone.gif/revision/latest?cb=20200309195952
is what it looks like
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...It's not going to hit it when most of the rotational force is far above its height and not directly on it.
Skyrod5861 said:
I just feel like the knight will take too long to take her down and since she can boost in and punish if he wants to heal it makes me feel like he needs to be too perfect in order to win and lilac is also skilled so she wouldn't be easy to deal with
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Fair enough, I'll vote Sash.
 
Skyrod5861 said:
Any charm build you want with 11 notches beside voidheart
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So what your saying is that they have access to all of them and they could change their loadout mid-fight? In that case I'll probably go with the Knight since they can counter Lilac's AP advantage using the Baldur's Shell + Thorns of Agony + Stalwart Shell + Carefree Melody combo.
 
MysticBrawler said:
So what your saying is that they have access to all of them and they could change their loadout mid-fight? In that case I'll probably go with the Knight since they can counter Lilac's AP advantage using the Baldur's Shell + Thorns of Agony + Stalwart Shell + Carefree Melody combo.
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He couldn't change mid fight but if he went in with the charms you selected
Thorns wouldn't hurt her too much to be fair and she could use dragon boost to dodge with invincibility
Also he still wouldn't be able to heal with baldur's shell since she could just break the shell which we can clearly see is possible in game
the knight would need quick slash to bring her down as fast as possible but like I said earlier he just needs to be a bit too perfect to give him a win so i would give it to Lilac Imo
With stalwart shell it could help but since the knight takes knockback on getting hit so Lilac could realistically just keep some space between them after a successive hit until she can attack again but tbh debating i-frames is annoying af.
Carefree melody is all up to chance because even though it is a low chance it could realistically save him multiple hits there is a high chance it won't be too crazy.
I feel the build the knight would have to use in order to give him the best chance at winning would have to be a high dps build in order to end the fight quickly because I can't see him winning in a long fight with Lilac having the A.P advantage.
 
Skyrod5861 said:
He couldn't change mid fight but if he went in with the charms you selected
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Wait, so are you saying that we're just gonna test every possible charm combination to see if any of them could work against Lilac?
Skyrod5861 said:
Thorns wouldn't hurt her too much to be fair and she could use dragon boost to dodge with invincibility
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Can Lilac use her Dragon Boost anytime she wants? And how long does the boost actually last?
Skyrod5861 said:
Also he still wouldn't be able to heal with baldur's shell since she could just break the shell which we can clearly see is possible in game
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The Baldur's Shell can block 4 hits regardless of whether it's single or double damage so while temporary it would still be helpful
Skyrod5861 said:
the knight would need quick slash to bring her down as fast as possible but like I said earlier he just needs to be a bit too perfect to give him a win so i would give it to Lilac Imo
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This charm combination totals to 8 charm notches so there is still room to add in Quick Slash.
Skyrod5861 said:
With stalwart shell it could help but since the knight takes knockback on getting hit so Lilac could realistically just keep some space between them after a successive hit until she can attack again but tbh debating i-frames is annoying af.
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In that case Stalwart Shell can also be replaced with Nailmaster's Glory and Dream Wielder charms
Skyrod5861 said:
Carefree melody is all up to chance because even though it is a low chance it could realistically save him multiple hits there is a high chance it won't be too crazy.
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In that case this can be replaced by Grubsong and Weaversong charms.
Skyrod5861 said:
I feel the build the knight would have to use in order to give him the best chance at winning would have to be a high dps build in order to end the fight quickly because I can't see him winning in a long fight with Lilac having the A.P advantage.
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This revised build also seems like it would work pretty well((Baldur's Shell + Thorns of Agony + Quick Slash + Nailmaster's Glory + Dream Wielder + Grubsong + Weaversong.)
 
MysticBrawler said:
Can Lilac use her Dragon Boost anytime she wants? And how long does the boost actually last?
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It Sends her flying in a certain direction with invincibility at will, it lasts for 2-3 seconds and it recharges in 3-5 seconds
MysticBrawler said:
The Baldur's Shell can block 4 hits regardless of whether it's single or double damage so while temporary it would still be helpful
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Yeah but Lilac's A.P might still just be too much because as much as i love baldur's shell but I doubt it could stop anything, Also he gets stunned out of the heal if he gets hit with it so it wouldn't allow him to heal
MysticBrawler said:
This revised build also seems like it would work pretty well((Baldur's Shell + Thorns of Agony + Quick Slash + Nailmaster's Glory + Dream Wielder + Grubsong + Weaversong.)
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I don't think baldur's shell or thorns will help at all tbh. Quick Slash is a must if he wants a chance of winning. Nailmaster's glory is a decent shout but my only worry with that is how he is standing still while using naill arts so Lilac could just hit him there and it would be a lot bigger blow for him than it is for Lilac. Even with dram wieldr I doubt he could hit Lilac. For rubsong and weavr song if he can't heal grubsong by itself is kinda bad but since it's with weaversong it gains soul per spider hit however The damage of them isn't great and it would force the knight into a long fight which I doubt he wants since he would have to dodge a lilac who could just easily boost towards him to stay aggressive .
 
