How you reboot the Predator series!

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Essentially this is the setting of the original Predator but with Rambo replacing Dutch.

• Rambo is in his prime
• Rambo gets the same amount of prep-time as Dutch did when making the traps (he's gonna need it)

Rambo:

Predator:

Tie:

FIGHT!

 

[Doggo]

Well...given his stats, Rambo is going to do a whole lot better than Dutch. He is also likely smarter and more skilled than him.

idk

 

[Arkenis]

No equal speed makes this a bit tougher for Rambo once the Predator wants to get in close which most do from what I've seen. And while Rambo's got decent hearing and awareness, the Predators routinely stalk and track alien animals and the common xenomorphs as well. I can see them getting the jump on him and just stabbing or blasting him.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

No equal speed makes this a bit tougher for Rambo once the Predator wants to get in close which most do from what I've seen.

Dutch didn’t have Supersonic speed either

 

[Arkenis]

Dutch didn’t have Supersonic speed either

Did dutch fight him in h2h?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Did dutch fight him in h2h?

He mostly used traps, although I need to watch the movie for myself

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ironically the stat gap between them physically seems to be really small since Rambo is 0.008 tons while the Predator is 0.01 tons so Rambo is gonna be doing way better than Dutch did in terms of melee combat.

 

[Doggo]

Im leaning Rambo since he is just Dutch but better

 

[Random-Helper323]

Dutch did fight the Predator hand to hand. It was just clear that he couldn't win that way. He ended up winning using a trap. The Predator did figure out that there was a trap in a place, but that was because Dutch was very clearly trying to lure it into that trap. He was literally calling it in.

I'd also like to point out that the Predator's big weakness was Dutch bring covered in mud, which Rambo frequently does already. The Predator also suffered from explosives that were lesser versions of Rambo's explosive arrows.

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Dutch was clearly more durable and stronger than Rambo physically.

Also unless Predator acts like a complete ****** or a moron, I'm pretty sure Rambo gets assraped or cooked by Jungle Hunter worse than Dutch would have been if the Pred didn't hold back.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Dutch was clearly more durable and stronger than Rambo physically.

Is there a calculation for this? Someone above said Predator was 0.01 tons vs Rambo's 0.008 tons.

 

[AThe1412]

Ironically the stat gap between them physically seems to be really small since Rambo is 0.008 tons while the Predator is 0.01 tons so Rambo is gonna be doing way better than Dutch did in terms of melee combat.

0.008 tons is 9-A which Rambo isn't. Did you look at the pulv end of that calculation? That clearly can't be used. He's 0.002 tons with both the frag and v. frag end.

Dutch was clearly more durable and stronger than Rambo physically.

Alan Schaefer

Alan "Dutch" Schaefer is a Vietnam veteran and Army Special Operations officer in command of an elite rescue team during the events of the first Predator film. He and his team are hunted by the Jungle Hunter in a Central American rainforest during their mission to retrieve a foreign official...

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Only the former.

Also unless Predator acts like a complete ****** or a moron

Why do you think it held back? It wanted a challenge. That applies to 90% of Yautjas.

I'm pretty sure Rambo gets assraped or cooked by Jungle Hunter worse than Dutch would have been if the Pred didn't hold back.

Not according to the profiles.

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Before I respond to the last two posters above, what defines being "in his prime" for Rambo? Like physically? And what does Rambo get for this match? just his most standard equipment or everything including things he's only used once that isn't part of his readily available arsenal like the Grand Slam Bomb? what defines "standard equipment" for John?

 

[Arkenis]

Leaning Predator. Predator losing to Alan from a trap doesn't mean it'll happen here, but also basically anything could kill Rambo. Predator could just avoid the trap and end up in close combat instead.

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Leaning Predator. Predator losing to Alan from a trap doesn't mean it'll happen here, but also basically anything could kill Rambo. Predator could just avoid the trap and end up in close combat instead.

Yep.

Predators are a warrior race and culture that are able to raise individuals who can be masters of detecting traps and even building better ones themselves.

Plus Jungle Hunter isn't even close to be one of the higher ranked Predators, even in the movies.

 

[Doggo]

I mean, op literally states it's the same setting as the og film, so Rambo is going through the same thing as Dutch but will do better via higher skill.

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

I mean, op literally states it's the same setting as the og film, so Rambo is going through the same thing as Dutch but will do better via higher skill.

