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Test Match 2: Evolution VS Innovation

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Breaking my rule of not making matches with my own characters because @ActuallySpaceMan42 wants me to run it back after the last one. MEGA would never run from a fight anyway.

MEGA (The Ark Collection) VS Su Zhou (Monsters Die When They Are Killed)​


Match Conditions:
  • MEGA will be in "Post-Limbo" key; with it being assumed he has access to his "Inside of Limbo" abilities. (3-A)
  • Su Zhou will be in his "Torch Sun Primordial Form Heavenly Emperor" key. (3-B)
  • Speed is equalized (This is going to be extremely weird for this matchup for reasons I will go over next).
  • Nothing more to say here for now...
Notes: AP is probably irrelevant so I won't ever go over that. As for speed, if speed is equalized... it means that they are both Speed of Light in combat speed, but MEGA still retains his immeasurable speed reactions, while Su Zhou retains his immeasurable travel and flight speed with his "Path Unifying Armament." Idk how this will work, but yeah...

Su Zhou has one of the longest pages I have ever seen so this is quite the match...
 
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So what does MEGA start with? Su Zhou's a pretty straightforward guy, so his first move is going to just be rushing in and cutting MEGA down.
 
So what does MEGA start with? Su Zhou's a pretty straightforward guy, so his first move is going to just be rushing in and cutting MEGA down.
Well like I mentioned in DMs the first thing is getting over the passive aura which is...

High 1-A in potency (probably layered somewhere in Meta-Quality? I genuinely can't be bothered with the specifics)

In it's basic state, it is essentially a willpower check. The weakest effect of it is you becoming MEGA's servant and wishing to provide him with everything you have to offer. Depending on megas emotions throughout the battle, it can take on more powerful forms. During rage, for example, it's capable of transmitting his sheer bloodlust and murderous intent into your soul and instantly killing you. It can also turn you so mad and insane that you begin to devour yourself.

There are like a dozen different things it can do. They're all listed on the page. Though it is possible to avoid them all by simply having a strong enough will. How strong? I genuinely have no idea how to quantify it for the purpose of a VSBW fight. So maybe we should just go on vibes? 😭

Assuming Su Zhou gets past it (I would hope so, otherwise this would be a stomp), then MEGA would go for his more basic stuff, like trying to rip him apart via messing with his electron bonds or degrading the electromagnetic forces holding him together.

Beyond that, pretty straightforward. Sword fighter. Except not really because his sword skilled are also massively busted. Mentioned in the last fight.

Lots of probability manipulation with his sword things. Cutting and changing what will happen via "skill" and whatever.
 
Though it is possible to avoid them all by simply having a strong enough will. How strong? I genuinely have no idea how to quantify it for the purpose of a VSBW fight. So maybe we should just go on vibes? 😭
I assume you could just compare their willpower feats to those of ark characters that can handle the aura no problem. The page is huge, so there might be something there that's reasonably similar
 
Well like I mentioned in DMs the first thing is getting over the passive aura which is...

High 1-A in potency (probably layered somewhere in Meta-Quality? I genuinely can't be bothered with the specifics)

In it's basic state, it is essentially a willpower check. The weakest effect of it is you becoming MEGA's servant and wishing to provide him with everything you have to offer. Depending on megas emotions throughout the battle, it can take on more powerful forms. During rage, for example, it's capable of transmitting his sheer bloodlust and murderous intent into your soul and instantly killing you. It can also turn you so mad and insane that you begin to devour yourself.

There are like a dozen different things it can do. They're all listed on the page. Though it is possible to avoid them all by simply having a strong enough will. How strong? I genuinely have no idea how to quantify it for the purpose of a VSBW fight. So maybe we should just go on vibes? 😭
Well, Willpower in the verse is already sort of smurfed, so everyone has supernatural willpower capable of changing fate, time, and all that good stuff from the get-go.

Su Zhou has a willpower check as well, and a sanity check, but considering how strong MEGA is, the Fear Manipulation and Madness Manipulation are sort of irrelevant.
Assuming Su Zhou gets past it (I would hope so, otherwise this would be a stomp), then MEGA would go for his more basic stuff, like trying to rip him apart via messing with his electron bonds or degrading the electromagnetic forces holding him together.

Beyond that, pretty straightforward. Sword fighter. Except not really because his sword skilled are also massively busted. Mentioned in the last fight.

Lots of probability manipulation with his sword things. Cutting and changing what will happen via "skill" and whatever.
Well, the first thing I have to bring up is Su Zhou's most OP defense [Indestructible Soul].

It's a power of rejection. Put simply, it allows him to reject anything and isolate himself from the external world. It's a form of subjective idealism, and as long as the attack falls out of Su Zhou's recognition, even nonexistent attacks can be blocked. This is one of his most smurfed abilities.

Its weakness, though, is that it only works against people whom he can't understand. Like, if their morals and goals are too far off for Su Zhou to even consider their viewpoint in life. So it really comes down to what kind of person MEGA is. Su Zhou is a massive justice junky, so it depends on how many people MEGA has killed, for what reaso, and how he feels about it.
 
Well, Willpower in the verse is already sort of smurfed, so everyone has supernatural willpower capable of changing fate, time, and all that good stuff from the get-go.
Same with MEGA.



Well, the first thing I have to bring up is Su Zhou's most OP defense [Indestructible Soul].

