Demon King creation new time frame

[Demon_Lord18]

Out of curiosity, would the notes section in the calculations be updated to accommodate the changes?

Yeah

 

[Kaydee1648]

The novel uses « had created » not that he still is creating LOTL also states that the creations were over.

The novel explicitly says The demon king had created his dimension before moving there?

 

[Makai641001]

The novel explicitly says The demon king had created his dimension before moving there?

1) Novel explicitely presents the creations as finished manga backs this up and show them each in their own realms with their own races.

2) LOTL statement is absolutely not about their creations being unfinished and goes along the novel’s

3) You’re making unnecessary assumptions why would they create a Planet and then everything else in their dimensions overtime when narration talks about finished creations.

Y’all are definitely not ready for tier 3 NNT

 

[Kaydee1648]

You did not answer my question tho, To rephrase; I’m very well aware that there is a statement that says the dimension was created, but said statement didn’t fall in the period of time it took for the demon king to leave the earth to inhabit his created world, so it doesn’t really help the 1 day argument.

Also, don’t get me wrong, i’m not making any assumption. I’m exploring several possible interpretations of the conjecture.

 

[Makai641001]

You did not answer my question tho, To rephrase; I’m very well aware that there is a statement that says the dimension was created, but said statement didn’t fall in the period of time it took for the demon king to leave the earth to inhabit his created world, so it doesn’t really help the 1 day argument.

Also, don’t get me wrong, i’m not making any assumption. I’m exploring several possible interpretations of the conjecture.

The one day argument comes from the fact that 2 beings offsets the planet in a single day, they were 3 gods + LOTL.

Chaos created the world beyond an infinite space holding infinite magic

And they created their dimension in a quick enough timeframe so that earth didn’t get destroyed by their presence.

My previous message gave additional context about their creations being finished in said timeframes cause factually they can’t exist in the mortal plane for more than the timeframe we are using.

 

[Kaydee1648]

The one day argument comes from the fact that 2 beings offsets the planet in a single day, they were 3 gods + LOTL.

Chaos created the world beyond an infinite space holding infinite magic

And they created their dimension in a quick enough timeframe so that earth didn’t get destroyed by their presence.

another assumption is that he created the entirety of said dimension before moving there. Does anything indicate that he did such? Because he could have just created a habitable planet then create the rest of the dimension overtime for all we know

^

 

[Makai641001]

^

Lemme recap, so you think they created a planet to avoid destroying earth and then created the rest overtime ?

If you are making this type of claim you should have something to back it up can you send anything that would lead us to believe your assumption would supersede what’s shown/stated ?

Here Tenkai is shown already having a light source.

Idek why y’all want to ask these questions and find different interpretations instead of just following what’s said.

Also makai Tenkai and yoseikai are shown in the OP to be the dimensions not the planets

 

[Majinere566]

Only in taizai will you see this level of mental gymnastics to stop an upgrade

 

[Makai641001]

Only in taizai will you see this level of mental gymnastics to stop an upgrade

Yeah that’s crazy

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is this necessary since the other two admins stated that they agree with Qawsed? Arent they accepting the Alpha Centauri end?

For future context, I don't have calc rights. So I cannot judge a calculation as being valid though I can give input on it. What I agreed to was the context of the calc and the scaling chain, which is something I can weigh in on.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If I remember correctly, this is only mandatory for Marvel and DC, since the profiles come from different comics. Therefore, the absence of the list could result in outdated profiles.

No, this was applied to all franchises. Especially if it effects a bunch of profiles.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

For future context, I don't have calc rights. So I cannot judge a calculation as being valid though I can give input on it. What I agreed to was the context of the calc and the scaling chain, which is something I can weigh in on.

Could you close this? Since it's already been approved

 

[Demon_Lord18]

No, this was applied to all franchises. Especially if it effects a bunch of profiles.

So I would have to list all the affected profiles?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could you close this? Since it's already been approved

If you're going to upgrade people it needs to be opened so we can see the list. If this is solely about the calc and it being added, with nothing else being upgraded, then i can close it.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

If you're going to upgrade people it needs to be opened so we can see the list. If this is solely about the calc and it being added, with nothing else being upgraded, then i can close it.

