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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Phsccarvalho said:
Vader surpass Sidious?

I mean, only if you're talking about RotS Sidious, if you consider that RotS Anakin is close in power before he turned to the dark side (a statement from Sidious himself), and then the guy becomes stronger with the dark side and over time like Darth Vader, and at some point along the continuum, he must have surpassed this RotS version of Sidious.
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That's pretty much what I'm saying, yeah
Saw how Post Rebels Vader is right next?

Hasty12345 said:
@noninho I don’t about the infinite expanded media books and resources, but the movie shows is Anakin >> Obi less than 5 minutes into RotS and shows us Sith Anakin lost his Sith eyes when Padme showed up showing us he was conflicted on Mustafar against Obi.

It’s very clear what the movies intent was. Obi is not a match for Anakin.

There’s also the fact Obi is clearly the rock to Anakins scissors match up wise. Under normal circumstances they’re not close.
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You're quite contradicting yourself

Yeah, Ani was not 100% fine, but it was also true for Obi-Wan who was doing 1919382 things too and was emotionally compromised too.
How can someone be "a scissors to a rock" and "not be close under normal circumstances"??
What has the eyes to do with "being presented as >> in 5min of the movie"??

The parts I could understand I heavily disagree, may I ask you to re-elaborate?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Add Maul surviving being cut in half and the other feat to Immortality type 2.
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- Star Wars - The Complete Visual Dictionary - New Edition
 
noninho said:
That's pretty much what I'm saying, yeah
Saw how Post Rebels Vader is right next?


You're quite contradicting yourself

Yeah, Ani was not 100% fine, but it was also true for Obi-Wan who was doing 1919382 things too and was emotionally compromised too.
How can someone be "a scissors to a rock" and "not be close under normal circumstances"??
What has the eyes to do with "being presented as >> in 5min of the movie"??

The parts I could understand I heavily disagree, may I ask you to re-elaborate?
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I think it’s self explanatory and I’m not contradicting myself.

the start of the movie makes it clear Anakin surpassed Obi Wan in the clone wars. This shouldn’t be up for debate.

Anakin was conflicted at the time of Mustafar. This shouldn’t be up for debate neither since he didn’t have his Sith eyes.

Obi Wan has no signs of being conflicted during the fight itself, in fact as he draws his saber he is resolved of his prior reservations upon seeing and talking to Anakin.

The matchup stuff comes from the Obi show where we see Obi Wan knows Anakin so well he can make up for their gap in power. It doesn’t mean they’re close in stats or skill, it means Obi Wan can take advantage of knowing Anakin better than most, it wouldn’t correspond to scaling.

Even if you could prove Obi Wan was conflicted, so was Anakin. That doesn’t score in favour of either of them as we know, again from their fight against Dooku, Anakin is far beyond Obi Wan, which just proves Anakin was nerfed far more than Obi Wan was.
 
DaReaperMan said:
isnt Papa Palps just upscaling from a Vitiate who Revan at his peak would have beat to the point he hid specifically to keep away from him?

TBH just invite me at this point, I've already reworked Marr, it's not like I've been sitting here flapping my jaw the entire time

Lmfao
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What's your tag @DaReaperMan
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Anakin wasn't conflicted. It's literally stated several times that he was completely dominated by rage and the dark side. The eyes have nothing to do with conflict or diminished power.

It is even said that Anakin was infused with the frenetic strength of his emotions.

Furthermore, their knowledge of each other is equal.
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None of this is present or implied in the movie itself. I said in my first comment I was considering only the movie.

A Sith channeling their full rage and dark side and not having Sith eyes is stupid and goes against what we saw in the film itself IMO.