It's a power of rejection. Put simply, it allows him to reject anything and isolate himself from the external world. It's a form of subjective idealism, and as long as the attack falls out of Su Zhou's recognition, even nonexistent attacks can be blocked. This is one of his most smurfed abilities.

Its weakness, though, is that it only works against people whom he can't understand. Like, if their morals and goals are too far off for Su Zhou to even consider their viewpoint in life. So it really comes down to what kind of person MEGA is. Su Zhou is a massive justice junky, so it depends on how many people MEGA has killed, for what reaso, and how he feels about it.
This is interesting! I can talk about lore???

So you need to know what kind of worldview MEGA has .. I'll summarize.

MEGA is morally gray. His main and ultimate goal is to become some form of benevolent dictator over the world, in order to change it for the better. More specifically, as an embodiment of progression and evolution, he believes that with him as the driving force behind society, his rule will allow him to accelerated the Ark's growth to its pinnacle. He wants to help everyone reach their natural peak without being dragged down by forces acting against them. He actively wished to help everyone as individually as possible while also obliterating all of those antagonistic forces.

He believes he is the only one in the world who can pull off such a thing. And that he is the only one in the world that can make it happen. You see, the setting is grotesquely dark, edgy, and grim. There are a multitude of other people in it who also believe they should be on top, though they are far from benevolent most of the time. Really, everyone is at least some shade of evil. MEGA is no different. He's better than most, but he's still, at the end of the day, trying to become a dictator, which means stripping the rest of the world of some freedoms. He acknowledges this but firmly believes the benefits of his leadership would far outweigh the cons, to the point that nobody would ever think of changing that.

Whether or not that will be the case remains to be seen. So far, he has managed to topple some extremely terrible authoritarian forced though. And genocided an entire territory of demons who were terrorizing the world in various ways. Mostly good things.

So, you tell me.
 
In that case, Indestructible Soul can be nulled as a factor. Su Zhou is friends with this one emperor who's just like how you described MEGA, which is pretty funny.

Anyway, now we can really start the match.

Assuming Su Zhou gets past it (I would hope so, otherwise this would be a stomp), then MEGA would go for his more basic stuff, like trying to rip him apart via messing with his electron bonds or degrading the electromagnetic forces holding him together.
This likely wouldn't work. Su Zhou has something called [Immutable Matter] covering his entire body.

Beyond that, pretty straightforward. Sword fighter. Except not really because his sword skilled are also massively busted. Mentioned in the last fight.

Lots of probability manipulation with his sword things. Cutting and changing what will happen via "skill" and whatever.
Well, there are a few things we can go over here.

Su Zhou arguably possesses one of the most broken forms of Precognition on the entire wiki.

Even beings near his level can already sense danger long before it occurs, with premonitions so precise that area-of-effect attacks are often the only reliable way to strike them.

However, Su Zhou’s [Seal of Reincarnation] takes this far beyond normal foresight. It allows him to perceive Causality (the chain of all cause and effect), Reincarnation (the increase and decrease of all things across cycles), and Fate (the overarching script behind existence, including stuff that lie beyond that script).

More terrifyingly, his precognition is recursive. Su Zhou can foresee the future actions of others, and foresee their foresight, and foresee them foreseeing his foresight. Meaning, unless you have precognition that can infinitely loop and see through his own, he will be able to predict you, even if you predict him.
 
This likely wouldn't work. Su Zhou has something called [Immutable Matter] covering his entire body.
Considering MEGA's manipulation of electromagnetism is completely psychic and can attack internally, is there anything preventing him from just... bypassing the armor around his body?

Also, is there any smurfery / layers attached to that resistance? MEGA's electromagnetic powers have been able to bypass/ignore/overpower various forms of resistance.


Su Zhou arguably possesses one of the most broken forms of Precognition on the entire wiki.

Even beings near his level can already sense danger long before it occurs, with premonitions so precise that area-of-effect attacks are often the only reliable way to strike them.

However, Su Zhou’s [Seal of Reincarnation] takes this far beyond normal foresight. It allows him to perceive Causality (the chain of all cause and effect), Reincarnation (the increase and decrease of all things across cycles), and Fate (the overarching script behind existence, including stuff that lie beyond that script).

More terrifyingly, his precognition is recursive. Su Zhou can foresee the future actions of others, and foresee their foresight, and foresee them foreseeing his foresight. Meaning, unless you have precognition that can infinitely loop and see through his own, he will be able to predict you, even if you predict him.
As great as that sounds, Reincarnates in Ark are likely completely immune to it by virtue of their Type 2/4 Acausality, which makes them cosmological singularities. There is no predetermined future or past regarding their existences. You wouldn't even be able to see them in the future, nor anything that would be affected by them. It is to the point that even if you were to invent your own directions of time which ran perpendicular to normal time, they would still be a singularity upon that new axis.

They essentially only possess their own, subjective axis of causality that constantly changes with them. Which is distinct from the structure of the universe entirely. So trying to use precognition, time travel, time manipulation, etc—is basically completely useless.

As for analytical prediction types, MEGA has similar levels of scaling. If this becomes a skill debate, we might be here for a long while.

The most basic stuff I could bring up is that an inferior MEGA to the one in this key is already at the level, where, if you aren't planning thousands of actions ahead in battle, you instantly lose the fight. It's to the point that characters are described to be fighting against "thoughts MEGA had thousands of moves ago." He also has enough processing power to predict a literally infinite amount of clones attacking him from across space and time simultaneously. With each of those clones being a copy of a character named Myrme, who herself is ridiculously skilled. Like, predicting attacks that time travel across years type of skilled.