So Rambo only has his standard equipment or does he inherit Dutch's weapons or resources for traps too?

If so, that depends on whether Rambo would think to use the same trap as Dutch would with the tree log. And if Predator is acting exactly like he did against Dutch or if he's pulling no punches.

Also doing better doesn't necessarily guarantee a victory for him. Keep in mind, Dutch didn't even kill Predator, just incapacitated him.

 

[Arkenis]

Do Rambo normally make traps?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do Rambo normally make traps?

Yes. A lot.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So Rambo only has his standard equipment or does he inherit Dutch's weapons or resources for traps too?

You know, this sort of question came up to me for writing the OP, but I unfortunately had no good way to answer it, especially considering that the movie starts in a military base full of weapons, so I just assumed Standard Battle Assumptions for Rambo's equipment and hoped everyone would be able to understand

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Before I respond to the last two posters above, what defines being "in his prime" for Rambo? Like physically?

Yes, although I think everyone agrees it would be Trilogy Rambo

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

You know, this sort of question came up to me for writing the OP, but I unfortunately had no good way to answer it, especially considering that the movie starts in a military base full of weapons, so I just assumed Standard Battle Assumptions for Rambo's equipment and hoped everyone would be able to understand

Yes, although I think everyone agrees it would be Trilogy Rambo

So just shit like assault rifles, machine guns, and explosive arrows for Rambo as standard equipment?

Yeah safe to say Rambo probably still gets merked unless Predator is being a complete r*tard and falls for his traps somehow.

And if it gets into a hand to hand match, Rambo gets his shit rocked harder than Dutch would have, since Predator's fists are capable of stronger damage than Rambo's enemies have shown physically.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Yeah safe to say Rambo probably still gets merked

Well, Rambo scales to 0.008 tons compared to the Predator's 0.01 tons, so I'm not sure how wrecked Rambo is going to get here

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Well, Rambo scales to 0.008 tons compared to the Predator's 0.01 tons, so I'm not sure how wrecked Rambo is going to get here

Where's the scaling even from? Lemme guess... Kourov from Rambo 3? The only actual somewhat superhuman guy he's ever fought as his strongest foe and that he nearly lost and could have actually died to in hand to hand combat?

 

[Arkenis]

No equal speed makes this a bit tougher for Rambo once the Predator wants to get in close which most do from what I've seen. And while Rambo's got decent hearing and awareness, the Predators routinely stalk and track alien animals and the common xenomorphs as well. I can see them getting the jump on him and just stabbing or blasting him.

voting Pred off this.

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Wise choice my guy

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The only actual somewhat superhuman guy he's ever fought as his strongest foe and that he nearly lost and could have actually died to in hand to hand combat?

Actually, it more comes from his AP being comparable to his durability

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Actually, it more comes from his AP being comparable to his durability

And why the hell is Dutch not getting the same treatment in his profile?

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Now to answer this after my VSBW Chrome tab wasn't loading properly for some reason for the past two weeks:

Why do you think it held back? It wanted a challenge. That applies to 90% of Yautjas.

You just answered your own question.

And I can point to multiple instances where the Jungle Hunter actually did hold back:



When Jungle Hunter actually got a hold of Dutch and was grabbing him by the neck to examine him.

From that point, he could have easily just choked Dutch to death with one hand.

Or he could easily have just slit Dutch's throat with his wrist blades on the other right there.



He could have easily blasted Dutch in the face with his Plasmacaster while he was just standing there looking at him. Hell, Dutch was already stunned and falling down rolling into a mess when his plasma shots merely hit hit his gun instead of any part of his body directly.

Or when he was engaging Dutch in direct H2H combat, he could have slashed and stabbed Dutch in his vital areas repeatedly or instantly decapitated him with his wrist blades when he was giving his head an uppercut.

But for the sake of a further serious challenge, Jungle Hunter instead resorted to blunt force with each of his attacks, which drew blood from Dutch, though Dutch being the durable ************ he is, was able to take punches and slaps strong enough to shatter solid concrete and keep on going.

And the fact that he was just toying around with Dutch instead of trying to go for an instant kill, tells us how dangerous the Predator was and how ****** Arnold would be if he actually went all-out on him. Hell Jungle Hunter has pretty much proven to be one of the physically weakest Predators (even going by just movie canon) and one of the most arrogant and overconfident to boot in hindsight, which was part of why he lost to Dutch at all.