I'll make the list, but it will take a while since I'll be away from home for a while.

Edit: I'll try to do it on my phone later.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I'll make the list, but it will take a while since I'll be away from home for a while.

Edit: I'll try to do it on my phone later.

If you'd like I can make the list to save you time. I remember who scales and who doesn't.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

If you'd like I can make the list to save you time. I remember who scales and who doesn't.

It is not necessary

 

[Bossbrosish]

It is not necessary

Alright, no problem

 

[Kaydee1648]

Lemme recap, so you think they created a planet to avoid destroying earth and then created the rest overtime ?

If you are making this type of claim you should have something to back it up can you send anything that would lead us to believe your assumption would supersede what’s shown/stated ?

Here Tenkai is shown already having a light source.

Idek why y’all want to ask these questions and find different interpretations instead of just following what’s said.

Also makai Tenkai and yoseikai are shown in the OP to be the dimensions not the planets

I’m not making any claim
regardless there’s no point to this since the thread has already been accepted

 

[Demon_Lord18]

If you're going to upgrade people it needs to be opened so we can see the list. If this is solely about the calc and it being added, with nothing else being upgraded, then i can close it.

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Demon King (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Demon King is the ruler of the Demon Clan and the father of Meliodas and Zeldris. He created the Ten Commandments and waged war against the Supreme Deity and the Goddess Clan, eventually resulting in his being sealed in Purgatory. He has remained there ever since, devouring the inhabitants...

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Lady of the Lake

The Lady of the Lake is an entity wrought from Chaos, currently dwelling in Lake Salisbury. Her appearance is mostly unknown as she dwells within the lake, but her silouhette shows her as a slender woman with long hair. Not much is known about her personality except that she is intelligent and...

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Tristan (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Tristan is a very calm and tenacious boy. He expresses no appreciation about the role of prince, instead preferring to defend his kingdom as a Holy Knight. He holds a great sense of justice and feels the need to protect his kingdom any threats, including his father and the Seven Deadly Sins for...

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Merlin (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Merlin is a member of the Seven Deadly Sins, the Boar's Sin of Gluttony. The greatest mage in all of Britannia, she went missing after the Sins were declared outlaws and later reappeared as the mentor of King Arthur. It is revealed that she originally came from Belialuin, the Capital of the...

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Escanor

Escanor is the Lion's Sin of Pride of the Seven Deadly Sins. He was born into royalty but his magic power coupled with an unfortunate accident caused his family to fear and scorn him. He was smuggled to safety by a mysterious woman named Rosa and grew to adulthood coping with his unique...

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Meliodas

Meliodas is the Dragon's Sin of Wrath and the captain of the Seven Deadly Sins. In the present day, he cheerfully runs the Boar Hat, a bar based on top of a giant pig, serving patrons infamously terrible food along with his brand of liquor. The sin referred to in his epithet is the destruction...

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Chimera Indura (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Chimera Indura is one of the Indura that wanders the Demon Realm. It is revealed that it is an Indura of Favor, indicating it was once a member of the Ten Commandments. Tier: Possibly 5-C, higher at night | At least Low 5-B, higher at night Key: Base Form | Indura Name: Chimera Indura...

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Original Demon (Nanatsu No Taizai)

Originally created by the Demon King to help control the underworld, The Original Demon rebelled against the King in order to take his throne. As his punishment for this act of rebellion, the Demon King split The Original Demon into Chandler and Cusack, instructing them to raise Meliodas and...

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Cusack

Cusack, also known as the Napping Reaper, is Zeldris' former master and a demon of the highest level. He shows intense loyalty to Zeldris, even going so far as to disagree with the Demon King's decision to favor Meliodas. Tier: 4-B, far higher with magic-imbued weaponry, higher at night | 4-B...

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Chandler

Chandler, also known as the Pacifier Fiend, is Meliodas’ old master and the highest level of demon. He displays an unhealthy level of affection for Meliodas and has no tolerance for anyone he judges to be Meliodas' enemy. Tier: 4-B, far higher with magic-imbued weaponry, higher at night | At...