Also worth noting that he grows at an absurd rate in battle as well. He can go from being drowned beneath someone else's premonitions to absolutely rocking their shit in just a couple of strikes. He also has that crazy Saitama-ahh type of evolution where even if you copy him he just exceeds the copy anyway. And even if you grow at the same rate as him, his rate of growth itself also exponentially grows until it overwhelms yours.
 
Considering MEGA's manipulation of electromagnetism is completely psychic and can attack internally, is there anything preventing him from just... bypassing the armor around his body?
Well, it has NPI, meaning it can interact with incorporeal forces and whatnot. In fact, it can even absorb and seal powers.
Also, is there any smurfery / layers attached to that resistance? MEGA's electromagnetic powers have been able to bypass/ignore/overpower various forms of resistance.
Well, it ignores all forms of resistance, obstacles, etc. Unless it encounters a power of equal magnitude, but that would require something a Meta-Layer above Supra.


As great as that sounds, Reincarnates in Ark are likely completely immune to it by virtue of their Type 2/4 Acausality, which makes them cosmological singularities. There is no predetermined future or past regarding their existences. You wouldn't even be able to see them in the future, nor anything that would be affected by them. It is to the point that even if you were to invent your own directions of time which ran perpendicular to normal time, they would still be a singularity upon that new axis.
Funny you mention that, because the [Seal of Reincarnation] is specifically able to view the past and origins of someone, even if they have no history of reincarnation.

They essentially only possess their own, subjective axis of causality that constantly changes with them. Which is distinct from the structure of the universe entirely. So trying to use precognition, time travel, time manipulation, etc—is basically completely useless.
Su Zhou is similar, yet even his seemingly non-existent fate is still part of a grander fate. Even free will itself is part of fate. Best quote I can find to describe it.
Fate is what must happen. Fate is irresistible. Fate is now, the past, and the future-not immutable, yet even change itself is fated. No living being escapes destiny, no matter how humans rage against the heavens declaring "my life is mine to command." Fate remains. For shouting, indignation, and rebellion against fate-these too are absolute destiny. Conversely, if one insists life is inherently free, that freedom of choice is absolute... then isn't free will itself a form of fate?

As for analytical prediction types, MEGA has similar levels of scaling. If this becomes a skill debate, we might be here for a long while.

The most basic stuff I could bring up is that an inferior MEGA to the one in this key is already at the level, where, if you aren't planning thousands of actions ahead in battle, you instantly lose the fight. It's to the point that characters are described to be fighting against "thoughts MEGA had thousands of moves ago." He also has enough processing power to predict a literally infinite amount of clones attacking him from across space and time simultaneously. With each of those clones being a copy of a character named Myrme, who herself is ridiculously skilled. Like, predicting attacks that time travel across years type of skilled.
I don't mind turning this into a skill debate.

Su Zhou has reached the point where he can unleash [Perfect Strikes], attacks capable of shattering all obstacles, including space and time themselves. Even if his strike clashes with another attack designated as the “Protagonist” of fate, Su Zhou’s Perfect Strike will simply be reborn infinitely, growing stronger each time until even the force that initially stopped it becomes ineffective.

So essentially, Infinite Reactive Evolution on an attack. This is one of his smurfier abilities, mind you.
Also worth noting that he grows at an absurd rate in battle as well. He can go from being drowned beneath someone else's premonitions to absolutely rocking their shit in just a couple of strikes. He also has that crazy Saitama-ahh type of evolution where even if you copy him he just exceeds the copy anyway. And even if you grow at the same rate as him, his rate of growth itself also exponentially grows until it overwhelms yours.
Su Zhou possesses several techniques specifically designed to counter opponents who rely on RE.

The first is his Divine Staff, which accelerates and refines an opponent’s thoughts to a supernatural degree, forcing them into a constant state of enlightenment. However, this enlightenment becomes a curse: their mind is pushed to such extremes that they begin overanalyzing everything, even trivial matters, until their focus collapses under its own weight.

The second is a sacred flame that ignites and consumes all latent potential within the target, forcing them into an endless cycle of evolution. This uncontrolled development rapidly deforms them, accelerating without limit. Any power to resist the evolution merely becomes additional fuel for it, until they are just reduced to ash.
 
Funny you mention that, because the [Seal of Reincarnation] is specifically able to view the past and origins of someone, even if they have no history of reincarnation.
How does it work, exactly? Because the world itself is unaware of the timestream of Reincarnates. It might as well not exist for them.

Even characters who have BFR'd Reincarnates into their own version of the world with their own laws and such were still incapable of ever viewing their pasts or futures.

The future/fate itself would never really be anything set in stone for MEGA anyway since his willpower is passively manipulating possibility, even at the level of the narrative. The entire basis of Reincarnates is that they have broken free of fate and can not be shackled by any law that tells them what to do, essentially. Not even the words on the page. Even characters who could read the script/plot/story could not foresee MEGA's actions because of this factor.