Skyrod5861 said:
It Sends her flying in a certain direction with invincibility at will, it lasts for 2-3 seconds and it recharges in 3-5 seconds
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Wait a minute, I checked the earlier posts and you said the recharge time woe recharge time would be around 6-8 seconds
Skyrod5861 said:
The dragon boost covers a lot of distance in 2-3 seconds and it only takes 6-8 seconds to get it back
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So was this a mistake?
Skyrod5861 said:
Yeah but Lilac's A.P might still just be too much because as much as i love baldur's shell but I doubt it could stop anything, Also he gets stunned out of the heal if he gets hit with it so it wouldn't allow him to heal
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I don't really think a 3 times difference is enough for that to be a concern. That's why Thorn's of Agony is paired with it, so that when Lilac tries to attack the Knight while they're healing they will instead get damaged themselves.
Skyrod5861 said:
I don't think baldur's shell or thorns will help at all tbh. Quick Slash is a must if he wants a chance of winning. Nailmaster's glory is a decent shout but my only worry with that is how he is standing still while using naill arts so Lilac could just hit him there and it would be a lot bigger blow for him than it is for Lilac. Even with dram wieldr I doubt he could hit Lilac. For rubsong and weavr song if he can't heal grubsong by itself is kinda bad but since it's with weaversong it gains soul per spider hit however The damage of them isn't great and it would force the knight into a long fight which I doubt he wants since he would have to dodge a lilac who could just easily boost towards him to stay aggressive .
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I'd say they would, but if not then I suppose you could just switch Baldur's Shell for Shape of Unn so that the Knight can move around while healing. Charged attacks are pretty strong so I'd say it's worth it, Dream Wielder on the other can instead be switched for Defender's Crest for passive damage. If Grubsong and Weaversong won't work then I suppose you could switch them with Quick Focus instead.
 
MysticBrawler said:
Wait a minute, I checked the earlier posts and you said the recharge time woe recharge time would be around 6-8 seconds

So was this a mistake?
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Uhh yeah probaby, The 1st one was a guess and for the seccond one I tried counting it myself but it's hard to measure as she can cancel the boost at any point through in order to leave an explosion behind so it's hard to find a full one to measure especially when she stops it early the meter takes less time to get back to full. So mb
MysticBrawler said:
I don't really think a 3 times difference is enough for that to be a concern. That's why Thorn's of Agony is paired with it, so that when Lilac tries to attack the Knight while they're healing they will instead get damaged themselves.
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As I said before though since the knight takes knockback I doubt he will ever hit it more than once since lilac will just adapt
MysticBrawler said:
I'd say they would, but if not then I suppose you could just switch Baldur's Shell for Shape of Unn so that the Knight can move around while healing. Charged attacks are pretty strong so I'd say it's worth it, Dream Wielder on the other can instead be switched for Defender's Crest for passive damage. If Grubsong and Weaversong won't work then I suppose you could switch them with Quick Focus instead.
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I still doubt she would give him time to heal even if he was using shape of unn as lilac would be able to chase him down since she has no reason to be passive
 
Skyrod5861 said:
As I said before though since the knight takes knockback I doubt he will ever hit it more than once since lilac will just adapt
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The knockback the Knight takes from enemies is nowhere near enough to put Lilac out of the Thorns' range
Skyrod5861 said:
I still doubt she would give him time to heal even if he was using shape of unn as lilac would be able to chase him down since she has no reason to be passive
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Quick Focus can boost Shape of Unn's movement speed when it's paired with it, so I'd say it would be pretty helpful.
 
MysticBrawler said:
The knockback the Knight takes from enemies is nowhere near enough to put Lilac out of the Thorns' range
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Yeah but it gives lilac the space to evade
MysticBrawler said:
Quick Focus can boost Shape of Unn's movement speed when it's paired with it, so I'd say it would be pretty helpful.
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Yeah but since Lilac doesn't really have a reason to let him heal so she would just play agressive
 
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