Edit: his Sith eyes even returned when he declared his hatred after his loss. I think the original intent of the movie is clear.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If there are such badass Siths in the Old Republic of Legends, how were they defeated?
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Mostly through plot or in-fighting. The few Jedi that stacked up to them also sometimes had huge specific abilities that worked in their favor like Meetra being Nihilus' hard counter along with just being strong in her own right.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If there are such badass Siths in the Old Republic of Legends, how were they defeated?
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Revan self-destructed after being beaten down for a bit by like, every other strong force sensitive ATT

Valkorion purposely got himself backshotted by the PC after he backshotted Marr

Nihilus was nerfed to hell and back and banished into his mask

Sion was convinced to die
 
Hasty12345 said:
None of this is present or implied in the movie itself. I said in my first comment I was considering only the movie.
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Yeah and that's how you're unfortunately and unadvertedly obtaining not all the context, cuz there is more to the canon than the movie
i was wrong too cuz i really thought that they were both out of their balance, but Carvalho sources the most impressive stuff you could ever hear about star wars
 
Any other thing about the scaling chain?
I intend on adapting the text and putting this on the verse page, so if nothing else is said, i will be including the minor characters, then 7-9
 
noninho said:
Any other thing about the scaling chain?
I intend on adapting the text and putting this on the verse page, so if nothing else is said, i will be including the minor characters, then 7-9
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You need a crt for this and put scans and bows for the scale justifications.
 
Y'all do you guys think this debunk is good or smth.?
comicvine.gamespot.com

Debunking Yoda's Mountain Feat - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

What the title says, I'm going to attempt to debunk the Mountain Feat Yoda has in Disney's Canon. A lot of context and specifics seem to get ignored o
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Because if not, this High 7-C would be applicable to Yoda as well
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Star Wars - Giants of Living Stone

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I have big reading comprehension so uh Issue 26 to 29 since these are the important issues for this specific feat.
https://***************.li/Comic/Star-Wars-2015/Issue-26?id=99423

dammit link isn't allowed. just type "Yoda's Secret War"
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho I think this might be of any help:

www.mediafire.com

Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded -- Simon Beecroft, Pablo Hidalgo, Amy Richau, Dan Zehr, -- Updated and expanded edition_ -- 9780744050318 -- 143122c0ce9079df5b76d43a81068477 -- Anna’s

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.
www.mediafire.com
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Very good, but do you have this version?

Generally, for this type of book with more updated versions, it's best to get the most recent one because there may be cases of changed/exchanged information.

I've had problems like that before. But I'll still take a look to see if there are any good things.
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Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded Edition

Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded Edition is a canon reference book focusing on characters in the Star Wars franchise. It was published by Dorling Kindersley on November 30, 2021. The book is an updated edition of the 2019 title Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, New...
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho I think this might be of any help:

www.mediafire.com

Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded -- Simon Beecroft, Pablo Hidalgo, Amy Richau, Dan Zehr, -- Updated and expanded edition_ -- 9780744050318 -- 143122c0ce9079df5b76d43a81068477 -- Anna’s

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.
www.mediafire.com
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Forget it, this is the 2021 version.

You got it right. Thanks a lot, man.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho I think this might be of any help:

www.mediafire.com

Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded -- Simon Beecroft, Pablo Hidalgo, Amy Richau, Dan Zehr, -- Updated and expanded edition_ -- 9780744050318 -- 143122c0ce9079df5b76d43a81068477 -- Anna’s

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.
www.mediafire.com
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I took a look. Fortunately, the things from the 2016 version are here.

Anyway, my quick glance didn't see anything particularly important about Force Sensitives.

But it's always good to have more books/guides like this.
 
KL0 commented on Class T Vader, but didn't say whether he approved or not. And he didn't respond to my comment.

It won't be long before this is accepted.
 
Joining her powers with Kanan, she reaches out, connecting with Vader

Ahsoka is overcome with pain and fear through the Force, and passes out.
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Here she met two Jedi -- Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger -- and shortly following the encounter, Tano was present during a deadly aerial clash with a mysterious Sith Lord. Ahsoka, reaching out through the Force, connected with the dark side wielder -- a connection that made her lose consciousness.
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More Vader effects on the Force.
 
I realized that in Force Sense, I only talked about its total distance (sensing things at a distance) without specifying exactly what things can be sensed (besides someone's presence and strength).

So I made this compilation.

What do you think?
Force Sense allows the user to perceive their surroundings, detect danger, locate hidden beings or enemies even through barriers, see in complete darkness, anticipate incoming attacks, feel the presence, emotions, and power of others, and even hear distant voices.
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Smaller things, I've basically already shown everything here.
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SWCE: Smaller things.

Hello Force Page Anakin/Darth Vader Another thing I'm going to do is format the references, since I'm now using [] Votes: Agree: (1) @LephyrTheRevanchist Neutral: (0) Disagree: (0)
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