Su Zhou has reached the point where he can unleash [Perfect Strikes], attacks capable of shattering all obstacles, including space and time themselves. Even if his strike clashes with another attack designated as the “Protagonist” of fate, Su Zhou’s Perfect Strike will simply be reborn infinitely, growing stronger each time until even the force that initially stopped it becomes ineffective.
MEGA has funnily enough also evolved skills such as his "All-Severing Lightning Sword" or "Trajectory of Victory," which were stated to be perfect techniques which similarly do things like bypassing space, time, distance, obstacles, etc. Like verbatim as well lol. And MEGA later evolved to the point where he saw that "perfection" as being full of flaws. Despite those same skills being able to pretty much just paint over what is possible as he pleases. He can literally just slash his sword into being the truth of the universe, because the arc of his blade is so perfect that the universe must adapt itself to mirror it. He can also just not acknowledge the possibility of someone actually being able to hit him, and through doing that, the universe believes it to be true, so that just doesn't happen.

So essentially, Infinite Reactive Evolution on an attack. This is one of his smurfier abilities, mind you.
Uncertain how that would even work because MEGA would just grow with him. Each time his strike grew MEGA would just instantly match it?

The first is his Divine Staff, which accelerates and refines an opponent’s thoughts to a supernatural degree, forcing them into a constant state of enlightenment. However, this enlightenment becomes a curse: their mind is pushed to such extremes that they begin overanalyzing everything, even trivial matters, until their focus collapses under its own weight.
I am doubtful such a thing would even work on MEGA lmao. Considering his ability to focus on infinite opponents and their intricacies at once, i think it is unlikely his "enlightenment" would ever overwhelm him. If anything that would just make MEGA even more of a threat to him? You are basically accelerating his own growth. MEGA's mind also grows as well. Why wouldn't he just become capable of taking in all the information you are pushing on him? Similar characters such as Paraco are capable of interpreting information on a universal scale without having their minds collapse either. Even while being hyper-aware of things like what the birds in the sky are thinking or viewing the entire history of a water molecule in the air. And they can have that stuff in their mind all at once.

MEGA also explicitly is capable of continuing to fight against characters who pump his mind with an infinite amount of information (literally like being in Gojo's Domain expansion on steroids).

The second is a sacred flame that ignites and consumes all latent potential within the target, forcing them into an endless cycle of evolution. This uncontrolled development rapidly deforms them, accelerating without limit. Any power to resist the evolution merely becomes additional fuel for it, until they are just reduced to ash.
MEGA has actually resisted his own reactive evolution being inverted in on himself so I don't even think this world work either. In a very similar way as well, as his reactive evolution became fuel for "devolution" and ended up turning him into the most "useless" organism. Basically just a completely defenseless, squirming pile of flesh.
 
How does it work, exactly? Because the world itself is unaware of the timestream of Reincarnates. It might as well not exist for them.

Even characters who have BFR'd Reincarnates into their own version of the world with their own laws and such were still incapable of ever viewing their pasts or futures.

The future/fate itself would never really be anything set in stone for MEGA anyway since his willpower is passively manipulating possibility, even at the level of the narrative. The entire basis of Reincarnates is that they have broken free of fate and can not be shackled by any law that tells them what to do, essentially. Not even the words on the page. Even characters who could read the script/plot/story could not foresee MEGA's actions because of this factor.
Su Zhou is not reading his fate or future; that is not what Reincarnation represents. Reincarnation concerns the endless ebb and flow of existence, the infinite nesting of dual states that define all things. One may transcend [Reincarnation], only to find that even the realm one has ascended to undergoes its own cycles. And then do it again, and find an even grander cycle, and that in and of itself is a cycle of reincarnation.

This recursive structure applies even to Acausality Type 4 beings who exist outside the logical framework of the world around them and the story it enscribes for all beings that are a part of it.
MEGA has funnily enough also evolved skills such as his "All-Severing Lightning Sword" or "Trajectory of Victory," which were stated to be perfect techniques which similarly do things like bypassing space, time, distance, obstacles, etc. Like verbatim as well lol. And MEGA later evolved to the point where he saw that "perfection" as being full of flaws. Despite those same skills being able to pretty much just paint over what is possible as he pleases. He can literally just slash his sword into being the truth of the universe, because the arc of his blade is so perfect that the universe must adapt itself to mirror it. He can also just not acknowledge the possibility of someone actually being able to hit him, and through doing that, the universe believes it to be true, so that just doesn't happen.

Uncertain how that would even work because MEGA would just grow with him. Each time his strike grew MEGA would just instantly match it?
Same here. Strikes that are the protagonists of Fate will never miss, never fail to wound, and never fail to cripple their target. They are inevitable, formless, and intangible truths as absolute as life’s eventual death or light’s casting of shadow. They cannot be defied, blocked, resisted, or countered by any skill or defense. They cleave through spacetime itself and are immune to interference or alteration of their trajectory.

But Su Zhou's [Perfect Strikes] can counter them anyway, and endlessly refine their perfection beyond even that. As for Mega growing alongside it, I suppose he could, but then he would just be dealing with it the entire match.

I am doubtful such a thing would even work on MEGA lmao. Considering his ability to focus on infinite opponents and their intricacies at once, i think it is unlikely his "enlightenment" would ever overwhelm him. If anything that would just make MEGA even more of a threat to him? You are basically accelerating his own growth. MEGA's mind also grows as well. Why wouldn't he just become capable of taking in all the information you are pushing on him? Similar characters such as Paraco are capable of interpreting information on a universal scale without having their minds collapse either. Even while being hyper-aware of things like what the birds in the sky are thinking or viewing the entire history of a water molecule in the air. And they can have that stuff in their mind all at once.
It never grants any useful insights; that's kind of just how it works. Likewise, it expands the cognition of whoever it's used on, so whatever he comprehends would be something he never bothered to comprehend before. And this would just be happening constantly. Since MEGA has infinite processing power, he would just think infinitely about infinitely insignificant matters. And if his mind grows, he would just have more space for even more insignificant stuff.

