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Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

First_Witch said:
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Counter-point.
 
7 deadly sins shouldn't be used in evilness scaling at all. Call me a devil's advocate, all you want, but for me outclassing someone in some of those sins means absolutely nothing (especially if it something light, like gluttony or sloth). Having flaws or some unpleasant/annoying qualities ≠ being evil, willingly harming others and committing horrible crimes - is. Same thing kinda goes for ideology, it shouldn't play a huge role in evilness scaling if a character doesn't commit their horrendous actions only because of that thing, if it's something that can be shifted in the background - it barely makes any difference
 
Also regarding evilness scaling - composite fiction stomps composite reality in terms of evilness. Since fiction already includes most of real world crimes and atrocities, but fiction's evilness could be completely blown into overexaggerated and unachievable proportions, especially considering things like cosmology and that fiction isn't limited to popular media and includes basically every piece of imagination ever created, that could be unbound by censorship like more popular counterparts
 
AppleMaker said:
7 deadly sins shouldn't be used in evilness scaling at all. Call me a devil's advocate, all you want, but for me outclassing someone in some of those sins means absolutely nothing (especially if it something light, like gluttony or sloth). Having flaws or some unpleasant/annoying qualities ≠ being evil, willingly harming others and committing horrible crimes - is.
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Not to debate on theology but you do realise what the cause for said violent crimes is right? At least, by the construct of the seven deadly sins. Like the idea isn't "Oh oh, you felt anger, to hell with you." Its "Too much anger will literally kill someone". Loving to eat, which is really slight gluttony, is obviously not compareable to hogging the local food sources for the decadend pursuit of eating pleasure. And while gluttony nowadays dosn't make much sense as a deadly sin as it did back then, as the difference between a glutton who can hog the precious little food sources of a medieval village and your average obese american is night and day, but sloth especially is such a deceptivly bad characteristic to have.

Having a slow day here and there is no issue. Being lazy on your job can cause real ******* harm. So sure, if you believe that the sheer feeling of sinfulness isnt bad, like being really ******* angry but not acting on it is harmless then yeah, you could do this distinction. But the idea of the deadly sins is those sins being at the root of every evil action.
 
First_Witch said:
So sure, if you believe that the sheer feeling of sinfulness isnt bad, like being really ******* angry but not acting on it is harmless then yeah, you could do this distinction.
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Alr, basically that's basically what I mean. For me it basically didn't made any sense, because feelings themselves aren't always lead to some harmful actions (procrastination, self-control and remorse are the thing) and it kinda annoyed me that basic human emotions are villanized for some reason. Now I see why those things are considered sinful - because of their extreme manifestations, you explained it pretty well
 
Also here are some more unpopular opinions:
1. I liked 2nd season of Helluva boss more than a first one. Not because of Stolitz, but because I physically cringed from most jokes in the 1st one and it was such a relief when those jokes got less noticeable and their amount was decreased, not to mention that Fizzy did some heavy lifting and brought the best episode so far (in my opinion)
2. Honestly I think we should stop just blindly hating some stereotypical "reddit users" or "twitter users" (unless they harm minors or dox someone and etc). Sure, they are bad and annoying most of the time, but I think there is a deeper problem behind them being like that and it needs to be addressed. They are this way for some reasons and we need to at least pay attention to those patterns and what leads them to becoming like this
3. I feel like Capeditz became a media elitist in some form, or at least Cap's audience
4. Bullying is NEVER justified
5. Striker from HB was cringe and I'm glad he was "ruined". In his 1st episode he was just way too OP, he was good at everything, shown no flaws and was extremely arrogant about him being so skillful. That felt like some annoying Mary sue MC, that was written by 13 years old edgelord. His downfall doesn't contradict anything, since he just made a good first impression and made himself look good in the eyes of public, but then his flawed side was revealed and it at least gave some depth to that character (even though it could be done a lot better). Also him losing to Millie and Moxxie isn't an anti-feat either - do these people realize that IMP's could get better over time and get more skilled? Do they realize how unrealistic and absurdly hard to fight 2v1 (even if your opponents are weak af)? Those things should be brought in consideration as well as insane amounts of plot armor some characters have
6. VSBW is overhated by WIS editors, while they barely do any calcs themselves and just hate on those who do them, without being able to disprove them in any ways except saying "VSBW is bad and unreliable". I hope they realize that VSBW despite all it's flaws at least tries to improve their scalings and have such thing as "Content Revision Thread", and that VSBW at least requires some form of evaluation to scale characters to their tiers
7. Empathy isn't always a good thing, some could use their understanding of other to manipulate and harm them, while some people who lack that quality could still be good people and abide the law/some form of morality
8. Pineapple pizza is mid, I don't really hate it and I don't like it either. So I'm just really neutral about it and just prefer something else
 
AppleMaker said:
8. Pineapple pizza is mid, I don't really hate it and I don't like it either. So I'm just really neutral about it and just prefer something else
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I was gonna press you about being a Helluva Boss fan but this may be even worse ngl
 
AppleMaker said:
"Fan". I dropped that show before sinsmas because I got severely exhausted from it, idk if being somewhat neutral about something makes me a "fan" of that thing
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My bad then.
Also Pac-Man CEDX is such a good game but trying to get a specific highscore is so stressful it actually makes me want to put my fist through my computer.
 