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Zeldris

Zeldris also known as Zeldris the Piety is Meliodas' younger brother and one of the Ten Commandments that answer directly to the Demon King. He was granted the Commandment of Piety, and is responsible for the ransacking of Camelot and the enslavement of its citizens as well as the denizens of...

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Estarossa (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Estarossa was one of the Ten Commandments and was thought to be the second son of the Demon King. Tier: 4-B | 4-B | 4-B Key: Base | 2 Commandments Absorbed | 3 Commandments Absorbed Name: Estarossa Origin: Nanatsu no Taizai Gender: Male Age: Over 3,000 (380 biologically) Classification: Demon...

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Derieri

Derieri also know as Derieri the Purity is a demon and a member of the Ten Commandments, a group of elite warriors of the Demon Clan handpicked by the Demon King himself. She was sealed away along with the rest of the clan in the Coffin of Eternal Darkness until she was set free by Hendrickson...

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Monspeet

Monspeet, also known as Monspeet the Reticence, is one of the Ten Commandments serving directly under the Demon King. Calm and gentlemanly, he always accompanies Derieri on missions and is heavily implied to be in love with her. After he and Derieri were saved by a human girl and nursed back to...

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Gloxinia

Gloxinia is an elite warrior of the Demon Clan, serving directly under the Demon King as the Repose of the Ten Commandments. He is also a former king of the Fairy King's Forest and the first to hold the title, however, he abandoned that position long ago. Tier: 10-C, 5-C with Magic Name...

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Drole

Drole, also known as Drole the Patience, and to humans as Balor, is an elite warrior serving directly under the Demon King as a member of the Ten Commandments. According to the legends of the Giant Clan, he is recognized as their founder and is worshipped as a god. Legends say he created the...

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Fraudrin

Fraudrin, also known as Fraudrin the Selflessness, is an elite warrior of the Demon Clan, serving directly under the Demon King as a replacement member in the Ten Commandments. He was sealed away along with the rest of the Demon Clan in the Coffin of Eternal Darkness until he was freed at least...

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Galand (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Galand, also known as Galand the Truth, is one of the Ten Commandments serving directly under the Demon King. A destructive and battle-hungry demon, he lays waste to Camelot with ease as the first of the Commandments to battle the Seven Deadly Sins, but he later loses to Escanor, becoming...

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Grayroad

Grayroad, also known as Grayroad the Pacifism, is an elite warrior of the Demon Clan, serving directly under the Demon King as the Pacifism of the Ten Commandments. She was sealed away along with the rest of the clan in the Coffin of Eternal Darkness until she was set free by Hendrickson. She is...

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Melascula

Melascula the Faith is a member of the Ten Commandments, a group of the Demon Clan's most elite warriors handpicked by the Demon King himself. She was sealed away along with the rest of the clan in the Coffin of Eternal Darkness until she was set free by Hendrickson. She displays normal...

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Gowther (Demon)

Gowther was an extremely powerful and skilled mage of the Demon Clan, so much so that the Demon King forcibly bestowed the commandment of Selflessness on him in order to force him into service. When he refused to serve he was imprisoned to stop him from being a threat. In response, he created...

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Bellion

Bellion is a member of the Demon Clan, and also the leader of the Six Knights of Black. He was a part of the war on Sky Island, and was sealed by the Goddess Clan after the Indura was defeated. After the seal had been broken, he attacked Meliodas without knowing who he was. He was stated to have...

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Elizabeth Liones

Elizabeth Liones is the third princess of the Kingdom of Liones, an adopted daughter of King Bartra Liones, and is originally from the ruined Kingdom of Danafor. It is revealed that Elizabeth is actually the latest in a long line of reincarnations of the Goddess Elizabeth, daughter of the...

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Supreme Deity (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Supreme Deity is the ruler of the Goddess Clan and the mother of the Goddess Elizabeth, now known as Elizabeth Liones. She created the Four Archangels and waged war against the Demon King and his Demon Clan, eventually resulting in her being sealed away at the end of the war. Tier: 4-B | 4-B...