MEGA also explicitly is capable of continuing to fight against characters who pump his mind with an infinite amount of information (literally like being in Gojo's Domain expansion on steroids).
Well, Su Zhou won't be pumping his mind full of anything. MEGA will just turn ALL of his attention onto something useless.

MEGA has actually resisted his own reactive evolution being inverted in on himself so I don't even think this world work either.
Fair enough.
 
Su Zhou is not reading his fate or future; that is not what Reincarnation represents. Reincarnation concerns the endless ebb and flow of existence, the infinite nesting of dual states that define all things. One may transcend [Reincarnation], only to find that even the realm one has ascended to undergoes its own cycles. And then do it again, and find an even grander cycle, and that in and of itself is a cycle of reincarnation.

This recursive structure applies even to Acausality Type 4 beings who exist outside the logical framework of the world around them and the story it enscribes for all beings that are a part of it.
So what exactly are you arguing? Because I just don't think precognition is working on MEGA whatsoever since even his story is not something you can find/see and MEGA passively alters his own story anyway.


Same here. Strikes that are the protagonists of Fate will never miss, never fail to wound, and never fail to cripple their target. They are inevitable, formless, and intangible truths as absolute as life’s eventual death or light’s casting of shadow. They cannot be defied, blocked, resisted, or countered by any skill or defense. They cleave through spacetime itself and are immune to interference or alteration of their trajectory.

But Su Zhou's [Perfect Strikes] can counter them anyway, and endlessly refine their perfection beyond even that. As for Mega growing alongside it, I suppose he could, but then he would just be dealing with it the entire match.
I mean, he would just be passively dealing with that? His own skills would evolve and Perfect Strike would also evolve. So it would seem they cancel out.


It never grants any useful insights; that's kind of just how it works. Likewise, it expands the cognition of whoever it's used on, so whatever he comprehends would be something he never bothered to comprehend before. And this would just be happening constantly. Since MEGA has infinite processing power, he would just think infinitely about infinitely insignificant matters. And if his mind grows, he would just have more space for even more insignificant stuff.
Yeah I don't really see that being a problem when he can focus on stuff despite being bombarded with infinite information about the cosmos at the same time. Even if only an infinitesimal amount of his brain is focused on combating Su Zhou, it wouldn't change much.
 
So what exactly are you arguing? Because I just don't think precognition is working on MEGA whatsoever since even his story is not something you can find/see and MEGA passively alters his own story anyway.
Just saying MEGA can alter his story all he wants, but it won't stop Su Zhou from reading his Reincarnation and being able to get an outline of what's going to happen.

I mean, he would just be passively dealing with that? His own skills would evolve and Perfect Strike would also evolve. So it would seem they cancel out.
From what I can see, MEGA doesn't have infinite stamina. Does MEGA have some kind of auto-homing, evolving skills that will hold Perfect Strike back, or is he going to have to do it manually? If so, what's stopping Su Zhou from throwing out another one, and then another? Su Zhou doesn't have to stick around for the strikes to operate on their own.

Yeah I don't really see that being a problem when he can focus on stuff despite being bombarded with infinite information about the cosmos at the same time. Even if only an infinitesimal amount of his brain is focused on combating Su Zhou, it wouldn't change much.
That's not how attention works. Being bombarded with infinite information is different than willingly turning your attention away from your opponent, because you think something else is more interesting.

Unless MEGA has two minds or something, he's simply not going to feel like paying attention to Su Zhou.
 
Just saying MEGA can alter his story all he wants, but it won't stop Su Zhou from reading his Reincarnation and being able to get an outline of what's going to happen.
Can you explain what the "Reincarnation" is, exactly? You said it was the infinite dual nesting of informative states. I am still on the fact that MEGA would not possess those either. Plot in Ark also concerns infinite states of information. The story is literally built upon said information. And where normally there is just two states, 1 and 0, in Ark there is an infinite number of variable states.
From what I can see, MEGA doesn't have infinite stamina. Does MEGA have some kind of auto-homing, evolving skills that will hold Perfect Strike back, or is he going to have to do it manually? If so, what's stopping Su Zhou from throwing out another one, and then another? Su Zhou doesn't have to stick around for the strikes to operate on their own.
Perhaps I am getting confused on what Perfect Strike does?

Are you saying he attacks, and if that attack is overwhelmed, the attack gets reborn to become stronger?

I don't have much clarity on this.

What, precisely, happens when MEGA's attack clashes against [Perfect Strike]? And is there anything preventing MEGA from just destroying [Perfect Strike] itself?

As for auto-homing, evolving skills. Yeah. MEGA actually does have Quantum Sharks which emanate off of his sword swings. The sharks home onto every version of the target across possibility and devour all of them, until there is no version of the world where they remain. The sharks also evolve and absorb energy.

That's not how attention works. Being bombarded with infinite information is different than willingly turning your attention away from your opponent, because you think something else is more interesting.
Oh, well then that sounds more like a form of mind manipulation then, if you are actively diverting his attention. In which case, I would ask if Su Zhou can interact with a Supra-Quality level Soul, which is where MEGA's mind resides.

The first is his Divine Staff, which accelerates and refines an opponent’s thoughts to a supernatural degree, forcing them into a constant state of enlightenment. However, this enlightenment becomes a curse: their mind is pushed to such extremes that they begin overanalyzing everything, even trivial matters, until their focus collapses under its own weight.