Hm.
Should Wonderlab stuff from Project Moon page be deleted since the creator had a hissy fit and deleted it all or something?
 
AppleMaker said:
Also here are some more unpopular opinions:
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And here's another part of it:
  1. It's inhumane and atrocious to condemn/hate real living beings (not necessarily humans) for being stupid or flawed in general. To get my point straight - no living beings are perfect, so just hating someone for having flaws (that aren't involving harming/hating someone, breaking someone's boundaries, purposefully deceiving and scamming others and etc, "intolerance to intolerance" thing y'know) and attacking anyone for it is straight up harmful, despicable, dehumanizing and useless and doesn't do any favors to anyone. Not every flaw is a choice, since genetics and circumstances are a thing, some may be born dumber than others, some may have terrible stamina/attention span/physicals and etc, some may have some personality flaws like lack of willpower/some form of narcissism or arrogance/comfort chasing/many forms of mediocrity and etc. Most of the times "bad" people have those flaws not because "oh yeah, I want to be horrible and destroy humanity by being imperfect", but because it's either way too hard and insufferable to change them (and I can't blame them most of the times), or those things couldn't be changed much (how tf you gonna remove the brain malfunctions without lobotomizing yourself and become productive and appreciated member of society from the get go? Same thing about physicals in some cases). People like boogie2988 (before he started dating those who much younger than him and lied about cancer), wings of redemption and many other "lolcows" are mostly overhated and at least were pretty much harmless people, nitpicking their flaws is absolutely pointless and harmful action, that just increases hatred and intolerance in the society in general. Also one thing I want to mention - you don't have to like everyone and forgiving/glaze anyone's flaws, you just shouldn't support any form of harassment/bullying/attacking of people you dislike (unless that person did those things against you and overall your personal enemy), you have the right to dislike and not befriend people, but you have no right to attack them unless they are attacking anyone else. Nobody is perfect, just keep that in mind
  2. Harmfulness of the action is more evil than selfishness of the action (evilness scaling once again). Yep, I won't deny that if someone cares only about themselves - it could lead to some atrocious actions, but keep in mind that some less egotistical people could commit far worse crimes than so called "sociopaths" (basically my point about empathy once again). If someone commits more harmful crime/more crimes in general - he outclasses someone who did less wile crime/less amounts of crimes, but is more selfish in general/commited more selfish types of crimes, at least in my eyes. Once again - Selfishness is a factor, but I put it below harmfulness and many other factors
  3. AI is preventable and not inevitable. It's more about those who say "ai is the future, you will be left behind if you won't accept it" or something like that. We, as a humanity made some discoveries and inventions that weren't used ever after, because they are either impractical, their usage have lots of morality issues, they are way too dangerous and harmful and etc. Cloning is the first thing that comes to mind about this topic, since while it was discovered/invented - it was prohibited some years later and never was used after that. Same thing could happen to AI at some point
  4. I love debates about building-planetary caharcters more than some op ones (like complex multiversal-boundless). While some debates about op characters could be interesting - it's still could be hard to comprehend for me, since their battles are mostly hax based, which I'm not really familiar with
  5. It feels like FNAF verse is really hard to scale properly. It's always either gets lowballed into oblivion or glazed into oblivion
  6. BoJack the horseman deserves to be on VSBW, we just need to scale him
 
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Also last take for today - I found most aura farming moments hilarious for some reason (maybe because of Zack Snyder memes, idk). They genuinely make me audibly laugh by being so over the top
 
I absolutely despise "indomitable human spirit", when someone thinks like this unironically. That's straight up No limits fallacy, but for real life, for real people. Do I need to say that a lot of humans have things like: procrastination, laziness, depression, suicidal thoughts, addictions and etc? Basically things that literally shatters any will to live, things that very few actually overcomes and not succumbs to them. No one's willpower is unbreakable, if some mental illness just appears out of nowhere and decides to twist anyone's brain - they are screwed. The ability to resist those things are actually linked to it's severity and effects (don't forget that "aboulia" is a thing, and it literally disables the willpower entirely), and not always the sheer willpower. You can't resist and overcome dementia - you will lose memory anyways, you can't fully resist schizophrenia - you'll have to take your meds and hope that it won't get worse, in some cases even depression could become irresistible and person would commit suicide just because of it, and not because he lacks willpower and didn't try to do something about it.