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Ludociel

Ludociel is one of the Four Archangels of the Goddess Clan. While kind and patient with his allies, he is ruthlessly intolerant of the members of the Demon Clan. Tier: At least Low 5-B | At least Low 5-B Key: Possessing Margaret | True Body Name: Ludociel Origin: Nanatsu no Taizai Gender: Male...

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Sariel (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Sariel is one of the Four Archangels of the Goddess Clan. After the Holy War ended 3000 years ago he was sealed within a musical instrument in incorporeal form, waiting for his chance to return. He made a deal with Solaseed, a young girl travelling as a bard who currently owned the instrument he...

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Tarmiel

Tarmiel is one of the Four Archangels of the Goddess Clan. He is also one of the commanders of Stigma alongside Ludociel and Sariel. Tier: 4-B | 4-B Key: Possessing Arbus | True Body Name: Tarmiel Origin: Nanatsu no Taizai Gender: Male Age: 5000 Classification: Member of the Goddess Clan...

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Mael (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Mael is the younger brother of Ludociel, once known as the Angel of Death. After a forbidden memory alteration spell was performed by Gowther, he became known to all as the second son of the Demon King, and one of the Ten Commandments. Tier: At least 5-C, at least Low 5-B during the...

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Gelda

Gelda, also known as "Gelda the Thousand Temptations" is a member of the Vampire Clan's royalty. She was the lover of Zeldris, which is why he chose to seal the vampires rather than destroy them after they rebelled against the Demon Clan. After being unsealed 3000 years later, she turned on her...

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Hawk (Mild)

Hawk is a pig that Meliodas met after the separation of the Seven Deadly Sins. He works in the Boar Hat as the one that cleans up/eats the leftovers. It is later revealed that Hawk is not a normal pig, but a species of magical creature originating from Purgatory, and that the Demon King uses him...

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Hawk Mama

Hawk's Mama is the giant green pig that Meliodas keeps the Boar Hat on and is the Sins' primary source of transportation. While she rarely engages in combat, she has proven herself to be rather formidable. Around 3,000 years ago during the battle of the Sky Temple, Hawk Mama also known as the...

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Wild

Wild is a boar-like creature who lives in Purgatory. He’s also Hawk’s older brother. Tier: At least 4-B, higher with Wild Full Throttle Name: Wild Origin: Nanatsu no Taizai Gender: Male Age: Over 8,000,000 years old Classification: Pig Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics...

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Cath Palug

Cath is Arthur Pendragon's mysterious pet that he gained after training in Istar. His real identity is Cath Palug, a monstrous creature born from the Mother of Chaos. Cath Palug was originally a creature born from the Mother of Chaos, it was reincarnated from greed and obsession for power. Its...

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The Behemoth (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Behemoth is a Life Spirit inhabiting a giant beast as its vessel, residing in the Demon Realm. It's said that when it's active, it swallows all life in his sight and possesses a portal to Camelot's dimension on his back, which awfully angers him. Tier: Low 5-B Name: Behemoth Origin: Nanatsu...

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Excalibur (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Holy Sword Excalibur is a mighty sword currently wielded by the king of the Kingdom of Camelot, Arthur Pendragon. According to Merlin, Excalibur in the past was just a common sword, given to Carfen, a master swordsman, by the Lady of the Lake. While on the brink of death, he cleansed his...

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Dreyfus

Dreyfus is the younger brother of Zaratras and one of the two people who had assumed command over the entirety of Liones after the coup d'état thanks to his status as one of the Great Holy Knights alongside Hendrickson. He is shown as a diligent and dignified person, and is extremely dedicated...

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Howzer

Howzer is a Holy Knight, a colleague and partner of Gilthunder, and a subordinate of the Great Holy Knight, Dreyfus. After the defense of Liones, Howzer was promoted to acting Great Holy Knight, and is currently leading the Holy Knight army south to Camelot to fight the Demon Clan's armies...

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Isolde

Isolde is a Holy Knight of Liones, serving under the Tristan Platoon of prince Tristan Liones. Tier: 7-B, higher with magic-imbued weaponry, 5-C with Explosion, Low 5-B with Love Bomb Name: Isolde Origin: Four Knights of the Apocalypse Gender: Female Age: 16 years Classification: Human, Holy...