There's also the issue that MEGA's "brain" =/= "mind." Essentially, you can interact with MEGA's mind by interfering with his brain's perception. But in order to actually interfere with his mind directly you'd need some really crazy levels of NPI.
 
Can you explain what the "Reincarnation" is, exactly? You said it was the infinite dual nesting of informative states.
Reincarnation is any type of increase or decrease. Getting tired, eating and making yourself full, losing money, destroying something, etc, all of this falls under Reincarnation. Su Zhou can see all of these. He's not predicting your future or story; he's just seeing all of these fluctuations that have happened and will happen.

I am still on the fact that MEGA would not possess those either. Plot in Ark also concerns infinite states of information. The story is literally built upon said information. And where normally there is just two states, 1 and 0, in Ark there is an infinite number of variable states.
Reincarnation already transcends infinite states of logic and non-logic.

Perhaps I am getting confused on what Perfect Strike does?

Are you saying he attacks, and if that attack is overwhelmed, the attack gets reborn to become stronger?

I don't have much clarity on this.

What, precisely, happens when MEGA's attack clashes against [Perfect Strike]? And is there anything preventing MEGA from just destroying [Perfect Strike] itself?
Su Zhou’s [Perfect Strikes] remain completely unaffected by any degree of external force. In fact, the more they are suppressed or resisted, the more refined they become. Each strike continuously revives and restores itself until whatever initially halted it can no longer do so.

Essentially, this means that MEGA would need to unleash an attack that can continuously grow and evolve alongside Su Zhou’s strikes; otherwise, he will be overwhelmed by their ever-increasing pressure, as Su Zhou can keep launching them with every attack.

And then it becomes a matter of how long MEGA can keep that up.
As for auto-homing, evolving skills. Yeah. MEGA actually does have Quantum Sharks which emanate off of his sword swings. The sharks home onto every version of the target across possibility and devour all of them, until there is no version of the world where they remain. The sharks also evolve and absorb energy.
Gotcha.

Oh, well then that sounds more like a form of mind manipulation then, if you are actively diverting his attention. In which case, I would ask if Su Zhou can interact with a Supra-Quality level Soul, which is where MEGA's mind resides.
Su Zhou shouldn't have any issue finding it, it's just a matter of if he can find a chance to go after it while fighting MEGA.

There's also the issue that MEGA's "brain" =/= "mind." Essentially, you can interact with MEGA's mind by interfering with his brain's perception. But in order to actually interfere with his mind directly you'd need some really crazy levels of NPI.
Su Zhou can interact with whatever he can see (Not in an NLF way, I check if there's something similar in the verse he's been able to see before). But it kinda depends on how metaphysical it is.
 
Reincarnation already transcends infinite states of logic and non-logic.
Same here since Reincarnate Souls transcend the narrative, which contains said states.

Su Zhou’s [Perfect Strikes] remain completely unaffected by any degree of external force. In fact, the more they are suppressed or resisted, the more refined they become. Each strike continuously revives and restores itself until whatever initially halted it can no longer do so.

Essentially, this means that MEGA would need to unleash an attack that can continuously grow and evolve alongside Su Zhou’s strikes; otherwise, he will be overwhelmed by their ever-increasing pressure, as Su Zhou can keep launching them with every attack.

And then it becomes a matter of how long MEGA can keep that up.
What I am asking is if MEGA could attack the concept/essence of the strike itself, or even just prevent it from happening via erasing the possibility of it happening.

Also, still confused. Are you saying his strike itself becomes an entity of its own which evolves?

If so, can probably be countered with the Quantum Sharks. They would just end up battling against each other I suppose.

Su Zhou shouldn't have any issue finding it, it's just a matter of if he can find a chance to go after it while fighting MEGA.
Finding it? The Reincarnate Soul exists beyond the narrative 😅

Su Zhou can interact with whatever he can see (Not in an NLF way, I check if there's something similar in the verse he's been able to see before). But it kinda depends on how metaphysical it is.
Idk how he would be able to see it. It's like asking if you could see God.
 
Same here since Reincarnate Souls transcend the narrative, which contains said states.
In that case, it'll just come down to a Tiering battle. Reincarnation is one of those things above Supra Cosmology-wise atm.

What I am asking is if MEGA could attack the concept/essence of the strike itself, or even just prevent it from happening via erasing the possibility of it happening.
The essence of the strike is [Perfection], which is just like Reincarnation Tiering-wise.

Finding it? The Reincarnate Soul exists beyond the narrative 😅
Su Zhou can see the Lines of Immortality, the conceptual connections that act as the foundation of the Immortality of whatever person he's finding, and it lets him eradicate the source of that Immortality.

He also has Supra-level Dimensional Travel, so he could definitely go and hunt it down.
Idk how he would be able to see it. It's like asking if you could see God.
Depends on how fundamental it is. Just give me a list of requirements.
 
In that case, it'll just come down to a Tiering battle. Reincarnation is one of those things above Supra Cosmology-wise atm.
How far above?

The essence of the strike is [Perfection], which is just like Reincarnation Tiering-wise.
Damn. Is the strike itself super high tier?

Depends on how fundamental it is. Just give me a list of requirements.
It is an above Supra-Quality abstraction.

More fundamental than concept, information, essence, narrative, all on that scale. It also has Acausality Type 5.