Hope that helps mate.

 

[AThe1412]

Now to answer this after my VSBW Chrome tab wasn't loading properly for some reason for the past two weeks:

You just answered your own question.

And I can point to multiple instances where the Jungle Hunter actually did hold back:



When Jungle Hunter actually got a hold of Dutch and was grabbing him by the neck to examine him.

From that point, he could have easily just choked Dutch to death with one hand.

Or he could easily have just slit Dutch's throat with his wrist blades on the other right there.



He could have easily blasted Dutch in the face with his Plasmacaster while he was just standing there looking at him. Hell, Dutch was already stunned and falling down rolling into a mess when his plasma shots merely hit hit his gun instead of any part of his body directly.

Or when he was engaging Dutch in direct H2H combat, he could have slashed and stabbed Dutch in his vital areas repeatedly or instantly decapitated him with his wrist blades when he was giving his head an uppercut.

But for the sake of a further serious challenge, Jungle Hunter instead resorted to blunt force with each of his attacks, which drew blood from Dutch, though Dutch being the durable ************ he is, was able to take punches and slaps strong enough to shatter solid concrete and keep on going.

And the fact that he was just toying around with Dutch instead of trying to go for an instant kill, tells us how dangerous the Predator was and how ****** Arnold would be if he actually went all-out on him. Hell Jungle Hunter has pretty much proven to be one of the physically weakest Predators (even going by just movie canon) and one of the most arrogant and overconfident to boot in hindsight, which was part of why he lost to Dutch at all.



Hope that helps mate.

Uh huh. So why wouldn't Jungle Hunter do the same and hold back against Rambo here assuming he's being perfectly in character?

 

[Arkenis]

Matches aren't done by how the person fought down to a T in one event. This time the predator can simply decide not to hold back. Most preds are generally instant killers. And this match warrants me to go back and watch Prey (best pred movie)

 

[Alien_Dual_Blaster]

Uh huh. So why wouldn't Jungle Hunter do the same and hold back against Rambo here assuming he's being perfectly in character?

Are we to automatically assume that ANY Predator is just going to act exactly like how they did in their movies down to every action and movement or hell any fictional character in any setting with superhumans or any fictional series at all to just hold back for the sake of a fictional debate, when the point of debates like this to treat both characters as if they're fighting to their fullest strength, willpower, and potential based on verified feats and scaling at least and that glaring moments of PIS are to be thrown out the window instead of being treated like their default average or norm for their overall power level or performance?

 

[AThe1412]

Matches aren't done by how the person fought down to a T in one event. This time the predator can simply decide not to hold back.

This match is that exact same event but with Rambo replacing Dutch.

Most preds are generally instant killers.

Said where? Are we just going to ignore their honour system, one of the most important aspects of their culture that influences how the majority of them hunt?

Are we to automatically assume that ANY Predator is just going to act exactly like how they did in their movies down to every action and movement or hell any fictional character in any setting with superhumans or any fictional series at all to just hold back for the sake of a fictional debate, when the point of debates like this to treat both characters as if they're fighting to their fullest strength, willpower, and potential based on verified feats and scaling at least and that glaring moments of PIS are to be thrown out the window instead of being treated like their default average or norm for their overall power level or performance?

Ayy, you said allat, not me. And what PIS?

Yautja (Predator)

The Yautja,[3][4][5][6] (pronounced Ya-OOT-ja[7]), known colloquially as the Predators or Hunters, are an extraterrestrial species characterized by their hunting of other dangerous species for sport and honor, including humans. The Yautja are a sentient humanoid race that breathe an atmosphere...

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Yautja (Predator)

The Yautja,[3][4][5][6] (pronounced Ya-OOT-ja[7]), known colloquially as the Predators or Hunters, are an extraterrestrial species characterized by their hunting of other dangerous species for sport and honor, including humans. The Yautja are a sentient humanoid race that breathe an atmosphere...

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Yautja Honor Code

The Yautja Honor Code is a set of rules which govern day-to-day interactions of Yautja as well as the Hunt. It details under what circumstances a hunter may kill a creature of another species and under what circumstances they may not. The code is strict, and to break it, whether purposefully...

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The code of honour is basically a law and a crucial part of Yautja society. Those who don't follow it are hunted down and destroyed. To ignore this would be to ignore decades of character and world building. It's like saying Superman from the comics always goes for the kill when it's clearly not the case.

