Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[TheStinkeer]

It should have been Infected-but-resisting Shadow vs Zombot Knuckles

At first glance I didn't see the zombot for Knuckles and I read this as "Infected-but-resisting Shadow vs Knuckles" and I imagined Zombot Shadow almost infecting Knuckles but immediately starts punching himself

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

At least Knuckles got a few licks in before getting infected in IDW, Omega got torn to shreds by Zombot Shadow then was left to get scrapped by the Zombot horde.

While in the Archie comics (post-reboot) he easily caught a spin-dash from Shadow and brushed off attacks from a Shadow that mind controlled by the Dark Arms.

The difference is night and day despite Ian Flynn overseen both comics.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

At first glance I didn't see the zombot for Knuckles and I read this as "Infected-but-resisting Shadow vs Knuckles" and I imagined Zombot Shadow almost infecting Knuckles but immediately starts punching himself

It highlights the fact that Knuckles is still "the mountain to Sonic's wind" while making Shadow look cool. Win-win

At least Knuckles got a few licks in before getting infected in IDW, Omega got torn to shreds by Zombot Shadow then was left to get scrapped by the Zombot horde.

While in the Archie comics (post-reboot) he easily caught a spin-dash from Shadow and brushed off attacks from a Shadow that mind controlled by the Dark Arms.

The difference is night and day despite Ian Flynn overseen both comics.

This one pissed me off a lot

 

[TheStinkeer]

Oh yeah would the Phantom Ruby's whole thing with the "a weapon that takes control of people's visual and depth perception to feed false information to the brain, creating a new reality for them. Like a dream so real, if you bump yourself in it, your sleeping self will bruise?" mess up any of the scaling it gets on its own due to it being a virtual reaity? Esp its feat of creating Null Space. I'm like 65% sure it probably doesn't cause of how real and strong it's stated to become but I'd like to get some other opinions on that

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Oh yeah would the Phantom Ruby's whole thing with the "a weapon that takes control of people's visual and depth perception to feed false information to the brain, creating a new reality for them. Like a dream so real, if you bump yourself in it, your sleeping self will bruise?" mess up any of the scaling it gets on its own due to it being a virtual reaity? Esp its feat of creating Null Space. I'm like 65% sure it probably doesn't cause of how real and strong it's stated to become but I'd like to get some other opinions on that

Forces was horrible with explaining what reality warping is. It tries to flip-flop between actual reality warping and illusions. Honestly, I like to imagine it projects illusions so strong it's grafted upon reality itself; tricking reality as a whole. I like to think it's different from how the Emeralds outright warp reality as the warping from the Phantom Ruby is more fleeting while true reality warping from the Emeralds has more permanence.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

This one pissed me off a lot

That unfortunately was the consequence of writing off Shadow from the Zombot saga even it ment Omega getting wrecked (to have "stakes").

 

[StarShooter80]

Have we done any crossworlds revisions yet?

 

[ShakeResounding]

What I mean is he didn't Deadpool that ankle away he still had it for a decent bit of time going from (if I remember correctly) the Eggperial City escape right after issue 50, to Surges rampage to Scrapnik Island. That isn't that much time at all by the standards of healing a broken bone but still that certainly isn't any level of mid tier as far as regeneration is concerned.

IIRC the Scrapnik Island injury is self-contained, as in the injury there has no consequence on the main story. The Surge ankle thing I believe is an injury from a different occasion but I may be misremembering.

Side note, I believe he's fully healed by the Eggperial City arc (when the Diamond Cutters 2.0 are operating) because there is an unspoken time jump (iirc it's directly confirmed by Ian that there's a small time skip between arcs).

 

[ShakeResounding]

Have we done any crossworlds revisions yet?

No, I wanted to wait until Imgur but that is taking longer that expected so tbh I might do a smaller CRT.

I have some stuff prepared for it. Notably, I have a sandbox for the Machines and the stuff granted from Item Boxes sorted out. So I'd argue I have most things in it so far, minus the full Gadget Plate since there are more options in the full game iirc.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Oh yeah would the Phantom Ruby's whole thing with the "a weapon that takes control of people's visual and depth perception to feed false information to the brain, creating a new reality for them. Like a dream so real, if you bump yourself in it, your sleeping self will bruise?" mess up any of the scaling it gets on its own due to it being a virtual reaity?

Not to sound like a prick, but he's just... restating the mechanics of the Ruby that we all have known for nearly a decade. You fundamentally cannot acknowledge the Ruby without acknowledging its powers.

It doesn't change anything because the Phantom Ruby is just an overcomplicated way of conveying "reality warping via subjective reality". Otherworld Comedy proves this, as it's noted Dr. Eggman was using the Cognitive Dissonance Energy the Ruby has to alter the perception of the Earth itself. You need an actual degree of reality warping to perform such a thing.