Attempting to peer into a Reincarnate Soul also results in madness manipulation type 3 which simultaneously floods your mind with "MEGA, MEGA, MEGA..." over and over again.

Btw how fundamental are Su Zhou's aspects and can they be destroyed/altered?
 
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How far above?
3rd highest in the Cosmology, right under the High 1-A+ and Tier 0 Stuff.

Basically, Su Zhou spent a bunch of time studying stuff like [Reincarnation], [Perfection], etc, and developed techniques that utilize their essence. They aren't an end all be-all, but there's no nullifying them or stopping them.
Damn. Is the strike itself super high tier?
No, just its essence. That's why I was saying it can be held off, but there's no chance it's going to be stopped, so MEGA is going to have to deal with it through the entire match.
It is an above Supra-Quality abstraction.

More fundamental than concept, information, essence, narrative, all on that scale. It also has Acausality Type 5.

Attempting to peer into a Reincarnate Soul also results in madness manipulation type 3 which simultaneously floods your mind with "MEGA, MEGA, MEGA..." over and over again.
Su Zhou only has one move that can get past all of that, which is his comprehension of [Twilight]. It's capable of affecting boundaries, which are more fundamental than the stuff you mentioned.

The only issue is that it has a weakness. As long as its target understands that resisting is futile and gives up on trying to resist, the attack will stop before it hits them.
Btw how fundamental are Su Zhou's aspects and can they be destroyed/altered?
He has High-Godly.

If you want to kill him, you need to destroy;
  • His Spirit (Soul, Wisdom & Consciousness)
  • His Power, and anyone he's ever passed it onto, like his disciples.
  • The Idea of him, which remains no matter how much it's twisted, reinterpreted, maliciously altered, or shifted in phrase. It's born from the desire to improve the world and help everyone understand truth and reasoning.
  • Every Virtue, Deed, and Word he's ever produced, including if he wrote his name down at some random point.
  • His Path/Dao, which represents his thoughts, obsessions, beliefs, and desires. It's inscribed into the most fundamental level of existence, forming Akashic Records, which is Information, Data, Mathematics, Story, History, etc.
Then, after that, you need to kill him 2 or 3 more times since he can come back to life using his True Spirit. You can't destroy his True Spirit; the High 1-A+ Beings made a rule about that.

Then you need to destroy his small universe embryo, since it will follow him when he enters reincarnation, and help him rapidly reclaim his peak after his death.
 
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3rd highest in the Cosmology, right under the High 1-A+ and Tier 0 Stuff.

Basically, Su Zhou spent a bunch of time studying stuff like [Reincarnation], [Perfection], etc, and developed techniques that utilize their essence. They aren't an end all be-all, but there's no nullifying them or stopping them.
Yeah MEGA does not have anything that high.


No, just its essence. That's why I was saying it can be held off, but there's no chance it's going to be stopped, so MEGA is going to have to deal with it through the entire match.
Quantum Sharks can probably be a fine counter then. Since that is basically his own entity which projects off his attacks

If you want to kill him, you need to destroy;
  • His Spirit (Soul, Wisdom & Consciousness)
  • His Power, and anyone he's ever passed it onto, like his disciples.
  • The Idea of him, which remains no matter how much it's twisted, reinterpreted, maliciously altered, or shifted in phrase. It's born from the desire to improve the world and help everyone understand truth and reasoning.
  • Every Virtue, Deed, and Word he's ever produced, including if he wrote his name down at some random point.
  • His Path/Dao, which represents his thoughts, obsessions, beliefs, and desires. It's inscribed into the most fundamental level of existence, forming Akashic Records, which is Information, Data, Mathematics, Story, History, etc.
Then, after that, you need to kill him 2 or 3 more times since he can come back to life using his True Spirit. You can't destroy his True Spirit; the High 1-A+ Beings made a rule about that.
Assuming that none of this has some ridiculously high smurfery stuff attached, MEGA could technically fulfill all of this.

Attacking the soul would be enough to destroy the spirt things. MEGA can attack his power and essence which would erase him from the world's memory, simultaneously getting rid of everything across the causality of his existence. By extension that would remove everything else you mentioned aside from the True Spirit.

Though, it's possible MEGA would not have to kill him. What would happen if MEGA simply attacked his mind until he lost all his memories and became incapable of doing anything?
 
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Literally one of the most popular novel in Qidian lol, you just linked a random MTL site who translate fanfic and original story
That was the first result that came up for me lmao, had zero clue. That qidian link never showed up for me
 
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The name of the site being "Your fan-fiction stories hub"
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It's a multi-book series.

Quantum Sharks can probably be a fine counter then. Since that is basically his own entity which projects off his attacks
Fair enough.

Assuming that none of this has some ridiculously high smurfery stuff attached, MEGA could technically fulfill all of this.

Attacking the soul would be enough to destroy the spirt things. MEGA can attack his power and essence which would erase him from the world's memory, simultaneously getting rid of everything across the causality of his existence. By extension that would remove everything else you mentioned aside from the True Spirit.
Depends on what abilities he uses to do it. Su Zhou would counter anything that could kill him.

Though, it's possible MEGA would not have to kill him. What would happen if MEGA simply attacked his mind until he lost all his memories and became incapable of doing anything?
Su Zhou resists memory stuff.
 
Depends on what abilities he uses to do it. Su Zhou would counter anything that could kill him.
Literally just sheer Non-Physical Interaction. MEGA is able to strike those aspects directly via funneling his willpower into his attacks. I call it "Metaphysical Interaction."