 

[Arkenis]

This match is that exact same event but with Rambo replacing Dutch.

Matches aren't done as "that exact event in which they make the same decisions and act exactly the same".

Said where? Are we just going to ignore their honour system, one of the most important aspects of their culture that influences how the majority of them hunt?

The Yautja page says many of them do.

 

[CBslayeR]

Does no one read the original thread or something? This is the exact same final scenario that Dutch was in when all of his comrades died, except Rambo is in his place, and this is the Predator 1 Predator; not a bad blood or anyone who would even imply to be a bad blood, assuming he'd suddenly out of character break the honor code is just trying to cheese a thread win instead of actually participating in the discussion.

I'm assuming that Rambo would work with the same knowledge Dutch had about the Jungle Hunter not killing armed men, and pretty much do something similar but with something more elaborate and possibly stand a better chance in CQC with the AP gap

If Rambo doesn't have the knowledge Dutch does then he kinda just gets shot by a plasma caster and dies.

 

[Arkenis]

Does no one read the original thread or something? This is the exact same final scenario that Dutch was in when all of his comrades died, except Rambo is in his place, and this is the Predator 1 Predator; not a bad blood or anyone who would even imply to be a bad blood, assuming he'd suddenly out of character break the honor code is just trying to cheese a thread win instead of actually participating in the discussion.

I'm assuming that Rambo would work with the same knowledge Dutch had about the Jungle Hunter not killing armed men, and pretty much do something similar but with something more elaborate and possibly stand a better chance in CQC with the AP gap

If Rambo doesn't have the knowledge Dutch does then he kinda just gets shot by a plasma caster and dies.

Same setting, meaning jungle and Rambo gets prep. That doesn't mean the predator will fall for the exact trap nor does it mean Rambo will set up the exact trap. I genuinely don't get what the issue is, the predator in the movie kills people right away, there's no honor code being broken, that code btw is them not hunting weak people or people unable to fight, things Rambo isn't.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

And why the hell is Dutch not getting the same treatment in his profile?

Because, as seen in the clip, his slap didn’t hurt the predator at all

 

[AThe1412]

The Yautja page says many of them do.

Link or quote it.

Same setting, meaning jungle and Rambo gets prep. That doesn't mean the predator will fall for the exact trap nor does it mean Rambo will set up the exact trap.

And he doesn't need to. Rambo has built better traps.

I genuinely don't get what the issue is, the predator in the movie kills people right away, there's no honor code being broken, that code btw is them not hunting weak people or people unable to fight, things Rambo isn't.

Also because they outnumbered it.

Hunt

The Hunt[1] is a concept considered sacred to the majority of the Yautja race. The hunting of dangerous prey is the backbone of Yautja society and the means by which individuals prove their worth. Hunts typically involve a lone Yautja individual, or perhaps a small group of individuals...

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Yautja Honor Code

The Yautja Honor Code is a set of rules which govern day-to-day interactions of Yautja as well as the Hunt. It details under what circumstances a hunter may kill a creature of another species and under what circumstances they may not. The code is strict, and to break it, whether purposefully...

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What about the part where Yautjas willingly restrict the use of more advanced weapons against worthy opponents?

 

[Arkenis]

Link or quote it.

What about the part where Yautjas willingly restrict the use of more advanced weapons against worthy opponents?

This is the statement I'm referring to. Some ignore that and still use it like the jungle predator did. Also the Yautja that fought Hutch didn't do that and in this case has no idea who Rambo is.

And he doesn't need to. Rambo has built better traps.

Okay. What is the argument here then? Rambo makes an unknown trap and somehow it works with the same prep Hutch got?

Also because they outnumbered it.

Hunt

The Hunt[1] is a concept considered sacred to the majority of the Yautja race. The hunting of dangerous prey is the backbone of Yautja society and the means by which individuals prove their worth. Hunts typically involve a lone Yautja individual, or perhaps a small group of individuals...

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You can't just link pages and expect us to read the whole thing, just quote what you're referring to.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

What about the part where Yautjas willingly restrict the use of more advanced weapons against worthy opponents?

Let's also not forget that Rambo has a better chance at hurting to Jungle Hunter due to scaling to 0.008 tons while the Predator is 0.01 tons, not to mention having potentially stronger traps than Dutch that get up to 8-C to High 8-C, along with 9-A explosive arrows