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Melagaland

Melagaland is the form Chaos Melascula and Chaos Galand gained after they fused together using a Chaos Staff in a last attempt to defeat the Four Knights of Apocalypse. Tier: At least Low 5-B Name: Melagaland Origin: Nanatsu no Taizai Gender: Unknown Age: Over 3000 years Classification: Demon...

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Macduff

Macduff is a Holy Knight serving King Arthur Pendragon of Camelot. He is a tall, muscular man with no irises due to his blindness. He is bald and has a black beard. He wears sunglasses to hide the fact that he is blind and catch his opponents off guard. Tier: High 6-A, 5-C with Ghiniahha Gloves...

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Fiddich

Fiddich is a Holy Knight serving King Arthur Pendragon of Camelot and leader of the Dark Talismans. He is much more serious than his companions, being much more cautious and direct when going into battle. He is also ruthless, killing his own allies without hesitation in order to fulfill his...

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Ironside (Four Knights of The Apocalypse)

Ironside is the son of Varghese. He is a Holy Knight in the service of King Arthur and is one of the Four Evils. Sixteen years ago he ventured into Camelot in order to save his son Diodora. He wears a suit of red armor with an unique type of frog-mouth helmet that has three crooked visors, an...

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Pellegard

Pellegarde is a jovial, laidback and carefree man who appreciates fighting strong people such as Percival and wants to fight them, not minding whether his opponent are men or women. Despite his loyalty to Arthur, he is willing to go behind his back as he desired to take Percival under his wing...

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Worreldane

Worreldane is a Holy Knight of Camelot and one of the Four Evils. She is a beautiful woman with light beige hair with pink tips that reaches her shoulders, green eyes and blue lipstick that stands out against her skin. She wears white, flowery armor with a long skirt and a long white cape. After...

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Elaine (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Elaine is King's sister and the guardian of the Fairy King's Forest in his absence. She guarded the Fountain of Youth for centuries, becoming lonely and isolated until she met Ban and fell in love with him. She was killed by a Red Demon and ensured Ban's survival by feeding him the Fountain of...

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Chion

Chion is a Holy Knight of Liones serving under the Tristan Platoon of prince Tristan Liones and the son of Gilthunder and Margaret Liones. Tier: 7-B, 7-A with Ghiniahha Gloves, Varies with Spirits, up to at most 5-C with Fire Spirit full power Name: Chion Origin: Four Knights of the Apocalypse...

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Nanashi (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Nanashi is a foreign swordsman from the east that journeyed to Britannia and entered the Great Fight Festival at Vaizel. After the Demon Clan conquered most of Britannia, Nanashi decided to stay with King Arthur and help him defend the people of Camelot. He seems to know more than he lets on...

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Arthur Pendragon (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Arthur Pendragon is the teenaged king of Camelot, who ascended to the throne after drawing a sword that no one else could. Although he is optimistic and happy-go-lucky, he takes his duties as a king very seriously. Merlin is his closest friend and adviser. After Camelot fell to the Demon Clan...

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Ban (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Ban is the Fox's Sin of Greed of the Seven Deadly Sins. He was formerly known as "Bandit Ban" during his earlier years and later as "Undead Ban," epithets explained by his infamy as a thief and because of his immortality. In the past he journeyed to the Fairy King's Forest to find the Fountain...

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Gowther (Doll)

Gowther is the Goat's Sin of Lust of the Seven Deadly Sins. For much of the series he completely lacked normal emotions, leading to him coming into occasional conflict with his fellow Sins because of his attempts to understand emotion. He is actually a doll created by the original Gowther, an...

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King (Nanatsu no Taizai)

King is the Grizzly's Sin of Sloth of the Seven Deadly Sins. His real name and alias is Fairy King Harlequin, the third ruler of the Fairy Clan. His past is filled with tragedy, having been forced to kill his best friend Helbram, erase the memories of Diane, who he had fallen in love with, and...