 

[StarShooter80]

No, I wanted to wait until Imgur but that is taking longer that expected so tbh I might do a smaller CRT.

I have some stuff prepared for it. Notably, I have a sandbox for the Machines and the stuff granted from Item Boxes sorted out. So I'd argue I have most things in it so far, minis the full Gadget Plate since there are more options in the full game iirc.

Thats good to know! ofc take your time with the stuff it's a hefty lot to unpack

 

[TheStinkeer]

Not to sound like a prick, but he's just... restating the mechanics of the Ruby that we all have known for nearly a decade. You fundamentally cannot acknowledge the Ruby without acknowledging its powers.

dw, you don't sound like anything at all! You're just explaining stuff after I asked a question lol

 

[TheStinkeer]

Forces was horrible with explaining what reality warping is. It tries to flip-flop between actual reality warping and illusions. Honestly, I like to imagine it projects illusions so strong it's grafted upon reality itself; tricking reality as a whole.

I would guess that the Ruby would still scale to what it creates regardless if it's simply an illusion because it's noted that its creations of characters like Shadow are as strong as the real thing, and characters would scale to those things if they can fight/destroy it

Like if the Phantom Ruby creates an illusions of a building and a character smashes the building, the character and the Ruby would still get a building level feat as it was still as strong as the real thing is what I'm thinking about

 

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[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Just wanted to ask. Is there an actual scan of how many years in actual combat data Emerl has? Been trying to find the proof, but I can't find it anywhere. It's said he was MADE 4000 years ago and had data from that era, but that isn't to say he has his age in amount of data, right?

 

[TheStinkeer]

Secret Rings devs who never thought of that

I could've wrote this better but hopefully the general idea is there

Was somewhat inspired by how one user on Twitter interpreted Frisk and Chara surviving the ERASE and I thought this was similar to it

 

[MysticMania]

I'm excited to see the writing and level design for Frontiers 2.

 

[TheStinkeer]

I'm excited to see the writing and level design for Frontiers 2.

For the writing I am BEGGING that they don't make two entirely different scripts in ENG and JP, Shadow Generations showed us they can be consistent so I hope they keep it up. Also, I'd love for the soundtrack to be Persona 3 inspired ngl

Also if Sonic ever says "let's do it to it" im destroying the screen /hj

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Is the Master Emerald's ability to make Angel Island float merely Flight with no bearing on statistics or would it be TK/LS for the Master Emerald due to UES?

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Just wanted to ask. Is there an actual scan of how many years in actual combat data Emerl has? Been trying to find the proof, but I can't find it anywhere. It's said he was MADE 4000 years ago and had data from that era, but that isn't to say he has his age in amount of data, right?

^

 

[Causalist]

Is the Master Emerald's ability to make Angel Island float merely Flight with no bearing on statistics or would it be TK/LS for the Master Emerald due to UES?

The latter I think

 

[Theuser789]

It's lifting strength.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

The latter I think

So that should mean the Great Eggman Robo's LS would be Class P, right? Angel Island's weight can be found here

 

[Causalist]

So that should mean the Great Eggman Robo's LS would be Class P, right? Angel Island's weight can be found here

I guess so!

 

[ShakeResounding]

Just wanted to ask. Is there an actual scan of how many years in actual combat data Emerl has? Been trying to find the proof, but I can't find it anywhere. It's said he was MADE 4000 years ago and had data from that era, but that isn't to say he has his age in amount of data, right?

Not sure, but I don't believe it matters for a reason we're all familiar with; the sheer combat data from Emerl crashed Tails' supercomputer, so either way it's an impressive benchmark due to Tails' level of tech.

 

[Fireld]

...

#Justice4Ω

give him a theme of his own different from team dark debut's theme for starters

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Not sure, but I don't believe it matters for a reason we're all familiar with; the sheer combat data from Emerl crashed Tails' supercomputer, so either way it's an impressive benchmark due to Tails' level of tech.

Yeah, it's just that the 4k years of combat data is, technically, unfounded unless there's some evidence to say so. It's just odd to me that there's no actual scan for this. yet it's said it is the case on his profile.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Yeah, it's just that the 4k years of combat data is, technically, unfounded unless there's some evidence to say so. It's just odd to me that there's no actual scan for this. yet it's said it is the case on his profile.

I think it's simply an unfounded relic of the past.

That was on his page since before even I got here iirc.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

I think it's simply an unfounded relic of the past.

That was on his page since before even I got here iirc.

I figured, it was just something I realized.