I think we should know that we are humans, we have flaws, we should acknowledge them and don't blame each other for them (when it's possible). "Indomitable human spirit" belief is really harmful in my opinion and just undermines the empathy and acceptance of each other. It just makes us blind to our problems, could lead to victim blaming, could lead to complete ignorance about mental health and struggles of each other and etc. It's completely unrealistic, harmful and denies our nature, as the living beings
 
AppleMaker said:
I feel like Capeditz became a media elitist in some form, or at least Cap's audience
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Anytime he is mentioned I get flashlighted, bruh. Anyways, it reminds I should read Blood Meridian
AppleMaker said:
Harmfulness of the action is more evil than selfishness of the action (evilness scaling once again).
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I won't call it unpopular opinion. Most moral frameworks still put a lot of weight in consequences of your actions (even deontological ones)
 
Qurbonboev said:
I won't call it unpopular opinion. Most moral frameworks still put a lot of weight in consequences of your actions (even deontological ones)
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Even though it's subjective - I've seen a lot of people who hates someone mostly because of being selfish and not because of how much harm they caused. So i thought it's pretty common occurrence when someone hates selfishness of the act rather than act itself or the harm it have caused
 
AppleMaker said:
I absolutely despise "indomitable human spirit", when someone thinks like this unironically. That's straight up No limits fallacy, but for real life, for real people. Do I need to say that a lot of humans have things like: procrastination, laziness, depression, suicidal thoughts, addictions and etc? Basically things that literally shatters any will to live, things that very few actually overcomes and not succumbs to them. No one's willpower is unbreakable, if some mental illness just appears out of nowhere and decides to twist anyone's brain - they are screwed. The ability to resist those things are actually linked to it's severity and effects (don't forget that "aboulia" is a thing, and it literally disables the willpower entirely), and not always the sheer willpower. You can't resist and overcome dementia - you will lose memory anyways, you can't fully resist schizophrenia - you'll have to take your meds and hope that it won't get worse, in some cases even depression could become irresistible and person would commit suicide just because of it, and not because he lacks willpower and didn't try to do something about it.

I think we should know that we are humans, we have flaws, we should acknowledge them and don't blame each other for them (when it's possible). "Indomitable human spirit" belief is really harmful in my opinion and just undermines the empathy and acceptance of each other. It just makes us blind to our problems, could lead to victim blaming, could lead to complete ignorance about mental health and struggles of each other and etc. It's completely unrealistic, harmful and denies our nature, as the living beings
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Indomitable human spirit is used as a way to say adrenaline most of time tho
 
I absolutely hate, that we literally have no proof that everyone is born consensually. I absolutely hate life in general because of it's struggles, difficulties and inconveniences. Life itself is absolutely horrible, unless you was lucky enough to born in wealthy and supportive family, in adequate society that doesn't hate you for existence and have no severe mental/physical conditions (which obviously not the case for me in most parts), and knowing this - it's kinda horrifies me how many people might regret that they are even came to the world and can't leave it for lots of reasons, how egotistical and inhumane to subject any living beings to such horrendous torment and suffering. What makes life somewhat good or at least bearable - other people, their inventions, their support, their discoveries and etc. We wouldn't have that many enjoyable things, if other people didn't create them. IMO we shouldn't justify or straight up glaze those difficulties and challenges, since those things are literally driving insane lots of people right now, most of us didn't even consent to have those things and we are forced to encounter them, and it doesn't matter if they "make us stronger" or "needed for self-improvement" - it should be anyone's decision to putting themselves through challenges, and not be forced onto them. It's a right, not obligation to chase goals, improve themselves, challenge themselves and do many other things, we are subjected to against our will. That's what makes flaw nitpicking and bullying even more inhumane - we are already suffering in one form or another, and some people think it's justified to hate and annoy someone for their flaws

I absolutely hate my parents because I'm alive, and have to hide that because they aren't bad people like at all, they tried their best, but I just want to kill myself after every smallest inconvenience that happened though all my life, and every year that desire only grows stronger because I never really recover after every small annoyance, nuisance, exposure to some horrible things and things I'm not in control with, but have to take responsibility for. I didn't consent to be born, I didn't consent to any amounts of struggles and difficulties, but it pushed onto me by circumstances, other people, life itself and etc. I feel like a was betrayed and lied to by everyone, because I always was told how valuable the life is, how good it would be and etc, while throughout the years I only grew more hatred and despise towards it and always had really weak willpower and was picked on because of it, I was literally hated for things I was forcefully born with and probably can't even change. I was constantly forced to do things "for my own good", but I'm just flawed, every time I'm trying to fix those things - I severely harm myself mentally, because every even slight difficulty, challenge, inconvenience, annoyance and etc just slowly gets me closer to suicide or descent into madness. To make matters worse - I was born male (I don't have dysphoria, just gender stereotypes are somewhat strong in my country that I can't leave currently) and had to face more difficulties, than I could otherwise. I was hated by lots of people so much because I can't meet their expectations on how man would act and behave, I was always blamed for everything, I have to struggle way more than I could, just for society to somewhat accept me (basically just hate me less). I've just so done with all that crap, and still alive because of my addictions, duty to support my family (they also struggle really hard in that hell of a life), powerscaling and fear of pain in the process of death
 
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