There is no ability. Just him punching your soul and concept directly lol.

Su Zhou resists memory stuff.
Does he resist memory manipulation or someone literally slashing away at his memories?
 
Literally just sheer Non-Physical Interaction. MEGA is able to strike those aspects directly via funneling his willpower into his attacks. I call it "Metaphysical Interaction."

There is no ability. Just him punching your soul and concept directly lol.
Alright, so far, the win-con for Su Zhou I see, is using [Twilight] to hit MEGA's Reincarnate Soul. The only issue is if MEGA decides not to resist.

As for MEGA, he can interact with Su Zhou's fundamental aspects, but Su Zhou is definitely not going to just sit there and let him.
Does he resist memory manipulation or someone literally slashing away at his memories?
He can remember beings who erase themselves from memory the moment you're not looking at them. Supra-level smurfs.


Anyway, I've been pretty on the defensive, so I'll move on to some more of Su Zhou's methods of attack.

He has another ability from [Existence] & [Continuation]. Essentially, he can unleash strikes that aren't attacks and are a part of their target's existence. Because of that, they can't be intercepted or blocked unless you can deny your own existence.
 
That was the first result that came up for me lmao, had zero clue. That qidian link never showed up for me
It's these kinds of big boy series's and debates that makes the rest of our OCs look like chumps lol.
 
Alright, so far, the win-con for Su Zhou I see, is using [Twilight] to hit MEGA's Reincarnate Soul. The only issue is if MEGA decides not to resist.
Is [Twilight] a one-shot?

He can remember beings who erase themselves from memory the moment you're not looking at them. Supra-level smurfs.
Interesting, though did they actually erase his memories or is it an anti-feat for the supra-smurf people?

He has another ability from [Existence] & [Continuation]. Essentially, he can unleash strikes that aren't attacks and are a part of their target's existence. Because of that, they can't be intercepted or blocked unless you can deny your own existence.
Hm. So, something interesting I suppose.

MEGA has been able to endure something that sounds conceptually similar, which I briefly mentioned. When he had his own "evolution" inverted in on itself, he was forced to fight his own existence because this character named Azariah has a metaphysical virus which siphons information from your own being in order to create a counter-being that absorbs and becomes one with you. However, ultimately, he exceeded in overcoming himself via "the will to ascend," which exists separately from his own Reincarnate Soul. Basically, it is possible for him to draw power from outside of his own existence in order to defeat himself (or a version of himself that negates his own existence) if he needs to.
 
Is [Twilight] a one-shot?
It's layered Void Manipulation. I'm not sure how big MEGA's soul thing is, though.

Interesting, though did they actually erase his memories or is it an anti-feat for the supra-smurf people?
It's something that happens passively, but if you're strong enough, you can resist it. Once you reach a certain level, you start operating on a more fundamental level of existence. Su Zhou has started operating on that level, which is why he can fight them.

Hm. So, something interesting I suppose.

MEGA has been able to endure something that sounds conceptually similar, which I briefly mentioned. When he had his own "evolution" inverted in on itself, he was forced to fight his own existence because this character named Azariah has a metaphysical virus which siphons information from your own being in order to create a counter-being that absorbs and becomes one with you. However, ultimately, he exceeded in overcoming himself via "the will to ascend," which exists separately from his own Reincarnate Soul. Basically, it is possible for him to draw power from outside of his own existence in order to defeat himself (or a version of himself that negates his own existence) if he needs to.
Well, it's not going to make him have to fight himself or anything; it's just going to cause his existence to disintegrate his own body. Idk how good his regen or Immortality is.
 
It's layered Void Manipulation. I'm not sure how big MEGA's soul thing is, though.
Well, it has BDE Type 3 * so it is just High 1-A in terms of size and whatnot.


It's something that happens passively, but if you're strong enough, you can resist it.
Strong enough?


Well, it's not going to make him have to fight himself or anything; it's just going to cause his existence to disintegrate his own body.
What would you need in order to resist it? As MEGA has already delt with his own existence being inverted on himself, which caused him to basically "reactively devolve" himself into paste.

Also, resistant to many, many forms of disintegration in general. But I am more curious about this mechanism?

Idk how good his regen or Immortality is.
Pretty much no regen or immortality, actually.

Even just cutting his head off would be enough to kill him. He is capped out at instantaneous Low-Mid regeneration and I suppose he can endure / recover from more metaphysical forms of damage.

Relies on his girlfriend for regeneration typically.
 
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Well, it has BDE Type 2 so it is just High 1-A in terms of size and whatnot.
Gotcha.

Strong enough?
Higher beings set up universal stages of transcendence, so if you're at a high enough stage, the memory passive doesn't work on you.

What would you need in order to resist it? As MEGA has already delt with his own existence being inverted on himself, which caused him to basically "reactively devolve" himself into paste.
Well, it has Resistance Negation, but it only works on contact. So MEGA might be able to dodge it or avoid it from hitting somewhere vital, but whatever it does hit is totally disintegrated.

If that doesn't work, he has some more basic stuff, Info Type 2, Concept Type 3, RW & Subjective Reality. His abilities operate in a Nonduality State, so they are unchanging and operate in a contradictory, yet unified state.
Pretty much no regen or immortality, actually.

Even just cutting his head off would be enough to kill him. He is capped out at instantaneous Low-Mid regeneration and I suppose he can endure / recover from more metaphysical forms of damage.

Relies on his girlfriend for regeneration typically.
Oh, alright.
 
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