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Percival (Four Knights of The Apocalypse)

Percival is one of the Four Knights of the Apocalypse, and named a Holy Knight of Kingdom of Liones with his companions as the Percival Platoon. His Magical Power is the extremely rare Hero-type, Hope. He is the main protagonist of the eponymous series. Believed at first to be Ironside's son...

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Lancelot (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Lancelot is the son of Ban and Elaine, and the prince of the Kingdom of Benwick. At the age of 10, he went missing with his attendant Jericho. Six years later during the events of Four Knights of the Apocalypse, he reappeared as a mysterious talking fox named Sin「シン」 and accompanied Percival in...

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Meliodas (Four Knights of The Apocalypse)

Meliodas is the husband and lover of Elizabeth Liones and her previous incarnations, owner of the renowned Boar Hat Tavern, current king of the Kingdom of Liones, and father of Tristan, one of the main protagonists of the series. His Sacred Treasure is the Demon Sword Lostvayne, and his inherent...

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Chaos (Nanatsu No Taizai)

Chaos is an ancient entity that created the world, the gods and the five races from nothingness. Chaos is described by Merlin as "an impure entity of darkness that even the Demons fear and a pure entity of light that even the Goddesses worship". After being sealed by the Demon King and Supreme...

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[Bossbrosish]

TIER 4 Nanatsu no Taizai is real!!!! (Also bumping so mods can see the list)

 

[Qawsedf234]

TIER 4 Nanatsu no Taizai is real!!!! (Also bumping so mods can see the list)

Well.... the list was supposed to be there for people to get a reference of who gets upgrade.

It wasn't meant to upgrade everyone first and then post a list. Also a bunch of the justifications are.... super questionable now since they're referencing Tier 6 and 5 people for Tier 4 ratings.

 

[Damage3245]

Well.... the list was supposed to be there for people to get a reference of who gets upgrade.

It wasn't meant to upgrade everyone first and then post a list. Also a bunch of the justifications are.... super questionable now since they're referencing Tier 6 and 5 people for Tier 4 ratings.

Yeah - I only just noticed that the profiles had been updated. I assumed the list would be posted and then there'd be more discussion.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Well.... the list was supposed to be there for people to get a reference of who gets upgrade.

It wasn't meant to upgrade everyone first and then post a list. Also a bunch of the justifications are.... super questionable now since they're referencing Tier 6 and 5 people for Tier 4 ratings.

Yeah - I only just noticed that the profiles had been updated. I assumed the list would be posted and then there'd be more discussion.

I did notice some characters would go from 7-B to 4-B (That's what I'm guessing) and most of the scaling comes from the main cast and those who can hurt them (Keep in mind I've only recently started watching the anime and plan on getting the manga collection at one point so I can't give much input here)

 

[Majinere566]

Yeah I don’t know why 7-B characters are affected with this. I’ve been planning on making a thread revisiting the scaling

 

[Lloydblitzed]

TIER 4 Nanatsu no Taizai is real!!!! (Also bumping so mods can see the list)

My goat Meli is finally Tier 4

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Yeah I don’t know why 7-B characters are affected with this. I’ve been planning on making a thread revisiting the scaling

Because they were 7-B 16 years ago and currently have feats that scale them to characters that receive downscaling from DK.

 

[Bossbrosish]

So what exactly is left to discuss here?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So what exactly is left to discuss here?

If the feat counts for AP and actually scaling

 

[Bossbrosish]

If the feat counts for AP and actually scaling

I have little knowledge on the Seven Deadly Sins, but I checked the creation feats page for reference. Their is a universal energy system for SDS so that's one box checked. I'll leave the other stuff for people who actually know what they're talking about, but I will say that after checking some of the profiles the scaling does feel somewhat iffy to me. You're telling me this guy has Solar System level AP for killing Percival?

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, I'm currently rereading the series and gathering scans to determine whether a UES is justified for Seven Deadly Sins, and if it can justify the current scaling.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You're telling me this guy has Solar System level AP for killing Percival?

Yes, he killed and dominated Percival who is superior to Melagaland who is downscaled by DK

 

[Demon_Lord18]

if it can justify the current scaling.

The current scale, although I don't like it, still works