 

[TheStinkeer]

It's pretty funny how Sonic Superstars just randomly went "btw the Classic cast has time manipulation resistance ur welcome lol" near the end

Same story for Generations just casually going "btw Time Eater erased Classic Sonic's world the same exact way he erased Space Colony ARK and he's fine, so any doubts about Modern Sonic resisting erasure are solved, ur welcome lol"

 

[ShakeResounding]

It's pretty funny how Sonic Superstars just randomly went "btw the Classic cast has time manipulation resistance ur welcome lol" near the end

It's to the point where I legit forget that happened. I forget if the Classic Four even have that resistance on their profile (and if it isn't, we should proooobably fix that lol)

Same story for Generations just casually going "btw Time Eater erased Classic Sonic's world the same exact way he erased Space Colony ARK and he's fine, so any doubts about Modern Sonic resisting erasure are solved, ur welcome lol"

That Shadow Generations cutscene was based af, it wasn't every day a Sonic game shows a character tanking on-screen erasure like a beast.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Going by characters who survived Time Eater's attack, the real Top Tiers are Sonic, Classic Sonic, Classic Tails, Classic Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Black Doom, Omega, Orbot, Cubot & Big.

This is non-negotiable.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Going by characters who survived Time Eater's attack, the real Top Tiers are Sonic, Classic Sonic, Classic Tails, Classic Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Black Doom, Omega, Orbot, Cubot & Big.

But wait, don't forget our true heroes; Sonic Chao and Shadow Chao!

Also, even assuming the lowest interpretation, Big tanking erasure at a bare-minimum universal level simply because he's him is ******* hilarious to me. Also him making Shadow actually smile, that was so damn good too

 

[TMaakkonen]

Sadly I dont think Sonic Team intended Shadow to smile at Big.

 

[ShakeResounding]

That reminds me, why tf did the Shadow one-shot get delayed like 3 times? I doubt they're extending the size or anything so.... what gives???

At this rate we'll have a Year of Charmy Bee before it gets released for real.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Sonic Team sent 100+ sticky notes about Shadow so it got delayed, surely. No way the story did not get changed.

I do find it interesting that many IDW writers seem to portray Shadow in a way that Sonic Team doesnt like. How many times has it happened?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Sonic Team sent 100+ sticky notes about Shadow so it got delayed, surely. No way the story did not get changed.

Wait wait, this was confirmed stuff or is this a joke? Because if so, that will probably be a lot of vindication to those who claim IDW has no idea how to handle the character. User, wya homie?!

I imagine the changes proooobably amount to strictly dialogue but I guess we'll just have to wait until the writers talk about it further post-release.

I do find it interesting that many IDW writers seem to portray Shadow in a way that Sonic Team doesnt like. How many times has it happened?

Several times iirc, such as the notorious inhibitor-ring-removal against the Zombots.

It's actually quite sad that they can't grasp this character and/or want to alter him to be something he isn't, like trying to make him more like Archie Shadow for example. Bleh. Evan Stanley is an exception, iirc she has a good grasp on him but her downside comes with her UwU Silver

 

[DaReaperMan]

I refuse to call him Shadow when he's the rival in Crossworlds, it's always "Edgelord"

 

[TheStinkeer]

Going by characters who survived Time Eater's attack, the real Top Tiers are Sonic, Classic Sonic, Classic Tails, Classic Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Black Doom, Omega, Orbot, Cubot & Big.

This is non-negotiable.

Possibly Dodon Pa as well, since White Space is a track in Crossworlds

Also idk if Classic Tails survived it considering his modern counterpart was erased

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wait wait, this was confirmed stuff or is this a joke? Because if so, that will probably be a lot of vindication to those who claim IDW has no idea how to handle the character. User, wya homie?!

I imagine the changes proooobably amount to strictly dialogue but I guess we'll just have to wait until the writers talk about it further post-release.

This is a joke lmao
Well, I do base it on the fact that Ian said that Shadow gets most notes about him and all the times he complained about it too.

Several times iirc, such as the notorious inhibitor-ring-removal against the Zombots.

It's actually quite sad that they can't grasp this character and/or want to alter him to be something he isn't, like trying to make him more like Archie Shadow for example. Bleh. Evan Stanley is an exception, iirc she has a good grasp on him but her downside comes with her UwU Silver

I really find latest one funny. Sonic Team didnt want Shadow to use a sword because "you know, if he used a sword against Sonic he'd be going for the kill".

"UwU" Silver is funny, because not only is Silver kinda serious in JP scripts, doesnt he actually use rude character pronounces? I kinda like Silver not being serious like Shadow, but thats arguably biggest character read misses from Western writers.

Honestly, Western mindset is probably way different than one would expect.